The Ford Barn

GB SISSON · 08-10-2017, 08:54 PM

Artillery type. Got the axle from a place where I was buying a load of salvaged lumber for a project.

59ab · 08-10-2017, 09:30 PM

The wheels look like '36 Chevrolet.

GB SISSON · 08-10-2017, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 59ab

The wheels look like '36 Chevrolet.

5 lug. Looked a lot like ford 5 on 5 1/2 but I didn't measure them. I thought chevs were always 6 lug. Oh rats....

sawzall · 08-10-2017, 09:53 PM

chevys are 6 lug.. until at least 48 in car.. and I think later in truck..

if that was always a trailer axle.. Maybe what you is a mullins trailer axle and the wheels?

TJ · 08-10-2017, 10:32 PM

Back in the 50's I had a complete set of those on a Model A pickup. I think they were made by General Tire.

GB SISSON · 08-10-2017, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TJ

Back in the 50's I had a complete set of those on a Model A pickup. I think they were made by General Tire.

Could they be the jumbos? They feel kind of wide reaching around the rubber. The axle pipe is a piece of galvey water pipe, so not a regular trailer axle. Tomorrow I will find out if they are ford pattern and they are 16" wheels and currently 6.00 x 16s.

deuce lover · 08-11-2017, 12:04 AM

Not Jumbo's.Chrysler also had the same bolt pattern as Ford.

tony starr · 08-11-2017, 06:11 AM

They look similar to a set I used to own that were fitted to a Model A but the cap area looks more raised on the wheels above...

-tony.

PeteVS · 08-11-2017, 03:22 PM

Now you have to build a car to use them and then go out and find another pair to match...

alchemy · 08-11-2017, 03:26 PM

I have one and have had more in the past. Mine had the indent on the mounting surface for the nubs on a pre-36 hub. So you know they were made for old Fords. I guessed they were made by an early aftermarket, but I don't know who.

truckdog62563 · 08-11-2017, 06:14 PM

Gary - I've got a 1935 Kelsey Hayes color advertisement folder, a 1938 color dealer marketing package, and a 1941 color fold out parts listing that show they were aftermarket "change-over" wheels. As the country was coming out of the Great Depression there emerged a market for stylish wheels. It could be that the other primary companies, Budd and Motor Wheel, also offered similar wheels. My records are for K-H. Stu

GB SISSON · 08-11-2017, 09:23 PM

They have 13 'spokes'. The General jumbos have 11 from what I see on google images. I have 2 more similar wheels but they are a funny 5 lug like 5 on 6" but look a lot alike. On another note I just got back from driving the woodie to visit a friend about 3 miles away.

truckdog62563 · 08-12-2017, 08:13 PM

The K-H wheels in my sales materials have 14 spokes. Stu

blucar · 08-14-2017, 12:07 PM

I have encountered similar wheels, we bought five wheels from a junk yard in Idaho that were very similar, with a 5 on 5.5 bolt pattern, which is Ford and Mopar. A lot of research turned up a listing for Motor Rim during the mid thirties, the brochure called the rims "Sun Burst", they were an original orange color with faint pin stripping on the spokes, rim was 15x6.5.. My friend put them on his RAT Rod.
I think the style of the wheel indicts that they were intended for large cars, Chrysler, etc. and or pickups/station wagons..
Several years ago I had a '36 International 1/2 ton that had similar wheels.

Jason in TX · 05-24-2018, 11:56 PM

Those are Kelsey hayes Sunburst accessory wheels for fords. There may have been chrome under the black paint.

PeteVS · 05-25-2018, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GB SISSON

They have 13 'spokes'. The General jumbos have 11 from what I see on google images. I have 2 more similar wheels but they are a funny 5 lug like 5 on 6" but look a lot alike. On another note I just got back from driving the woodie to visit a friend about 3 miles away.

Go back and count them again. I count 7 on the top half which makes 14 total.

GB SISSON · 05-26-2018, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteVS

Go back and count them again. I count 7 on the top half which makes 14 total.

You win on the recount, Pete! I just counted 14 spokes. Now I just need 2 more! Or I put them on my old box trailer.

apba12m · 05-26-2018, 08:01 PM

My 16" general jumbos have 9 spokes

Lawson Cox · 05-27-2018, 12:08 AM

The much sought after "bent spoke KH wheels have 14 spokes. Each long spoke crosses two others. Motor wheel is easily mistaken for KH but each long spoke only crosses one other long spoke. Close, but no cigar.

08-10-2017, 09:30 PM	#2
59ab Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Huntsville,Alabama Posts: 247	Re: What are these wheels? The wheels look like '36 Chevrolet.

08-10-2017, 09:53 PM	#4
sawzall Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 420	Re: What are these wheels? chevys are 6 lug.. until at least 48 in car.. and I think later in truck.. if that was always a trailer axle.. Maybe what you is a mullins trailer axle and the wheels? __________________ Pennsylvania has two seasons. Hershey week, and everything else https://sites.google.com/site/eastcoastwoodies/

08-10-2017, 10:32 PM	#5
TJ Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Napa,California Posts: 6,037	Re: What are these wheels? Back in the 50's I had a complete set of those on a Model A pickup. I think they were made by General Tire.

08-11-2017, 12:04 AM	#7
deuce lover Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern France Posts: 5,306	Re: What are these wheels? Not Jumbo's.Chrysler also had the same bolt pattern as Ford.

08-11-2017, 06:11 AM	#8
tony starr Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: melb, aus Posts: 141	Re: What are these wheels? They look similar to a set I used to own that were fitted to a Model A but the cap area looks more raised on the wheels above... -tony. __________________ tony-starr.com

08-11-2017, 03:22 PM	#9
PeteVS Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: FP, NJ Posts: 2,770	Re: What are these wheels? Now you have to build a car to use them and then go out and find another pair to match... __________________ Don't never get rid of nuthin!

08-11-2017, 03:26 PM	#10
alchemy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: middle of Iowa Posts: 647	Re: What are these wheels? I have one and have had more in the past. Mine had the indent on the mounting surface for the nubs on a pre-36 hub. So you know they were made for old Fords. I guessed they were made by an early aftermarket, but I don't know who.

08-11-2017, 06:14 PM	#11
truckdog62563 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rochester, Il Posts: 599	Re: What are these wheels? Gary - I've got a 1935 Kelsey Hayes color advertisement folder, a 1938 color dealer marketing package, and a 1941 color fold out parts listing that show they were aftermarket "change-over" wheels. As the country was coming out of the Great Depression there emerged a market for stylish wheels. It could be that the other primary companies, Budd and Motor Wheel, also offered similar wheels. My records are for K-H. Stu __________________ Stu McMillan Marmon-Herringtons

08-11-2017, 09:23 PM	#12
GB SISSON Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Orcas Island Washington Posts: 4,930	Re: What are these wheels? They have 13 'spokes'. The General jumbos have 11 from what I see on google images. I have 2 more similar wheels but they are a funny 5 lug like 5 on 6" but look a lot alike. On another note I just got back from driving the woodie to visit a friend about 3 miles away. __________________ Owner/Operator of 'Jailbar Ranch' on the side of Mt. Pickett. Current stable consists of 1946 1/2 ton pickup turned woodie wagon with FH V8, 1947 Tonner Pickup (red) mostly stock with exception of a cummins 6at turbo diesel, 1946 Tonner Pickup (green) with 226 cu in 6 cyl flathead, 1979 Toyota landcruiser wagon, completely encased in 1947 Ford Jailbar sheet metal. Ok, cornbinder rear fenders..... 'Rusty ol' floorboards, hot on their feet' (Alan Jackson)

08-12-2017, 08:13 PM	#13
truckdog62563 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rochester, Il Posts: 599	Re: What are these wheels? The K-H wheels in my sales materials have 14 spokes. Stu __________________ Stu McMillan Marmon-Herringtons

08-14-2017, 12:07 PM	#14
blucar Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Ventura, CA Posts: 2,464	Re: What are these wheels? I have encountered similar wheels, we bought five wheels from a junk yard in Idaho that were very similar, with a 5 on 5.5 bolt pattern, which is Ford and Mopar. A lot of research turned up a listing for Motor Rim during the mid thirties, the brochure called the rims "Sun Burst", they were an original orange color with faint pin stripping on the spokes, rim was 15x6.5.. My friend put them on his RAT Rod. I think the style of the wheel indicts that they were intended for large cars, Chrysler, etc. and or pickups/station wagons.. Several years ago I had a '36 International 1/2 ton that had similar wheels. __________________ Bill.... 36 5 win cpe

05-27-2018, 12:08 AM	#19
Lawson Cox Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Above the gnat line in Georgia Posts: 7,009	Re: What are these wheels? The much sought after "bent spoke KH wheels have 14 spokes. Each long spoke crosses two others. Motor wheel is easily mistaken for KH but each long spoke only crosses one other long spoke. Close, but no cigar. __________________ Life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer to the end, the faster it goes. It is better to be seen, than viewed. "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm".