Go Back   The Ford Barn > General Discussion > Model A (1928-31)

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-08-2016, 05:56 PM   #1
GasWorksGarage
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 157
Default 1929 Condenser

Why would anyone mount a condenser like this?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_20161208_170626335.jpg (46.6 KB, 366 views)
GasWorksGarage is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 06:21 PM   #2
700rpm
Senior Member
 
700rpm's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 5,260
Default Re: 1929 Condenser

Keeps it cooler.
__________________
Ray Horton, Beaver Chapter, MAFCA, Portland, OR


As you go through life, keep your eye on the donut, not the hole.
700rpm is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)
Old 12-08-2016, 07:10 PM   #3
tbirdtbird
BANNED
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: inside your RAM
Posts: 3,134
Default Re: 1929 Condenser

look silly but what Ray said.

I had to do an emergency condenser change on a RR in the middle of a mall for a customer and I did just that for the sake of expediency since he was blocking the lane.

There are posters here, tho, that will tell you this will not work. Ask the RR owner if it works
__________________
'31 180A
tbirdtbird is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 07:25 PM   #4
Gold Digger
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Arkansas & Alaska
Posts: 544
Default Re: 1929 Condenser

I mounted one like that after burning out 3 condensers in the distributer about 30 years ago and it's still there and still starts and runs good. The Autolite waffle stile heater even with a baffle in place didn't keep from melting the condensers. I've read on here that it's not good to run cars this way because of spark not being as good as condenser in the distributer, but if they want run where they're suppose be you got to do what you have to.
Gold Digger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 08:36 PM   #5
Tom Wesenberg
Senior Member
 
Tom Wesenberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Mpls, MN
Posts: 27,415
Default Re: 1929 Condenser

It's that blue crimp terminal that bothers me.
Tom Wesenberg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 09:04 PM   #6
Special Coupe Frank
Senior Member
 
Special Coupe Frank's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Northeast Penna
Posts: 2,108
Default Re: 1929 Condenser

VW used to mount the condenser external from the distributor with their air-cooled engines, if I recall...
Special Coupe Frank is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 09:59 PM   #7
Kevin in NJ
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: South East NJ
Posts: 3,141
Default Re: 1929 Condenser

Yes it works, but...

The reason it is at the distributer is because the added distance away from the points adds resistance between the points and condensor. This allows for more voltage build up and arcing at the points which is what the condensor supposed to prevent. This means a better chance at shorter point life. There are some variables in the system from inductance and capacitance in the longer line. Basically some might work better then others.

Capacitors are tightly wrap tin foil with thin specially coated paper between. The old stuff dried out and did not like the heat. Today we have some capacitors that are happy with the temps and work fine last a long time. They probably cost $.10 more then the common stuff. So if you buy any (including the V8 type) new 'normal' condensor you might get some low bid made in china thing. Mustang people complain about the new name brand ones failing quick.

The secret is to buy the A&L burnout proof condensors and put them in (yes even if you have the V8 plate) and forget about them. Cheap, simple, reliable for years and years. Get a spare to fix the guy in your club too cheep to buy one so you dont have to stop on tour all the time.
__________________
Cabriolet and Technical Hints
Kevin in NJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-08-2016, 10:41 PM   #8
BILL WILLIAMSON
Senior Member
 
BILL WILLIAMSON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: FRESNO, CA
Posts: 12,558
Default Re: 1929 Condenser

A friend had his condenser mounted by the coil on a Toyota, kept burning up points! Moved it back to the distributor & problem SOLVED!
Bill W.
__________________
"THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"
BILL WILLIAMSON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 01:19 AM   #9
jfreddie
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: anchorage, alaska
Posts: 117
Default Re: 1929 Condenser

Couldn't agree more with Kevin in NJ. The short proof condenser is the best answer...plainly identified by three spot weld points on the end. Can even use it with the modern points.
jfreddie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 08:20 AM   #10
Big hammer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Land of Lincoln
Posts: 1,827
Default Re: 1929 Condenser

My A came with a condenser at the coil,why it was there for me? Because of the flat top ottwell heater you have to remove the manifolds to change the condenser or remove the distributor. I changed the condenser with the best one available at that time. I think it was called a burn proof condener, maybe an A&L? this was in the late 70's
Big hammer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 02:19 PM   #11
GasWorksGarage
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 157
Default Re: 1929 Condenser

I am going to put it back in the distributor and replace with a burn proof.
GasWorksGarage is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 03:06 PM   #12
700rpm
Senior Member
 
700rpm's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 5,260
Default Re: 1929 Condenser

Good call.
__________________
Ray Horton, Beaver Chapter, MAFCA, Portland, OR


As you go through life, keep your eye on the donut, not the hole.
700rpm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2016, 11:19 PM   #13
Flathead
Senior Member
 
Flathead's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Southern Maine
Posts: 1,033
Default Re: 1929 Condenser

The A & L condenser and V8 points has worked perfectly for me. A quality set of original points would be OK also. The A & L "burn-out proof" condenser can be trusted.
Flathead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2016, 04:25 PM   #14
mantta
Senior Member
 
mantta's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Keweenaw Bay, MI (Michigan's Upper Peninsula)
Posts: 218
Default Re: 1929 Condenser

It was probably put in the distributer for theft protection. An external one would make hotwiring very easy.
mantta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2016, 05:25 PM   #15
Tom Wesenberg
Senior Member
 
Tom Wesenberg's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Mpls, MN
Posts: 27,415
Default Re: 1929 Condenser

When the condenser is moved to the coil, then if it happens to have a short (no matter how minor) it will drain the battery. Remember, the coil has voltage at all times, and the ignition switch ungrounds the points and connects to coil ground side, when it's switched ON.
Tom Wesenberg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2016, 06:47 PM   #16
jfreddie
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: anchorage, alaska
Posts: 117
Default Re: 1929 Condenser

Good point!
jfreddie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2019, 09:04 AM   #17
djuby1
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 9
Default Re: 1929 Condenser

A L burn proof condensor was mention in several replies. Where can these be found for purchase. Didnít have any luck searching on the web for them.
djuby1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2019, 09:22 AM   #18
ryanheacox
Senior Member
 
ryanheacox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Northwest CT
Posts: 571
Default Re: 1929 Condenser

They don't have a website, just a phone number, (860) 693-0112. I think most of the vendors carry their condenser if it is advertised as burnout proof.
ryanheacox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2019, 04:27 PM   #19
john in illinois
Senior Member
 
john in illinois's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Illinois
Posts: 1,850
Default Re: 1929 Condenser

Quote:
Originally Posted by jfreddie View Post
Couldn't agree more with Kevin in NJ. The short proof condenser is the best answer...plainly identified by three spot weld points on the end. Can even use it with the modern points.
I did not know about use with modern points. Thanks.

John
__________________
Welcome each day
john in illinois is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2019, 09:33 PM   #20
Purdy Swoft
Senior Member
 
Purdy Swoft's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alabama
Posts: 7,326
Default Re: 1929 Condenser

I have run the condenser connected to the coil on one of my model A's for over twelve years with no problems . Anybody can believe whatever that they want . The cheap China made condenser that many model A venders sell won't last very long no matter where they are mounted . I learned about mounting the condenser in this manner fifty six years ago and it has worked well for me on several model A's
Purdy Swoft is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:57 PM.