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FrankWest · 06-12-2015, 02:07 PM

I noticed that my rubber fuel line to fuel pump hose is slashed close to the fuel pump connection. Looks like the rubber just gave out. Attachyed is a photo of this connection. I check with MAC's and they call out tyhe hose as a rubber fuel line to pump hose? Is this hose supposed to be rubber?
I noticed in the photo that DavidG posted I see a rubber hose with steel interior hose? Can't see it to good. But anyway what should I be using here?

ford38v8 · 06-12-2015, 02:17 PM

Frank, You need the fuel hose supplied by Robert Shewman. He advertises in the V8 Times.He offers two styles, the regular is $28, and the one with a check valve is $38. In my opinion, save the extra $10 and get the one without the check valve.

Edit: By the way, Frank, it's a wonder that hose hasn't failed till now, the way it is over-bent. I'm not familiar with the 4 bangers, but it looks like your fuel line from the tank is out of position causing this issue.

DavidG · 06-12-2015, 03:31 PM

Alan,

He now has the correct line running from the fuel pump to the carburetor, so that isn't what caused or would cause the need for the 270 degree bend in the flex line. In other words, he has the correct relationship between the fuel pump and the carburetor.

The cause of that extreme bend in the flex line is twofold. First, the line from the gas tank is too long. Secondly, it is supposed to run down inside the lower lip of the frame rail and is held down by a clip attached to the lower frame rail, not up in the air and half way into the space between the inside of the frame rail and the engine block as indicated in his photo. A comparison of his photo above and that which he refers to that I posted on one of his related threads clearly indicates that.

As I recall, the Shewman flex line that you refer to is for a V-8, which means that it is shorter than an original Model B line and lacks the copper-plated steel section of a B line as shown in my photo. That rigid portion of the line has a 45 degree bend in it which means that the flexible portion has very little bend in it when installed in the right location with the right length of line coming from the fuel tank.

ford38v8 · 06-12-2015, 05:07 PM

Thank you, David. Learn something every day. Could you please repost or direct me to the picture you refer to as being correct?

JSeery · 06-12-2015, 05:19 PM

Earlier photo of Dave's.

Lawson Cox · 06-12-2015, 10:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidG

Alan,

He now has the correct line running from the fuel pump to the carburetor, so that isn't what caused or would cause the need for the 270 degree bend in the flex line. In other words, he has the correct relationship between the fuel pump and the carburetor.

The cause of that extreme bend in the flex line is twofold. First, the line from the gas tank is too long. Secondly, it is supposed to run down inside the lower lip of the frame rail and is held down by a clip attached to the lower frame rail, not up in the air and half way into the space between the inside of the frame rail and the engine block as indicated in his photo. A comparison of his photo above and that which he refers to that I posted on one of his related threads clearly indicates that.

As I recall, the Shewman flex line that you refer to is for a V-8, which means that it is shorter than an original Model B line and lacks the copper-plated steel section of a B line as shown in my photo. That rigid portion of the line has a 45 degree bend in it which means that the flexible portion has very little bend in it when installed in the right location with the right length of line coming from the fuel tank.

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For what it's worth. Shewman can make the flex hose any length you need it.

39portlander · 06-13-2015, 08:11 AM

I've been "Hosed" for a few years now....and I love it

. Scott

G.M. · 06-13-2015, 10:00 AM

showman makes the 4 cylinder hose like the original. G.M.

ford38v8 · 06-13-2015, 12:06 PM

Is this the same hose as was used on the Model A?

FL&WVMIKE · 06-13-2015, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ford38v8

Is this the same hose as was used on the Model A?

No, the Model "A" is a gravity fed system and uses a solid line from the tank to the carburetor.
MIKE (mikeburch)

Lawson Cox · 06-13-2015, 03:42 PM

What about vibrations between body and engine? Solid tubing??

ford38v8 · 06-13-2015, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawson Cox

What about vibrations between body and engine? Solid tubing??

What he said ^^^

Scott H in Wheaton · 06-13-2015, 05:46 PM

Get the check valve...prevents fuel draining back to the tank and will be easier to start without the fuel pump sucking air trying to draw fuel forward.

FrankWest · 06-15-2015, 04:01 PM

I called Mr Shewman, he said he can make the proper hose with steel tube insert for 40$

He said he has the specs for the right hose for 1933 model B?
I guess the hose I ordered from MAC's is for the v8 and not the model B
So confusing.....I shoulda Had a V8!

JSeery · 06-15-2015, 04:49 PM

No, you should have had a Green Book! No idea how you could possibly work on these cars with out the parts list. It is B 9288-A vs BB 9288-A. B 9288-A is listed for 4 cyl. 32-34. BB 9288-A is 8 cyl. 32-34.

FrankWest · 06-15-2015, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSeery

No, you should have had a Green Book! No idea how you could possibly work on these cars with out the parts list. It is B 9288-A vs BB 9288-A. B 9288-A is listed for 4 cyl. 32-34. BB 9288-A is 8 cyl. 32-34.

excuse me! I guess I should not ask a question on here until consult with my lawyer first. Sorry for bothering you. I will NOT us this site again.

DavidG · 06-15-2015, 08:24 PM

JSeery,

With all due respect, perhaps we should try and stick to the subject at hand. BB-9288 is not simply a '32-'34 V-8 part, but rather one only used on V-8 powered commercial vehicles and trucks with cab mounted fuel tanks. You undoubtedly know that the subject herein is a '33 four banger.

And the very last thing that this gentlemen needs is a Green Book, which only lists service parts available 15 years after the last '33 rolled out of an assembly plant. I'd be the first to admit that '33 only chassis and body parts catalogues are rarer than hens' teeth, but the '34 versions are not rare in original form and available as inexpensive reprints. That's what he needs for starters and I seem to recall him mentioning that he at least had the '34 chassis parts catalogue and the '32-'34 service bulletins.

And as for you, Mr. West, be careful what you wish for. If you think that a V-8 would pose fewer challenges to you than your four-banger, that simply ain't so.

JSeery · 06-15-2015, 08:36 PM

Might be true David, I was just looking up what the Green Book list. Didn't mean to suggest that was all that particular part was used on, that is just one of the listings it was used on. But, or course, you are correct on the Green Book being replacement parts. To me that is not an issue, but I know it is to some totally original restorers. If it was me, I would at least start with the Green Book references, but it is good that you remind us that these are not necessarily original parts. And the further you go back in time the more likely they are to be later replacement parts. So very good point.
Now, if it was me I would determine the correct parts before I purchased them, but if money is not an object guess that is not a concern. It's just a personal thing with me to attempt to research what I need and what is the correct part before I go looking for it.

Scott H in Wheaton · 06-15-2015, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankWest

I will NOT us this site again.

That would be unfortunate, as you really did receive the good information you were asking for.
FordBarn is one of the best sites available to find the help you need. Its easy enough to pass over the answers that don't suit you.
Stick around, you may find it valuable.

DavidG · 06-15-2015, 10:27 PM

I agree completely that time and money are wasted without first doing the homework. Something along the lines of the six Ps.

06-12-2015, 02:17 PM	#2
ford38v8 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 6,635	Re: fuel line to fuel pump hose Frank, You need the fuel hose supplied by Robert Shewman. He advertises in the V8 Times.He offers two styles, the regular is $28, and the one with a check valve is $38. In my opinion, save the extra $10 and get the one without the check valve. Edit: By the way, Frank, it's a wonder that hose hasn't failed till now, the way it is over-bent. I'm not familiar with the 4 bangers, but it looks like your fuel line from the tank is out of position causing this issue. __________________ Alan Last edited by ford38v8; 06-12-2015 at 02:28 PM.

06-12-2015, 03:31 PM	#3
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,094	Re: fuel line to fuel pump hose Alan, He now has the correct line running from the fuel pump to the carburetor, so that isn't what caused or would cause the need for the 270 degree bend in the flex line. In other words, he has the correct relationship between the fuel pump and the carburetor. The cause of that extreme bend in the flex line is twofold. First, the line from the gas tank is too long. Secondly, it is supposed to run down inside the lower lip of the frame rail and is held down by a clip attached to the lower frame rail, not up in the air and half way into the space between the inside of the frame rail and the engine block as indicated in his photo. A comparison of his photo above and that which he refers to that I posted on one of his related threads clearly indicates that. As I recall, the Shewman flex line that you refer to is for a V-8, which means that it is shorter than an original Model B line and lacks the copper-plated steel section of a B line as shown in my photo. That rigid portion of the line has a 45 degree bend in it which means that the flexible portion has very little bend in it when installed in the right location with the right length of line coming from the fuel tank.

06-12-2015, 05:07 PM	#4
ford38v8 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 6,635	Re: fuel line to fuel pump hose Thank you, David. Learn something every day. Could you please repost or direct me to the picture you refer to as being correct? __________________ Alan

06-13-2015, 08:11 AM	#7
39portlander Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Suth'N Maine Posts: 1,996	Re: fuel line to fuel pump hose I've been "Hosed" for a few years now....and I love it. Scott Last edited by 39portlander; 04-15-2018 at 06:08 PM.

06-13-2015, 10:00 AM	#8
G.M. Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida and Penna. Posts: 4,471	Re: fuel line to fuel pump hose showman makes the 4 cylinder hose like the original. G.M. __________________ www.fordcollector.com

06-13-2015, 12:06 PM	#9
ford38v8 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 6,635	Re: fuel line to fuel pump hose Is this the same hose as was used on the Model A? __________________ Alan

06-13-2015, 03:42 PM	#11
Lawson Cox Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Above the gnat line in Georgia Posts: 7,009	Re: fuel line to fuel pump hose What about vibrations between body and engine? Solid tubing?? __________________ Life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer to the end, the faster it goes. It is better to be seen, than viewed. "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm".

06-13-2015, 05:46 PM	#13
Scott H in Wheaton Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Wheaton, IL near Chicago Posts: 861	Re: fuel line to fuel pump hose Get the check valve...prevents fuel draining back to the tank and will be easier to start without the fuel pump sucking air trying to draw fuel forward.

06-15-2015, 04:01 PM	#14
FrankWest Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 3,005	Re: fuel line to fuel pump hose I called Mr Shewman, he said he can make the proper hose with steel tube insert for 40$ He said he has the specs for the right hose for 1933 model B? I guess the hose I ordered from MAC's is for the v8 and not the model B So confusing.....I shoulda Had a V8!

06-15-2015, 04:49 PM	#15
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: fuel line to fuel pump hose No, you should have had a Green Book! No idea how you could possibly work on these cars with out the parts list. It is B 9288-A vs BB 9288-A. B 9288-A is listed for 4 cyl. 32-34. BB 9288-A is 8 cyl. 32-34.

06-15-2015, 08:24 PM	#17
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,094	Re: fuel line to fuel pump hose JSeery, With all due respect, perhaps we should try and stick to the subject at hand. BB-9288 is not simply a '32-'34 V-8 part, but rather one only used on V-8 powered commercial vehicles and trucks with cab mounted fuel tanks. You undoubtedly know that the subject herein is a '33 four banger. And the very last thing that this gentlemen needs is a Green Book, which only lists service parts available 15 years after the last '33 rolled out of an assembly plant. I'd be the first to admit that '33 only chassis and body parts catalogues are rarer than hens' teeth, but the '34 versions are not rare in original form and available as inexpensive reprints. That's what he needs for starters and I seem to recall him mentioning that he at least had the '34 chassis parts catalogue and the '32-'34 service bulletins. And as for you, Mr. West, be careful what you wish for. If you think that a V-8 would pose fewer challenges to you than your four-banger, that simply ain't so.

06-15-2015, 08:36 PM	#18
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: fuel line to fuel pump hose Might be true David, I was just looking up what the Green Book list. Didn't mean to suggest that was all that particular part was used on, that is just one of the listings it was used on. But, or course, you are correct on the Green Book being replacement parts. To me that is not an issue, but I know it is to some totally original restorers. If it was me, I would at least start with the Green Book references, but it is good that you remind us that these are not necessarily original parts. And the further you go back in time the more likely they are to be later replacement parts. So very good point. Now, if it was me I would determine the correct parts before I purchased them, but if money is not an object guess that is not a concern. It's just a personal thing with me to attempt to research what I need and what is the correct part before I go looking for it.

06-15-2015, 10:27 PM	#20
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,094	Re: fuel line to fuel pump hose I agree completely that time and money are wasted without first doing the homework. Something along the lines of the six Ps.