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Old 11-01-2012, 09:42 AM   #1
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Hi All,

I just bought a 33 Phaeton over here in Sri Lanka.

It is the only known 33 Ford in the country and is Right hand Drive with the flathead 4 cylinder engine.

I have a few questions for now and will have LOTS more later on as I get to know my car...

What were the original wheel and tire sizes for the 33 Phaetons ?
My car has 16" Ford wire wheels on it. Possibly someone has fitted them later on if they are not the correct size.

Next question is how should one operate the starter ?
I have seen lots of YouTube videos where on Left Hand Drive cars, you push a knob which pushes the switch on the starter (which is also on the Left side of the engine.)

I have seen photos of starters with PULL switches on the web... my car has one of these and it has been connected to a cable which is on the dash. Pull to start... is this wrong ?

if it should have a push to start foot knob, should it still be on the left side... meaning on the passengers foot well ? does the driver have to reach all the way to the other side by foot to press it ? ... or was there a rod and lever system bringing the foot knob to the drivers (right hand) side ?

Attached are a few photos of my car... it has been very badly restored by the previous owner and I plan on doing a ground up restoration to put every thing right so I am gathering knowledge right now
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:53 AM   #2
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what a great car. I can't help you with your questions but it seems odd that the starter button/knob would be on the opposite side from the steering wheel. Do you know the country of manufacture? Again, I love the lines of your car. Good luck.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:56 AM   #3
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Thanks for the compliments...

I have no idea what the country of manufacture is.

Until you asked the question, I assumed it was made in the USA.
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:05 AM   #4
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Correct wheel size for 33-34 is 17".
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Old 11-01-2012, 10:08 AM   #5
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Thank you for that... so even a Right Hand Drive, 4 cylinder car would have been fitted with 17's ? I guess someone fitted 1935 Ford wheels on it ?!

This is not an Australian bodied car coz those had 4 door hinges for the 2 doors on one side and this has the American style "shared" door hinge set up
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Great car. Good for you.
Let's talk about the starter. Of coarse, I am not familar with a right hand drive 4 cylinder set up. I did have a '33 V8. The starter was activated by a button on the floor, much like a Model A. It was located in the area of the accelerator pedal and brake pedal. It was simple rod / bolt with a button type head. The starter switch was attached on the starter motor. By pushing the Button/rod with your foot it would engage the starter switch.
I would guess the 4 cylindar cars were the same.

The '32 4 cylinder cars had a knob located in the column drop. By pulling this button it would move a cable that was attached to the starter switch.

Please note: The switch on the starter is where the Battery cable attaches. The other circuits are terminated here. There are after market FUSE that should be installed on the starter switch. This protects the other circuits. Very important !

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Old 11-01-2012, 11:23 AM   #7
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:51 PM   #8
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Most right hand drive Ford cars were made in Canada then shipped in knock down form. Many final touches were performed by the country of final destination. Australian cars had a lot of different characteristics depending on what body style they were entended to be. Ford did have an assembly plant in India. I would think that the Indian cars could have had there own treatments during final assembly but would have no idea of the differences.
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Old 11-01-2012, 12:55 PM   #9
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Thanks for your input so far guys... much appreciated !!

That shopping list for books is most welcome !! was wondering what books to buy to better educate my self on this car and its parts.
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Paint reference here:

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Thats very helpful and interesting ! Thank you !!
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:22 PM   #12
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If the car was sold new in Ceylon, it likely was manufactured in Canada given that Ceylon was part of the British Commonwealth (of which Ford of Canada held the marketing rights except in the British Isles and Ireland) via Ford of India (also a Ford of Canada subsidiary at that time). Its sourcing had nothing to do with whether it was LHD or RHD and while the records of such information are long lost, Ford U.S. likely produced at least as many if not more RHD vehicles than did Ford of Canada as Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, Japan, and Sweden (all RHD countries at the time) were served by the U.S. parent company.

In any event, the engine number on the flywheel housing and frame rail adjacent to the firewall will likely begin with the letter 'C', indicating Canadian sourcing.
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:24 PM   #13
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The starter like the pick up 4 would be a cable nearest the driver .In the case of the US dash on the left ,were a right hand drive one it would be on the right as the picture ,the starter buttion is about like the Model A .picture but it would take a cable .Since the British had a influence in India and Sri lanker it could be from Dagnham UK .
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:25 PM   #14
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Serial number is B5251035
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:29 PM   #15
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Thanks for that FlatheadTed... my car has the 33/34 dash. According to what I have seen from the American cars (mine is most probably an American car) they should have just 2 pulls in the center section of the dash. One for Choke and the other for Throttle.

Question is... on a Right Hand Drive 33/34 ford, how did they work the starter switch ? ... still kept the foot press ? or had a cable pull type ?
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I think its a pull cable deal like a 32 or pick up 4 .Dave G should know .you see the gismo thats fits on the starter (pict)
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:45 PM   #17
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Yes Ted... saw that pic.. Here is a pic showing my starter and cable. I was just wondering if my set up was correct for my car or someone had changed things... (lots of things have been changed on my car including having 16" 1935 Ford wire wheels)
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For serial number ID see the following:
http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/ABenginenumbers.htm

Looks as if it was manufactured in December 1933

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Old 11-01-2012, 02:53 PM   #19
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Thanks for that Capn John. I had come across that before... It appears my car is a December 1933 car.

It does have the chrome trim around the instrument panel and curved hood louvers
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The starter cable CJ is correct ,If it was a v8 you would have the floor starter between the pedals you should have the hole there ,I can understand how things could have been changed having been to Sri Lanka and India Your lucky you haven't got a Ambassador or Mahindra motor in it.
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Thanks Ted... oh yeah quite lucky that this car survived to date.

Ok so if the pull start is correct... now we have to figure out where the start pull would have originally been located.

The car still has what I would think is the original steering column drop.... the ignition switch and steering lock are long gone... the drop doesn't seem to have any hole that the starter pull may have been fitted in. So may be the starter pull was also on the dash ?
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Ce Jay How did you come to find the 33 in a far away country .??did you live there ?
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Yes the starter should be like the pickup (picture )
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Lived here all my life Ted ... other than for the few years I was studying overseas.

I also have a 46 Buick 4 door, 58 Buick 4 door riviera and 60 Pontiac 4 door hard top ... as well as some British classics. All bought locally
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This is a pic of a 33 dash just like mine (only mine is Right Hand Drive)
where on this dash would the start cable go ?
The 2 cables shown are stock... choke and throttle
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I would say the starter should be at the Choke position and it would be moved to the farthest from the steering wheel ,Yo u have found a good source of old tin .
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Noo Ted... Classics are VERY difficult to find here now and the few that are around, need total restoration are very very expensive to buy.. specially American classics.
We had a lot of British classics as we were under British rule in years gone by.
Also we are not allowed to import classics and a lot of our good classics were sent out in the past... I paid something like the equivalent of $ 46,000 for this Phaeton and it needs to be stripped to the bone and restored

Back to the starter pull... ok so starter should be the closer to the steering wheel and the choke further.... then where does the throttle pull go ? I have only seen photos of 33/34 dashs having 2 cables choke and throttle. If there should be a 3rd hole for the starter pull... i'm wondering how the 3 holes would have been positioned in the dash
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ceejay,

I had a four-cylinder '34 roadster and the photos that I have of it would show the hole location you are asking about, but I am away from those photos for at least month (I no longer own the car). Perhaps Manuel in Paraguay can assist you in the meantime as he has a RHD '33 sedan that he is restoring (or you can ask him directly via a personal message to "Doctor's Ford" through this web site.)
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Heres a shot of my RHD 33 Phaetons dash ,There are quiet a few extra holes in the dash that I think have been drilled .such as the ones right of the steering wheel .I think this was a v8 but not 100% sure ,maybe some one can verify by the body # .If so the holes would be the same as any 33/ 34 -8
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Thanks for the photo Ted.

There again, once you discount the drilled extra holes, there are only 2 original holes which are above and on either side of the ash tray in the center of the dash.

We still need to figure out where the starter cable would have been or if the starter was indeed operated by cable.
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ceejay,

The two holes on either side of the ash tray (absent from your dash as it is a standard and present on Ted's as it is a deluxe) are for the choke and throttle controls. In the case of a V-8, both these controls were solid rods operating through color-coded rubber grommets in the dash (and through different black grommets where the rods pass through the firewall). In the case of a car with a four-cylinder engine, both the throttle and choke controls were cable operated and the ends of the cables' casings were attached to chrome-plated threaded ferrules that were attached to the dash with large hex nuts and lock washers. You likely know all that already.

Looking at the incomplete set of photos that I have in this computer, I would have to conclude that Ted's dash was originally used with a V-8 engine as none of the extra holes correspond to those in the dash from the four-cylinder RHD roadster that I had. (The problem remains that without my other photos, I cannot ascertain which of its extra holes corresponds to the starter control cable -- its extra holes being different from Ted's dash's extra holes).

I also have a '33 Ford of Canada chassis parts catalogue that lists both LHD and RHD parts, but alas, also not where I'm at.

Given that Ford of Britain produced four-cylinder engines at Dagenham, it is likely that given your engine number your engine was produced there with the rest of the car coming from Canada. That is the same engine sourcing pattern as was the case with operations in Australia at that time (four-cylinder engines from England and V-8s from Canada).

It is likely that your car was assembled in India as Ford of India had a modest assembly plant at that time to assemble KD kits from Canada. (We know that in the case of vehicles destined for Nepal that the those kits were only partially assembled as the pieces were all carried by bearers through the Himalayas and final assembly was performed by the dealer in Katmandu as there were no roads through the mountains at that time.)

Ceylon of course did not pose the same logistical challenge of being landlocked, like Nepal.

I realize that nothing above yet brings an answer to your basic question; sorry about that.

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Old 11-02-2012, 12:37 PM   #33
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David thank you so much for the very informative post !! your efforts are much appreciated !!
I have been inquiring from the "old hands" as to the history of this particular vehicle. As Sri Lanka is a small country and this is apparently the only 33 Ford here, the older generations tend to know the history of these cars from new.

It is said that this car in fact came from the USA as did my Right Hand Drive 46 Buick.

I have a 60 Pontiac, also right hand drive which is a Canadian car.

if only there was someone on here who had a Right Hand drive 33 or 34 Ford of any model... even a V8, it would be interesting to see how the starter was operated on those cars.
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To my knowledge the V8's all had the switch that bolted to the steering box with a rod that protruded through the floor between the brake & clutch pedals.Maybe the boys down under (NZ & Australia)will chime in as there must be a 4cyl there.
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Deuce lover... thanks for your input !

I am very interested to work out this mystery now... the mystery of the method of operating the starter on a RHD car.

All would be well in the case of a LHD V8.. like you say, the rod protruding through the floor and you step on it, it pushes the switch on the starter and there you go !!

now move the steering box, pedals etc to the RIGHT hand side, keep the starter where it is, on the LEFT and you have a mystery ... how did they do it ??

Use the pull cable system or still use a foot press.... if its foot press, was the rod and press knob still on the LEFT hand side of the car or did they move it close to the driver.. if so, how ? .... very interesting
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ceejay,

The Model A (1928-1921) had a rod through the floor that pushed on a switch mounted on the starter. The early '32 4 cylinder had the switch in the same location except it was activated by a pull cable (see first photo). The V8 used a switch (see second photo) that mounted on the steering box (the V8 starter was on the right side). Later 4 cylinder cars in '32 used the same switch as the V8 which was mounted on the steering box. Note that both of the photos are intended to show the switch, ignore other stuff in the photos. My guess, and it is definitely a guess since I have never owned a RHD 4 cylinder car, would be that Ford used the foot operated switch mounted on the steering box.

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ceejay Look at EBAY auctions 330817407337 32-34 V8 starter switch
370679410597 32 4 Cyl starter switch
You will see on the V8 the threads where the rod screw into.Hope this helps.Charlie beat me to it.
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Thanks guys !!

The starter switch set up on my engine at the moment is exactly like Charlie's first photo.

So do we assume that it is the correct set up for my 33 RHD Model B ?? If yes, next question is where would the starter cable go on the dash ?

OR

should my car have the V8 style foot switch ? ... when the later 32 cars used the floor switch, did it use a different starter or the same starter just without any kind of switch attached to it ?

Since someone went to the trouble of fitting 1935 FORD 16" wire wheels to my 33 car, it is quite possible that they also fitted an earlier style pull starter when the original one broke .... which brings me to the question.... could the 16" wheels on my car be correct for it ?? did "export" cars have the option of 16" wheels ?
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My dash photo is a right hand drive as are all my cars ,All 33/34s were 17" wheels no 16" for export
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Oh dear !! This means someone actually went to the trouble of sourcing later 16" Ford wheels and installing them on my 33 !! So they could have. Hanged anything else too.

Does anyone make new wire wheels for the 33/34 Ford ?

Iv seen new wheels almost identical to the stock 33 ford wheel. I think wheelvintiques does them is different sizes.
Is that the closes thing one can get to new wheels ?
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ceejay,

All of the above well-meaning advice is for LHD fours. Your starter switch control is cable operated and the open question remains "where was it located on the dash". When the change was made in late '32 to a foot controlled starter switch for LHD fours, it was NOT made for RHD fours.

I have a '33 four and it has a foot-controlled starter switch, but it's LHD so that's no help.

Have you tried sending a PM to "Doctor's Ford" as suggested earlier?
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All my RHD dashes have had holes (now welded )in the right of the Amp meter
Quot .The starter like the pick up 4 would be a cable nearest the driver .In the case of the US dash on the left ,were a right hand drive one it would be on the right as the picture ,the starter butt ion is about like the Model A .picture but it would take a cable
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Old 11-02-2012, 03:51 PM   #43
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Oh dear !! This means someone actually went to the trouble of sourcing later 16" Ford wheels and installing them on my 33 !! So they could have. Hanged anything else too.

Does anyone make new wire wheels for the 33/34 Ford ?

Iv seen new wheels almost identical to the stock 33 ford wheel. I think wheelvintiques does them is different sizes.
Is that the closes thing one can get to new wheels ?
I don't think anyone reproduces the 17 inch wheels but with all of the cars becoming street rods there is a large supply of good wheels at a reasonable cost in the US. I assume you car would use the same wheel as the US built but THAT IS AN ASSUMPTION AND I AM NOT KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT 1933 LHD CARS. Shipping is another problem. I recently sold to a person from New Zealand. He had a shipping company that collected parts for him in Los Angeles and, I assume, shipped when the container was full. The company he used was Main Freight, the contact he used was Annie Stewart, 562 295-1350. I don't know if this service was based on a personal friendship or it was something they did on a regular basis. From my end everything went great and I wouldn't hesitate to do it again.

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Old 11-02-2012, 04:14 PM   #44
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Charlie ,Main freight do these shipments on a regular bases ,They handled about 10 Model As that came over (Barn Members Frank Gemmal ? )for a tour ,then shipped them back .Air freight would be the way to go .
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Ceejay.
part number for the right hand drive 4 cyl starter switch assy From my right hand drive 28-35 4cyl and v8 cars and trucks parts book. is, 46-11450.switch (starter) assembly 4 cyl 33-34.
I looked for the cable or something but all that seemed to be there was.
46F-11475 control(starter switch) assembly-RHD 33-34
plus 33925-S7 nut
34827 S2 washer.
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:25 PM   #46
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[QUOTE=ceejay;527143]Oh dear !! This means someone actually went to the trouble of sourcing later 16" Ford wheels and installing them on my 33 !! So they could have. Hanged anything else too.


It may well be that the wheels you have are original. Since there is scant evidence to support options, you may wish to enjoy what you have!!!
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Old 11-02-2012, 10:27 PM   #47
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Thank you every one for your input !! much appreciated !!

Ok so the starter cable may have been on the gauge panel part of the dash you reckon ? next to the amp meter... ok I will look for evidence on a welded up hole there.

Oh I ship huge consignments from the USA all the time... I brought down 3/4 of a 58 Buick and 1/2 a 60 Pontiac for my restorations.
I have a really good shipper who send a container to Sri Lanka every month.
I just need to send what ever parts to their NJ address.

The wheels on my car are quite bad. I see some bent spokes and plenty of evidence of the insides on the hubs being very badly corroded before restoration.

This is the first time I saw a wire wheel where the spokes are permanently fixed to both the hub and the outer rim and they have no nipples to tighten the spokes.

Have a look at the attached photo. Isn't that a good option if a set of new wheels ? I know it is not a Exact replica but it is quite close appearance wise isn't it ?

What would the stock 17" wheel sizes have been ?? 17X what width ? what is the bold pattern and what was the back spacing ?

if very good wheels are available used, that may be an option too but tell me what you guys think of these new wheels
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The stock 17" wheel is 3.5" wide I believe.They are available but make sure that whoever you buy them from checks them for being true and no pitting if possible.I helped a fellow in Chile get a set of 16" Kelsey's for his 35 coupe.It took awhile to find 5 good wheels and then I had them sandblasted and primed for him.He was very happy.Fortunately he works for the US Embassy so shipping was simple.
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I have an NZ RHD Parts List for '32 '34 which lists -
Starter Switch- 46F-11475 Control [ starter switch] assembly. This goes with 46F 11450 Starter Switch assembly. The 40 [V8] is listed as ''Rod, Starter Switch Push'', which may mean the RHD 4 is a cable/dash knob.
Your very rare car would have been supplied by Ford Canada to Ford India.
There are some RHD Model 46 '33 phaetons in Australia [ with different Ford Australia bodywork] & others in Argentina which originate from the US.
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Thank you every one for your input !! much appreciated !!

Ok so the starter cable may have been on the gauge panel part of the dash you reckon ? next to the amp meter... ok I will look for evidence on a welded up hole there.

Oh I ship huge consignments from the USA all the time... I brought down 3/4 of a 58 Buick and 1/2 a 60 Pontiac for my restorations.
I have a really good shipper who send a container to Sri Lanka every month.
I just need to send what ever parts to their NJ address.

The wheels on my car are quite bad. I see some bent spokes and plenty of evidence of the insides on the hubs being very badly corroded before restoration.

This is the first time I saw a wire wheel where the spokes are permanently fixed to both the hub and the outer rim and they have no nipples to tighten the spokes.

Have a look at the attached photo. Isn't that a good option if a set of new wheels ? I know it is not a Exact replica but it is quite close appearance wise isn't it ?

What would the stock 17" wheel sizes have been ?? 17X what width ? what is the bold pattern and what was the back spacing ?



if very good wheels are available used, that may be an option too but tell me what you guys think of these new wheels
I don't like them for an otherwise restored car. They just don't look right. You should be able to get VERY nice original wheels for what those cost. I would like to see 16 inch bent spoke Kelsey wheels before those.

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Old 11-03-2012, 06:02 AM   #51
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Ok Charlie... if that's what you guys say then that't the rout I'll take. As long as i can get very very good original wheels, I'll be happy... Since you guy say its a rare and desirable car, I'm very keen to put it absolutely right.
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At least 6 on Epay right now!!! FORD 17" spoke wheels!

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Ok Charlie... if that's what you guys say then that't the rout I'll take. As long as i can get very very good original wheels, I'll be happy... Since you guy say its a rare and desirable car, I'm very keen to put it absolutely right.
That was just my opinion. I hope someone else posts what they think of them. Plus it's your car and the wheels are easy change later if you change your mind.

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CEEJAY Several days ago in your thread on the model A barn,I said that the 33 RHD Fords likely used the starter switch mounted on the steering box.In rethinking that,does your car have the gas pedal centered below the steering column & between the pedals like a RHD model A? If so,the switch mounted on steering box will not work as the button would be under the gas pedal.Im sure the early 32 pull cable starter is the correct one for your car.I would think the pull knob would be in easy reach on the dash.Your engine # makes it a US engine.The 33 CDN B coupe I used to own had an engine & frame #of CBTxxxx.The generator on your car appears to be from a later model vehicle.The ign coil on my 33 was mounted in the center of the angled section of the firewall & the coil faced toword the engine.If you need to rebuild the waterpump,a model A rebuild kit will work,but you will need to shorten the pump shaft & reuse the B impeller.You should always drill the impeller & shaft for a 3/32" roll pin to make sure it doesnt move.
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Old 11-04-2012, 01:41 AM   #55
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Thanks for that columbiA. I think general consensus is that the pull cable starter is correct for this Right hand drive 4 cylinder car.

This car has been converted to 12 Volts. That's why it has been fitted with a later generator and different ignition coil.

They have retained the 6V starter and it cranks the engine like mad when you hit the starter
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