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Old 01-29-2016, 08:04 PM   #1
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Hi Everyone, A cool "running chassis" is coming up this weekend at 2016 Scottsdale. I have no interest in promoting this auction just saw something that was up our alley.

Could this be the one that was on the homepage for a while?

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Event...CHASSIS-185518

Not sure when it comes up.

From the listing: "Henry Ford built and displayed this 1940 Ford Cutaway Chassis to show the wonder of working parts and the new-to-1940 features, such as a manual shift on the column. The cutaway areas show interior details of the all-chromed V8 engine, brakes, transmission, differential and more. It was built for the Ford Pavilion display at the 1939 New York World's Fair, and was shown subsequently at state fairs and dealer showrooms across the U.S. In later years it was used in driver's education departments as an educational aid. One of the elite 40 1940 Fords invited to the Grand National Roadster Show for the 75th Anniversary of the 1940 Ford. Stamped #1. **SOLD ON BILL OF SALE ONLY**"
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Old 01-29-2016, 08:07 PM   #2
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Damn! I'm glad you posted this!
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Hi, I'm watching Friday night on a live broadcast right now and I saw it in the background a few minutes ago.

Here's the discussion thread from the homepage:

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=159647

It is on Saturday's docket, no idea what time of the day right now...

edit to update: looks like about 5pm plus or minus fifteen minutes
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Old 01-29-2016, 08:24 PM   #4
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I'd be very surprised if the auction is shown
on TV. BJ likes to show T&A a lot more.
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Old 01-29-2016, 09:06 PM   #5
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That popped up a couple years ago, maybe on the HAMB. Seems like it was getting sold then or had just been restored, can't remember now.
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I noticed it in a background shot a little while ago myself. So we might as well do a little armchair bidding ourselves! What's the selling price gonna be in the madness that is BJ. Hard to compare it to anything but I'll say $77K based on nothing. What say all Y'all... Bill
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Hi Again, Ray Everingham just did a little drooling over our subject. I predict under the 77k. My pick is 45,999.
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The auction switches from Velocity channel tomorrow,begins on Discovery channel then switches to 281 Velocity. Not as bad as last year when it jumped all over the channels.
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It's lot 1340 but don't know what time it comes up. I think it will break 50k. It would look good beside my Manderin Maroon '40, but alas, only dreaming.
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Wouldn't it be nice if someone bought it and donate it to the Early Ford V8 museum.
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I too think it will break $50K. I was there for the first two days. It depends if the "money" is in the room and those bidding like the item. Case in point two '51 Victoria's. Lot 678 stock $22,500, lot 127 stock appearing resto-mod $35,200.
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I think I'll set my DVR to record the show and that way I can fast-forward through the stuff I could care less about watching which anymore seems to be most of it.
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Hi Everyone, I will actually be surprised if they DON'T show this one being auctioned off. The place it is parked is among some of the premium items. And because Ray Everingham did a bit on it last night, I think makes it a sure-thing that it will be on TV.

One nice thing about watching the auctions, Barrett-Jackson seems to sell a lot more of their cars than Mecum did last weekend. I don't know if BJ is exclusively no-reserve. It makes it a little more entertaining for me. (And by the way, if I were a seller, I don't think I'd ever try a no-reserve auction.)

As mentioned above by 37 Coupe, it's on Discovery from 3pm to 8pm, then goes to Velocity from 8 to 10, and from 10 to 12.

Anyone got an idea of how many lots they go through per hour? That might help pin down when to tune in.
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Doing the math, based on lot numbers my cousin was given for his Tug/Luggage cart that was first to sell on Tuesday (Lot #1) and his '67 Mustang fastback/Shelby clone that sold for $150K on Wednesday night at 8:30 pm CT (Lot #517), and assuming the auction going 10 hours/day, that would be approximately 2 minutes/lot. I would think that would vary depending on whether there was a lot of interest in a lot (more time) or marginal (run it through in about a minute).
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Hi Everyone, alt63bird, Thanks for the help.

I think it's about the 138th lot to go across the block today. If there are 30 cars per hour that makes it about 7:30 ish. If there are 25 cars per hour that makes it about 8:30ish. At any rate it seems to be a part of the Discovery broadcast. (All this based on the auction starting at 3pm, as the broadcast starts then.)

To update something I said earlier, the location of the vehicle is described as "Showcase R-8."

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Wouldn't it be nice if someone bought it and donate it to the Early Ford V8 museum.
Wouldn't that be wonderful? If that happens I guarantee to buy more square feet! At least one more.

I just texted the Early Ford V-8 Foundation Museum and asked if it could be coming their way... The question came back, asking if I'd won the Powerball? The un-named source also said "hope for 70K."
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I think I'll set my DVR to record the show and that way I can fast-forward through the stuff I could care less about watching which anymore seems to be most of it.
That's what I do. Takes me about 20-30mins to go thru 4 hrs of programing. I only stop on th classic Fords anymore. All those high dollar scrubbiest and euro crap bore me.
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Hi Everyone, A little digging and figuring and I put the time about 5:01, but would bracket it plus or minus fifteen minutes.

I found two lots with advertised times, one at 4pm, one at 6:30pm. There are 56 lots to take 150 minutes, and that makes 2.67 minutes per lot.

Our vehicle is 23 after the 4pm “Smokey” Trans Am. 23 times the 2.67 minutes is between 61 and 62.

So add 61 minutes to the 4:00 lot and Bingo! 5:01pm?
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It's 4:55 and the Smokey car hasn't made it to the podium yet.
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HI Everyone, It's 6:11 and they just finished the Smokey Trans Am that was scheduled for 4pm. So about one hour to go as I calculate.
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Looks to me like they already sold it while at commercial. Brought $88K.
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I was watching it online live and it brought $80,000
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I'm confused! The lots have been going thru in relative sequence. The chassis is lot 1340. I watched the numbers come and go they just sold lot 1342.1. Better call security...Bill
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Thanks 35TN. I so wanted to see the commentary watch the action and find out who the winner was. Did anyone notice? SHIT think I'll pour myself a double...Does anyone know to back up the auction camera so we could watch it unfold? My only interest in the whole auction was this piece. Bill
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Well okay, my broadcast seems to be well beyond it also... As usual, I'm confused.
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Who ever won it, it was a phone bidder. All I know is it wasn't me!!
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Wow, Disappointed. Thanks for the reports 35fordtn, otherwise I'd really be out to lunch.
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Whoops I was wrong it did go for $88,000
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Cool, but not $88k cool IMHO.
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Then you have to add the auctioneer's cut.
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Hi Everyone, When someone finds the video please link it for us. I feel like Santa didn't show up!

If the fee is 10% then it's $96,800 plus sales tax and transport.

Edit to add: The above assumption was incorrect, the hammer dropped at 80K then 10% was added, final price $88K
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I believe Mike (1935fordtn) is correct at a price of $80,000 plus the 10% buyers premium equals the Barrett-Jackson listed selling price of $88,000. Auction results are almost always the selling price with the buyers premium.
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If it was loaded on a transporter and left the grounds, no sales tax
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VT. The hammer price was $88K. B-J then takes a percentage from the seller and the buyer. 10% from each.
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OK so now how do we find out where it went? I'm still steamed that we didn't get to see the chassis cross the floor! MRTEXAS was right when he commented that BJ was more about T&A. Burt Reynolds had the stage at the time with some doll.... Bill
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This 1940 Ford Cut-away Chassis seems better buying than the restored 1932 Ford Chassis that was Auctioned last year for over double the price of the 1940 Chassis? I hope that it gets displayed where enthusiasts can view it.
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OK so now how do we find out where it went? I'm still steamed that we didn't get to see the chassis cross the floor! MRTEXAS was right when he commented that BJ was more about T&A. Burt Reynolds had the stage at the time with some doll.... Bill
My gut feeling is that it will end up in the 'EFV8 Foundation' museum....
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Couldn't be happier if it did. That is one great Museum.
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My gut feeling is that it will end up in the 'EFV8 Foundation' museum....
If I could have afforded to buy it that's exactly where it would have gone. That's where is SHOULD be.
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At least it is an authentic factory display chassis, unlike that "alleged" '32 display chassis from last year's auction.

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It may be rare, but each of the presidential candidates should use this as a sign the economy isn't as bad as they say it is. $88K for a display piece is a chunk of change only a select few can spend for a piece of history.

I hope it goes somewhere others can see it, but I still can't understand the price tag associated with this chassis.
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It may be rare, but each of the presidential candidates should use this as a sign the economy isn't as bad as they say it is. $88K for a display piece is a chunk of change only a select few can spend for a piece of history.

I hope it goes somewhere others can see it, but I still can't understand the price tag associated with this chassis.
Think of it as art - supply and demand - hence the price.
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Think of it as art - supply and demand - hence the price.
I guess and I do get the supply and demand thing, but you could buy an awfully nice '40 (convert or woodie) for that price.
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I agree with the art aspect. It is true you could buy a very nice complete car, but there are lots of those about. The chassis has plenty to look at, is immaculately presented and is pretty much a one off. I don't know how much it would cost to prepare one to the same condition. But a repro done today would not be worth as much as this one because the auction one was one of the originals for the world's fair. (or at least it was represented as such).

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From the Barrett-Jackson Website > http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archi...CHASSIS-185518
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