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oldsman41 · 06-30-2010, 08:34 PM

is anyone running the weber carb and manifold they sell at mikes or brattons? if so do you like it? have pictures of it on the engine? iam thinking of new carbs but cant decide which way to go thanks

mrtexas · 06-30-2010, 09:23 PM

I run one. The only difference from a Tilly is that you've got a lot more pedal at 45mph.

Logan · 06-30-2010, 10:01 PM

Ive got one sitting on the engine on the stand, but havent tried it out yet. Everyone i know that has one, LOVES them. No they arent the prettiest thing ever, but they work really good. I bought the reproduction original style exhaust manifold from snyders and both manifolds matched up nicely. Another option that alot of people run is either the cast iron performance manifold or the tube headers. The weber is in my opinion probably the best 2 barrel carb you can put on the model a. It only uses one barrel in the city, or at cruizing speed. Then once you punch it, it opens the second barrel which is significantly larger throat size. So your going to get pretty good gas milage, and you will see a performance up grade.

john in illinois · 07-01-2010, 06:53 AM

I am going to get one. Piranios dyno shows 18% peak hp gain on stock engine.Arizona Model A sells the kit with the carb jetted for the A. He also sells the correct low pressure fuel pump. Phone 480-782-0226

John LaVoy · 07-01-2010, 08:17 AM

We installed our first Weber on a Model A about 7 years ago. We got better gas mileage and performance. In the Fall 2009 issue of the Model A Times we wrote up installing one in the roadster using a 6V fuel pump there are pictures on the installation there. We have one on the sedan that went to Texas a couple of years ago so you can see we are big fans. The last one we bought from Arizona Model A parts 480-782-0226

Purdy Swoft · 07-01-2010, 03:20 PM

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Too complicated for me and I don't like the look. I also figured if it developed problems it would be an expensive throw away. I run dual updrafts on two of my model A's and love it. I have worked on model A carburetors since I was a kid and dual updrafts have the old school look.

V4F · 07-01-2010, 03:24 PM

i would like to trade 2 97's / zepher manifold for one with intake for a header .. thank you .. steve

ChicagoBob · 07-01-2010, 03:36 PM

I tried one, and it did have noticeably more power at high rpm, but I never could figure out how to start the engine quickly, and I didn't like the fuel pump plumbing and wiring. Also, I'd ask how it performs in cold weather without manifold heating.

Chris Haynes · 07-01-2010, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john in illinois

I am going to get one. Piranios dyno shows 18% peak hp gain on stock engine.Arizona Model A sells the kit with the carb jetted for the A. He also sells the correct low pressure fuel pump. Phone 480-782-0226

So it made 47.2 HP on the dyno?

john in illinois · 07-01-2010, 05:56 PM

here is the link.

http://modelaparts.net/dynosheets.htm/web3236.htm

Purdy Swoft · 07-01-2010, 06:02 PM

Steve Norcal, not sure exactly what you want. I have a good Zepher aluminum intake with a single model 94 carb and linkage and three spare 94 carbs if that is what you want I would trade. Thanks, Purdy.

Mike_Ovale · 07-01-2010, 07:03 PM

I’m using this weber carb setup for some time and found it to be very reliable using a low pressure carter electric pump. My pump is mounted inside the frame and kind out of sight under an aluminum shield and is very quiet. It’s not hard to start you just really choke it and it just takes off. Power and mileage is very good about 20 MPG touring with some hills.

Mike

Logan · 07-01-2010, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike_Ovale

I’m using this weber carb setup for some time and found it to be very reliable using a low pressure carter electric pump. My pump is mounted inside the frame and kind out of sight under an aluminum shield and is very quiet. It’s not hard to start you just really choke it and it just takes off. Power and mileage is very good about 20 MPG touring with some hills.

Mike

Hey mike, whats that sheild for between the carb and the exhaust manifold. Im sure its serves as a heat sheild, but ive never heard any problems with the webers getting too hot

Mike_Ovale · 07-02-2010, 12:27 PM

Logan

I made a shield just for the summer time but it’s really not needed so I just leave it in place. The weber needs some kind of hot air intake to keep from getting to cold so some year I’ll make up something.

Mike

Dave in MN · 07-02-2010, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purdy Swoft

Too complicated for me and I don't like the look. I also figured if it developed problems it would be an expensive throw away. I run dual updrafts on two of my model A's and love it. I have worked on model A carburetors since I was a kid and dual updrafts have the old school look.

I'm with you on the "old school look" and have an updraft intake with two "B" carbs ready to be fitted to an engine I have half assembled. I might hear it roar this weekend if other things don't get in the way.

Regarding a Weber carb...I recently supplied an engine that was fitted with a Weber along with a few other mods. The engine produced a bit over 62hp on Bill Stipe's dyno. You can study the dyno report if you are interested.
See the dyno report at: www.durableperformance.net
The Dyno Report link is located on my Pricing page directly below the Touring Engine info. Just "click" on the DYNO REPORT link to view.

Good Day!
Dave in MN

Michael in Sedona · 07-02-2010, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike_Ovale

I’m using this weber carb setup for some time and found it to be very reliable using a low pressure carter electric pump. My pump is mounted inside the frame and kind out of sight under an aluminum shield and is very quiet. It’s not hard to start you just really choke it and it just takes off. Power and mileage is very good about 20 MPG touring with some hills.

Mike

Mike,

How did you wire the fuel pump? Does it run whenever the ignition is on, or is there a switch? I have a master electrical cut-off switch. Should I connect it to the master so it runs a couple of seconds before starting? Thanks.

Purdy Swoft · 07-02-2010, 02:06 PM

Thanks Dave, Good luck with the dual B carb updraft. I really like mine. I can really feel the power in the speedster when it reaches the rpm for the high speed jets to cut in. I had to put a spring on the choke of the back carb or it would draw the choke closed if I gave it full throttle.

Mike_Ovale · 07-02-2010, 08:27 PM

To: Michael in Sedona,

My Model A has a 12 negative ground system. The fuel pump connects to the ignition switch the same as for the coil but has its own fuse. No need for a separate fuel pump switch or priming before starting but all cars should have a master switch also. The Weber will run from tanks gravity feed but will starve out driving. I found the best pump is a Carter P60504 low pressure its quiet and is available 6 or 12 volts pos or negative setup.
Mike Ovale

Michael in Sedona · 07-02-2010, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike_Ovale

To: Michael in Sedona,

My Model A has a 12 negative ground system. The fuel pump connects to the ignition switch the same as for the coil but has its own fuse. No need for a separate fuel pump switch or priming before starting but all cars should have a master switch also. The Weber will run from tanks gravity feed but will starve out driving. I found the best pump is a Carter P60504 low pressure its quiet and is available 6 or 12 volts pos or negative setup.
Mike Ovale

Thanks Mike. I'm also running 12V neg ground, and will follow your advice. I've had the complete set-up on the shelf for about 4 years, and just haven't gotten to it.

Don Conklin · 07-03-2010, 07:29 AM

If your running an electric fuel pump don't forget to install an inertia switch to shut off the pump incase of an accident. Late model Fords used them to shut off the pumps on fuel injected cars. I wired mine to not only shut off the fuel but also a solenoid valve in the fuel line.

06-30-2010, 08:34 PM	#1
oldsman41 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 157	weber carb is anyone running the weber carb and manifold they sell at mikes or brattons? if so do you like it? have pictures of it on the engine? iam thinking of new carbs but cant decide which way to go thanks

06-30-2010, 09:23 PM	#2
mrtexas Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Sugar Land, TX Posts: 4,395	Re: weber carb I run one. The only difference from a Tilly is that you've got a lot more pedal at 45mph.

06-30-2010, 10:01 PM	#3
Logan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 1,055	Re: weber carb Ive got one sitting on the engine on the stand, but havent tried it out yet. Everyone i know that has one, LOVES them. No they arent the prettiest thing ever, but they work really good. I bought the reproduction original style exhaust manifold from snyders and both manifolds matched up nicely. Another option that alot of people run is either the cast iron performance manifold or the tube headers. The weber is in my opinion probably the best 2 barrel carb you can put on the model a. It only uses one barrel in the city, or at cruizing speed. Then once you punch it, it opens the second barrel which is significantly larger throat size. So your going to get pretty good gas milage, and you will see a performance up grade. __________________ Cowtown A's

07-01-2010, 06:53 AM	#4
john in illinois Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,183	Re: weber carb I am going to get one. Piranios dyno shows 18% peak hp gain on stock engine.Arizona Model A sells the kit with the carb jetted for the A. He also sells the correct low pressure fuel pump. Phone 480-782-0226

07-01-2010, 08:17 AM	#5
John LaVoy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rocklin, CA Posts: 1,219	Re: weber carb We installed our first Weber on a Model A about 7 years ago. We got better gas mileage and performance. In the Fall 2009 issue of the Model A Times we wrote up installing one in the roadster using a 6V fuel pump there are pictures on the installation there. We have one on the sedan that went to Texas a couple of years ago so you can see we are big fans. The last one we bought from Arizona Model A parts 480-782-0226

07-01-2010, 03:20 PM	#6
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: weber carb Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Too complicated for me and I don't like the look. I also figured if it developed problems it would be an expensive throw away. I run dual updrafts on two of my model A's and love it. I have worked on model A carburetors since I was a kid and dual updrafts have the old school look.

07-01-2010, 03:24 PM	#7
V4F Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: ca. Posts: 2,522	Re: weber carb i would like to trade 2 97's / zepher manifold for one with intake for a header .. thank you .. steve __________________ V4f

07-01-2010, 03:36 PM	#8
ChicagoBob Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Yorkville, IL Posts: 126	Re: weber carb I tried one, and it did have noticeably more power at high rpm, but I never could figure out how to start the engine quickly, and I didn't like the fuel pump plumbing and wiring. Also, I'd ask how it performs in cold weather without manifold heating.

07-01-2010, 05:56 PM	#10
john in illinois Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,183	Re: weber carb here is the link. http://modelaparts.net/dynosheets.htm/web3236.htm

07-01-2010, 06:02 PM	#11
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: weber carb Steve Norcal, not sure exactly what you want. I have a good Zepher aluminum intake with a single model 94 carb and linkage and three spare 94 carbs if that is what you want I would trade. Thanks, Purdy.

07-02-2010, 12:27 PM	#14
Mike_Ovale Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Orangevale, Calif Posts: 15	Re: weber carb Logan I made a shield just for the summer time but it’s really not needed so I just leave it in place. The weber needs some kind of hot air intake to keep from getting to cold so some year I’ll make up something. Mike

07-02-2010, 02:06 PM	#17
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: Weber carb vs. other options Thanks Dave, Good luck with the dual B carb updraft. I really like mine. I can really feel the power in the speedster when it reaches the rpm for the high speed jets to cut in. I had to put a spring on the choke of the back carb or it would draw the choke closed if I gave it full throttle.

07-02-2010, 08:27 PM	#18
Mike_Ovale Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Orangevale, Calif Posts: 15	Re: weber carb To: Michael in Sedona, My Model A has a 12 negative ground system. The fuel pump connects to the ignition switch the same as for the coil but has its own fuse. No need for a separate fuel pump switch or priming before starting but all cars should have a master switch also. The Weber will run from tanks gravity feed but will starve out driving. I found the best pump is a Carter P60504 low pressure its quiet and is available 6 or 12 volts pos or negative setup. Mike Ovale

07-03-2010, 07:29 AM	#20
Don Conklin Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 5	Re: weber carb If your running an electric fuel pump don't forget to install an inertia switch to shut off the pump incase of an accident. Late model Fords used them to shut off the pumps on fuel injected cars. I wired mine to not only shut off the fuel but also a solenoid valve in the fuel line.