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Old 10-10-2017, 05:26 PM   #1
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In the red book it states to cut a 8" strip and glue it to the top leave of the front springs and coat the top with grease. It appears to me in West Texas that grease is just going to collect sand. So if its necessary can I use something other than body welt because I would have to order it. Or would you even do it. Thanks again guys. I couldn't put this together without the help of the barners
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Old 10-10-2017, 06:43 PM   #2
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I have never used anything on top of the spring. I just clamp the spring hangers tight and go with that. One thing that might happen is the welting adds height and could cause the spring to slip out of the square hole. Maybe it wouldn't if the welting is thin, but who knows.
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Old 10-10-2017, 08:15 PM   #3
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Thanks Rusty. It didn't make sense to me but it is the red book so I wanted some more opinions
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:03 PM   #4
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Other side of the debate; we do add welting to the springs front rear. No grease. The welting is thin enough that it really does not that much height to the spring pack.
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:35 PM   #5
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So do I use it or not. Thanks
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Old 10-10-2017, 11:02 PM   #6
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Many years ago when I installed my front spring I used piece of canvas That was lying around , I just cut a hole for the center bolt , greased it and put it in. Probably doesn't matter one way or the other.
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The red book says you put 8 inches of welding glued to the spring and greased on top. It wasn't on my springs. What can I use and does everyone do this.
Welding??????? I dont think so! I think you meant webbing like frame to body anti-squeak webbing.

The answer is NO...do not use it. Ford never used it. Think about it...so you put the webbing between the bottom of the front cross member and the top of the spring. Sooner or later it will wear then what do you have? A slight gap between the bottom of the cross member and the spring which will equal a slight shifting of the front end sooner or later...Is that something you want?

At least that is my thinking anyway...someone else may disagree and have different thoughts about it.

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Old 10-10-2017, 11:27 PM   #8
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watch out welting turned into welding. Sorry. Thanks to all
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Old 10-10-2017, 11:32 PM   #9
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What would be the purpose of he grease other than to attract dirt? If it is an attempt to put some lubrication in there (why would you do that anyway), maybe try some powdered graphite.
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Old 10-11-2017, 04:54 AM   #10
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The red book says you put 8 inches of welding glued to the spring and greased on top. It wasn't on my springs. What can I use and does everyone do this.
Welding??????? I dont think so! I think you meant webbing like frame to body anti-squeak webbing.

The answer is NO...do not use it. Ford never used it.

At least that is my thinking anyway...someone else may disagree and have different thoughts about it.

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Well ....Yes Ford did use it, -just not on the Model-A. The Model-T used it but they were leather. So what do you gain by using it on a Model-A? Depends on the condition of your vehicle's parts. If the hole in the crossmember is worn or the head on the tie-bolt is loose within the hole, then there is an advantage because steel on steel is easy to move due to very little friction. With something creating friction between the two pieces of metal is used, then it is easier to hold the spring in one location after it is tightened.
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Old 10-11-2017, 05:24 AM   #11
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Well ....Yes Ford did use it, -just not on the Model-A. The Model-T used it but they were leather. So what do you gain by using it on a Model-A? Depends on the condition of your vehicle's parts. If the hole in the crossmember is worn or the head on the tie-bolt is loose within the hole, then there is an advantage because steel on steel is easy to move due to very little friction. With something creating friction between the two pieces of metal is used, then it is easier to hold the spring in one location after it is tightened.
That makes sense so I guess no grease or other lubrication would be desirable.
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Old 10-12-2017, 10:59 AM   #12
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Leaf springs are designed accounting for friction between their leaves. Less friction equates to a smoother ride at the cost of the spring deflecting more, so increasing its wear and reducing its fatigue life.

However, we do not put the springs to the abuse they were designed for, so fatigue life is not important. Caveat: An original hi-mileage spring could crack tomorrow. I opt for a smoother ride, so I use accessory spring covers soaked with SAE 140 hypoid gear oil and nothing between the leaves. The improvement in the ride smoothness is significant.
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