32 axle bent twist ?

[rust revival]

Does anyone know were I can find aliment rods/cones to see if my 32 axle is bent ? Tried looking for wood dowling but cannot find correct size
One side of my wishbone lines up but the other is off ?
Really puts damper/hold on the build
Spent a fairly large $$$$ amount to get this far

[cas3]

here's mine, made from 1/2" water pipe trimmed down in my lathe. how far off is it? if you can twist it enough to get the pins in, then check with similar pipes thru the king pin boss.

[rust revival]

Unfortunately I have no one around with a lathe

[cas3]

thats impossible, lathes are everywhere. how about wooden dowels with tape to shim up to size.

[rust revival]

Originally Posted by cas3

thats impossible, lathes are everywhere. how about wooden dowels with tape to shim up to size.

The nearest place that would have one is over 2 hours away , I could use tape just didn’t know if that would be accurate enough. Im very new to this still GREEN

[deuce_roadster]

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If it were me, I would use say 3/8 metal rods and 4 round tapered spool pieces to center the rods in the king pin holes. You could make the wood tapered pieces with a drill press and have them a tight fit on the rods.

[rust revival]

It was just messaged to me that also could be twisted wishbone ?

[rust revival]

Not sure how I post pictures. Can I send them to someone? Thanks

[rust revival]

Originally Posted by deuce_roadster

If it were me, I would use say 3/8 metal rods and 4 round tapered spool pieces to center the rods in the king pin holes. You could make the wood tapered pieces with a drill press and have them a tight fit on the rods.

I will try this, I just need to source cones. Maybe nuts tapered on bench grinder

[cas3]

if the axle wont lay flat on a table, its most likely not the wishbone. the deuces idea of tapered cones is good as you could use it on both king pin and perch pin holes

[cas3]

bench grinder not very accurate unless you are very good at it. how about lug nuts re tapped for coarse thread?

[rust revival]

Originally Posted by cas3

bench grinder not very accurate unless you are very good at it. how about lug nuts re tapped for coarse thread?

Well that’s way better idea. Thanks

[rust revival]

It’s not that it doesn’t lay flat there is a tiny wobble and thought this is why the one right side of the wishbone is not lining up ? Trying to upload photos to show everyone what Im saying. But won’t let me

[Andy]

I was working on a 32 axle and needed to make jig. I was surprized when the welded to the jig rods would slip off the perch boss and the spindle boss. The holes are parallel!!!
I have no farther use for the jig and would send the rods to you for cost. They are not very long so I need to think this thru.

[Tim Ayers]

Real simple. If you can, flip it over on it’s back. If bent, it will not stand up on its own. If it falls over, you’ll be able to tell which end is bent or twisted.

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[JSeery]

Originally Posted by rust revival

It’s not that it doesn’t lay flat there is a tiny wobble and thought this is why the one right side of the wishbone is not lining up ? Trying to upload photos to show everyone what Im saying. But won’t let me

Photo posting problems are almost always file size. Assuming a .jpg file, the size limit is just under 586 kb. You need to reduce the photo sizes, most camera photos are in the Mb range.

[Tim Ayers]

I had an issue recently with the '32 wishbone on a chassis that Zach Suhr did for me. It was really odd. No visible damage, yet it was out of square. The ball lined up to the divot in the K, yet was about an 1" to the side. Obviously, it was bent, but it wasn't obvious to the eye until it was going to be mounted.

If your wishbone is mounted to the K, I would undo it, mount everything else and see where the ball section of the wishbone falls. It may help you narrow down what is going on.

I'll admit I haven't read every post on this thread, but have you confirmed its the axle that's the problem?

[rust revival]

Ok guys thanks for sticking with me
Now I’m Borrowing a friends axle, while I figure out shipping mine to get straighted , Now I’m not sure what to say.
There is a gap on bottom , and top of the left side
And a gap on bottom of the right side ???? As a result the bottom perch pin castle nut is not centering ??? I’m guessing this is also an issue.


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[Tim Ayers]

From my advantage point looking at the pictures you posted, the axle is bent in the middle. Looks like it has a sharp bend smack dab in the middle. Flip it over and see if it will stay up on its own. Certainly looks bent to me. If it is, something very drastic happened to it for these axles are very strong.

Have you laid the wishbone down flat as well? Just to make sure thats not bent?

If it is the axle, good news is guys like Andy Kohler or Greg Ansen can fix it for you.

[DavidG]

I agree that it appears to be bent in the middle, but unusually so. Normally, bends occur from the axle striking an hard object like a large rock or tree stump causing deformation front to back. In your photos, the bend appears to have occurred from top to bottom which is extraordinary.

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by DavidG

I agree that it appears to be bent in the middle, but unusually so. Normally, bends occur from the axle striking an hard object like a large rock or tree stump causing deformation front to back. In your photos, the bend appears to have occurred from top to bottom which is extraordinary.

Agreed. From the looks of it, it appears quite sharp and not a gentle bend.

[rust revival]

Ok guys thanks for sticking with me. I was lucky enough a friend dropped his 32 axle off While I get ready to send mine off to get straighted
So I put my wishbone on the axle
Is this gap normal on both left and right bottom sides?
I can fit a 25 cent quarter half way in ?

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[Bob C]

Is it possible the wishbone got tweaked when the axle was bent?


Bob

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Hey Bob , I Purchased from two different people , but if I lay a straight edge down both side of the bones they are perfect, if I lay it flat, both perch ends lay flat on ground. But the ball end does not touch and the first 3inches on the right side after the ball (casting) does not touch
Would that throw everything off even if the side are straight?

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by rust revival

Hey Bob , I Purchased from two different people , but if I lay a straight edge down both side of the bones they are perfect, if I lay it flat, both perch ends lay flat on ground. But the ball end does not touch and the first 3inches on the right side after the ball (casting) does not touch
Would that throw everything off even if the side are straight?

Yes, but not as drastic as in the first picts. So think of it this way. It's like plumbing a door frame. The openings for the axle bosses need to be parallel and level. If you were able to find the centerline, the ball should line up in the same plane as the openings for the axle bosses. If it's tweaked, that throughs off the center line.

[DavidG]

Try and find an unmodified, unbent axle to borrow and try out, even a '33 or'34 as they are the same spring perch to spring perch dimensionally. Who knows how the dropped axle was modified?

[Tim Ayers]

My wishbone was bent like yours. We scratched our heads how the ball mount centerline was off, yet the axle perch opens were on line and level. Point being, who knows what happens to these parts, but more times than not, they can be fixed.

[rust revival]

How red neck would it be if I put a bar through the perch pin holes And twist it back so it lays flat on axle boses I’m pretty sure that would work ?

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[JSeery]

To me these threads are a lot better long term with the photos imbedded.

[JSeery]

And two of the earlier ones.

[JSeery]

Originally Posted by rust revival

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[rust revival]

Thank you JSeery I tried for a hour to load pictures ,This is the only way I could figure I appreciate it

[Tim Ayers]

Not at all. That’s what we did. We used heat to get it hot before bending back into place.

[cas3]

in the photos where it shows the wishbone fitting very loose, it looks like the axle boss may be worn there. for fun, measure both sides and see if they are the same. thanks for the photos jerry !

[JSeery]

Originally Posted by rust revival

Thank you JSeery I tried for a hour to load pictures ,This is the only way I could figure I appreciate it

If you want any other photos posted you can email them to me and I can post them for you. [email protected]

[Mart]

Without the parts in front of me it's hard to say exactly what is going on.

The bosses on the axle should be 2" and the top and bottom faces should be flat and parallel to each other. That is the first thing to check.

The kingpin boss and the perch pin boss should be parallel to each other at the same end.

If your friend has another axle, lay the two axles down one on top of the other. Do all the angles of all the holes match? They should do, exactly.

Although each tubular part of the wishbone is tapered, and oval in section, every surface of each tube should be straight from one end to the other. Are they straight?

The internal dimension of each perch location (Where it fits the axle) should be 2". Each surface should be straight and parallel.

If a perch bolt comes loose, the perch bolt, the hole in the axle, the top and bottom faces of the axle and the internal mating faces of the wishbone all can wear. My 33 was like this.

Please verify what is good and not good with the parts you have. The axle has to fit good into the wishbone locations. The perch bolt will not close up a bellmouthed wishbone jaw.

One last thought, if you lay your axle down on a table with paper laid out on it (I use wallpaper lining paper). You could trace the shape of the axle on it, and using a ruler or piece of tubing draw the angles of all the bosses on the paper. You could then measure all the angles and check they are all the same and each side is a mirror image of the other.
You could also flip the axle over and check it fits the outline and all the angles still match.

For info the king pin inclination should be 8 degrees or 7-1/2 degrees, depending on where you look. Your paper layout will confirm what you have.

You could also do the same for your friends axle, see if it comes out the same as yours.

You have the parts, you need to determine what is wrong with them.

All we can do is offer advice.

Mart.

[Krylon32]

I had a 32 axle that resembled yours many years ago, I had it straightened and dropped by Anson Axles. He did an excellent job. He also repaired a couple 32 axles for me without dropping them.

[Tim Ayers]

Originally Posted by Krylon32

I had a 32 axle that resembled yours many years ago, I had it straightened and dropped by Anson Axles. He did an excellent job. He also repaired a couple 32 axles for me without dropping them.

Greg is great. Depending where the OP's is located, Andy Kohler in Williamsport, PA can do it as well.

I just shipped a '32 axle to Greg and was dumbfounded when it cost $50 to ship it to his business. Round trip would have been $100. Outrageous.

[rust revival]

Ok, Thanks again everyone for the tremendous help Looks like I got the wishbone were it should be , and axle will be shipped out
Now I’m getting a little ahead of myself,
but
I don’t see a recommendation for torque on the perch pin castle nut what is everyone setting them at ?

[Mart]

As tight as you can, bearing in mind you want to end up with a split pin hole lining up. 100lbs ft plus. (I don't use a figure, just v. tight with a 30" bar.)

[Tony, NY]

If you have a gap between the wishbone mount to the axle, it can be shimmed.