The Ford Barn

BILL WILLIAMSON · 02-02-2016, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by d.j. moordigian

You should post a photo(s) of your car. There are 2 fellas that go too the
"pancake breakfast" that are here on the Barn,..Gary Karr and Tom Endy.
They may know the car..

Dudley,
I knew the 2 previous owners, you "probably" know them also. Remember T & D Auto Supply?
Saw your pic here, "LOOKIN' GOOD"
Willy Bill

d.j. moordigian · 02-02-2016, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON

Dudley,
I knew the 2 previous owners, you "probably" know them also. Remember T & D Auto Supply?
Saw your pic here, "LOOKIN' GOOD"
Willy Bill

T&D Auto Supply,...I think that was Ted Antinoly(sp),...that was his car?
Photo,...Ya, you know photos lie,...........I'll call you today.

russcochiolo · 02-03-2016, 04:13 PM

d.j.
I created an album, "First pictures of Roadster", that I took for insurance purposes. It is public so anyone can open it. Thank you for that suggestion. Russ

Vern · 02-03-2016, 06:23 PM

Russochiolo, here are pictures of the valance from a Victoria. It is, I believe, unique to the Victoria, certainly different from those of the Deluxe Phaeton and the A400 Convertible Sedan. The one on your roadster looks similar to the Victoria valance, at least from the photos Mike posted. Like others have said, the roadster didn't originally come with a valance, but it looks good on your car.

russcochiolo · 02-04-2016, 09:23 AM

Vern, thanks. I think this discussion is on it's "last legs".
Later this morning I'll be at my friends and check his original Vickie. I am inclined to go along with your (and others) thinking that this was added by an unknown previous owner and not "factory", standard or option, when someone asks about it. I often get questions from other 40 B Dlx caretakers whose cars don't have a valance.
Also, thanks to all of those that chimed in on this subject. Russ

russcochiolo · 03-23-2016, 02:29 PM

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I finally got an opportunity to get into the garage and get the spare off in order to get better photos which I posted in my album "Valance Photos" if anyone is interested.
It looks as though the rear sub-frame (Snyder's A-165-AB)was replaced with a valance from a Victoria at some point in this roadster's life.
Thanks for the responses.......now to find out if anyone knows more about this A. Russ

russcochiolo · 07-10-2016, 06:54 PM

Fellow Barners,
Yesterday I was given 3 crates of old Restorer magazines. While going through some of them this afternoon, I came across Vol. 35, Issue 4, Nov/Dec '90. Page 11 has photos of a '31 Three Window Coupe owned by Sam Bergman that show a valance that is strikingly similar to the one my early '31 roadster.
While under the A recently, I noticed that the valance is actually two pieces. This gives credence to Bill Williamson's earlier post suggesting that the valance is/was an aftermarket accessory. Two pieces would be easier/cheaper to ship.
Any further thoughts from Barners will be appreciated.
Thanks, Russ.

russcochiolo · 07-11-2016, 08:08 AM

Here is the photo of the page referenced. Russ

BILL WILLIAMSON · 07-11-2016, 02:24 PM

In the '50's we built valences from 3 pieces of flat sheet metal, exhaust tubing to form the lower rolled edge, & sections from old headlight shells, to form the curved corners. Part of head light shells, also built NIFTY hood scoops & blisters.
Bill W.

russcochiolo · 07-11-2016, 02:28 PM

Brought back some memories........Thanks, Bill. Russ

foxfire42 · 07-11-2016, 02:53 PM

The Victoria valance doesn't have the belt rail up the sides as in his roadster valance. I also noticed the valance on a 180A has notches for the clearance of the bumper brackets so his valance is narrower. I see the rear tire carrier has been lowered. I wonder what reinforcement was added to the valance to support the lower two bolts The rear bumpers have also been adjusted down to allow space for the valance to fit.

I too like it. Wonder if someone got the idea from the next generation of roadsters that used it to hide the gas tank.

russcochiolo · 07-11-2016, 05:00 PM

foxfire42,
I just got under.......the lower 2 bolts go through the valance and into the body crossmember. The valance itself is made up of 2 halves that slip over the body crossmember and is joined in the center with three bolts with square nuts on the underside. The dog is askin' for his dinner.......gotta go. I'll get my camera out and see if'n I can get some pictures to post. Thanks for your observations. Russ

russcochiolo · 07-11-2016, 05:57 PM

foxfire42
I got some pictures added to my public albums. I hope they will give a better idea of the way in which the valance is attached. I don't believe that the spare tire mount has been lowered as it bolts through the valance and into the body crossmember. I have been wrong before and take no offense when other opinions are expressed. Russ

foxfire42 · 07-11-2016, 09:28 PM

I missed it the first time. The valance covers the rear sub frame that ties the two sub rails together.

02-03-2016, 04:13 PM	#23
russcochiolo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Clovis, CA Posts: 218	Re: Rear Valence on 1931 40-B Dlx Roadster d.j. I created an album, "First pictures of Roadster", that I took for insurance purposes. It is public so anyone can open it. Thank you for that suggestion. Russ

02-03-2016, 06:23 PM	#24
Vern Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 572	Re: Rear Valence on 1931 40-B Dlx Roadster Russochiolo, here are pictures of the valance from a Victoria. It is, I believe, unique to the Victoria, certainly different from those of the Deluxe Phaeton and the A400 Convertible Sedan. The one on your roadster looks similar to the Victoria valance, at least from the photos Mike posted. Like others have said, the roadster didn't originally come with a valance, but it looks good on your car. Last edited by Vern; 05-30-2020 at 08:10 PM.

02-04-2016, 09:23 AM	#25
russcochiolo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Clovis, CA Posts: 218	Re: Rear Valence on 1931 40-B Dlx Roadster Vern, thanks. I think this discussion is on it's "last legs". Later this morning I'll be at my friends and check his original Vickie. I am inclined to go along with your (and others) thinking that this was added by an unknown previous owner and not "factory", standard or option, when someone asks about it. I often get questions from other 40 B Dlx caretakers whose cars don't have a valance. Also, thanks to all of those that chimed in on this subject. Russ

03-23-2016, 02:29 PM	#26
russcochiolo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Clovis, CA Posts: 218	Re: Rear Valence on 1931 40-B Dlx Roadster Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I finally got an opportunity to get into the garage and get the spare off in order to get better photos which I posted in my album "Valance Photos" if anyone is interested. It looks as though the rear sub-frame (Snyder's A-165-AB)was replaced with a valance from a Victoria at some point in this roadster's life. Thanks for the responses.......now to find out if anyone knows more about this A. Russ

07-10-2016, 06:54 PM	#27
russcochiolo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Clovis, CA Posts: 218	Re: Rear Valence on 1931 40-B Dlx Roadster Fellow Barners, Yesterday I was given 3 crates of old Restorer magazines. While going through some of them this afternoon, I came across Vol. 35, Issue 4, Nov/Dec '90. Page 11 has photos of a '31 Three Window Coupe owned by Sam Bergman that show a valance that is strikingly similar to the one my early '31 roadster. While under the A recently, I noticed that the valance is actually two pieces. This gives credence to Bill Williamson's earlier post suggesting that the valance is/was an aftermarket accessory. Two pieces would be easier/cheaper to ship. Any further thoughts from Barners will be appreciated. Thanks, Russ.

07-11-2016, 02:24 PM	#29
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Rear Valence on 1931 40-B Dlx Roadster In the '50's we built valences from 3 pieces of flat sheet metal, exhaust tubing to form the lower rolled edge, & sections from old headlight shells, to form the curved corners. Part of head light shells, also built NIFTY hood scoops & blisters. Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

07-11-2016, 02:28 PM	#30
russcochiolo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Clovis, CA Posts: 218	Re: Rear Valence on 1931 40-B Dlx Roadster Brought back some memories........Thanks, Bill. Russ

07-11-2016, 02:53 PM	#31
foxfire42 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: AZ and WA Posts: 764	Re: Rear Valence on 1931 40-B Dlx Roadster The Victoria valance doesn't have the belt rail up the sides as in his roadster valance. I also noticed the valance on a 180A has notches for the clearance of the bumper brackets so his valance is narrower. I see the rear tire carrier has been lowered. I wonder what reinforcement was added to the valance to support the lower two bolts The rear bumpers have also been adjusted down to allow space for the valance to fit. I too like it. Wonder if someone got the idea from the next generation of roadsters that used it to hide the gas tank. Last edited by foxfire42; 07-11-2016 at 03:27 PM.

07-11-2016, 05:00 PM	#32
russcochiolo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Clovis, CA Posts: 218	Re: Rear Valence on 1931 40-B Dlx Roadster foxfire42, I just got under.......the lower 2 bolts go through the valance and into the body crossmember. The valance itself is made up of 2 halves that slip over the body crossmember and is joined in the center with three bolts with square nuts on the underside. The dog is askin' for his dinner.......gotta go. I'll get my camera out and see if'n I can get some pictures to post. Thanks for your observations. Russ

07-11-2016, 05:57 PM	#33
russcochiolo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Clovis, CA Posts: 218	Re: Rear Valence on 1931 40-B Dlx Roadster foxfire42 I got some pictures added to my public albums. I hope they will give a better idea of the way in which the valance is attached. I don't believe that the spare tire mount has been lowered as it bolts through the valance and into the body crossmember. I have been wrong before and take no offense when other opinions are expressed. Russ

07-11-2016, 09:28 PM	#34
foxfire42 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: AZ and WA Posts: 764	Re: Rear Valence on 1931 40-B Dlx Roadster I missed it the first time. The valance covers the rear sub frame that ties the two sub rails together.