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George/Maine · 05-23-2018, 10:42 AM

You will have to line up the dots used the 4 bolts or drop pan remove key line up and put key back in. At that time the rotor should point at #1 pass side.
The timing is off the intake is about 45 degs to soon.
You still have 125 lbs but out of time.
So line up the dots ,rotor points to #1 pass side.
Put dist mid position and hit the key should run.

flatjack9 · 05-23-2018, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chap52

I remember struggling with a fresh start for a few days..When I put it back together I had the timing gear and the cam gear matching up but they were 180 degrees out. Had to pull the front cover and remove the timing gear, turn the crank into proper position, button it back up.
One of those things I checked several times during assembly and still had the cam out of proper sequence.
Then it fired right up. But it wouldn't start at all. Also as George said the dist. may be 180 out.
Another "Learning Experience". You'll get it figured out. Chap

Impossible to have the cam 180 out if the marks are aligned.

George/Maine · 05-23-2018, 02:10 PM

Looking at the end of cam looks like it may have been tried to put dist. 180 out.
That why I said point the rotor to #1
The mark was made to get Dot in correct position. Some type of fixture.
The intake was closed at bottom of compression, driving the piston home TDC
Showed good 125lbs but out of time.
I think this will fix problem.

Ken/Alabama · 05-23-2018, 02:57 PM

One thing you can do is compare the new timing gear to the old one.

edhd58 · 05-24-2018, 06:48 PM

Okay guys, i got it figured out.
Go ahead, get ready to kick a idiot in the butt (nice for what what I've said to myself tonight).

After days of tearing it down, checking and rechecking and finding nothing wrong, I had an epiphany.

This thing has sat 8 months, i ran out of Seafoam water remover last winter but had 4 bottles of stuff my Dad had when he passed away, 3 years ago, HEET water remover and I put a couple bottles of that in over the winter.

Last night after rechecking things is when I had the epiphany.
Which was, EVERYTHING I've checked is right and good and the ONLY thing I hadn't checked is, as flatjack9 had mentioned it might be, the fuel.

I got me some fresh fuel, drained the carb, hooked the fresh cup of fuel to the fuel pump and started cranking. As soon as the fuel bowl filled and I pumped the pedal a few times, it happened. She STARTED and ran fine.

I've started and restarted it a dozen times and it starts immediately and runs great every time. Now to put it all back together, one last time and drain the fuel tank.

Damn what an idiot I am

JSeery · 05-24-2018, 07:19 PM

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Glad you figured it out!

edhd58 · 05-24-2018, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JSeery

Glad you figured it out!

Thanks JSeery,
I was soooo mad at myself tonight when it started, over and over with no problem. WOW what problems I caused myself. At least its now back to putting it together, again.

George/Maine · 05-25-2018, 06:07 AM

In pic #10 you lined up with cut in cam gear, When changing so many things you must have lined up the dots. There is 19 teeth between from cut to dot.
I think that when the dots are lined up the cut is at 12 o'clock,make easy to mess crank gear. Good you got it running and didn't,t have to junk it. LOL

edhd58 · 05-28-2018, 04:38 PM

probably gonna be the last post on this one.
I finally got it all back together, drained the fuel tank and put 5 gal of fresh fuel in.
I went back over everything because i was literally touching everything looking at everything. I almost forgot I had removed one of the side cover bolts but did not take the cover off, I had thought I would watch the valve timing that way but figured out it was fuel before I got to that point.
To make a long story short, its all back together and after a little carb adjusting idles very smooth, and at 185 temp has 35 lbs oil pressure.
All thats left now is putting the hood back on.

Steve Seidl · 05-29-2018, 03:33 PM

It could be something simple like a bad condenser or the coil failing as it warms up?

Mart · 05-30-2018, 06:11 AM

Well done. It's funny when people post that they've fixed the problem on page 2 and folks are still replying to the original problem on page 1 not realising it has been fixed. Done it myself a couple of times.

George/Maine · 05-30-2018, 06:49 AM

There seams to be lot of interest in this post with 950 hits.
The real problem that was done to fix ,
" was the dots were lined up".
Someone moved it to the dots.

Post 10 shows wrong, should be dots lined up.

Mart · 05-30-2018, 01:31 PM

Or put some fresh fuel in it.

Hoop · 05-30-2018, 05:07 PM

If you were out in the woods and found a guy who was lost, would trust his sense of direction and let him lead you out?

Some of us would.

edhd58 · 05-30-2018, 07:13 PM

Hoop, all depends on the amount of alcohol in my blood.

George, Dots arent and wont line up, they are both on teeth and will only sit side by side. The slot is still lined up with the dot.

Mart, yep fresh fuel did it. I cant believe all the headache I caused myself not suspecting the fuel.

JSeery · 05-30-2018, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by edhd58

I cant believe all the headache I caused myself not suspecting the fuel.

It is often something simple. Simple is very easy to overlook!!

05-23-2018, 10:42 AM	#21
George/Maine Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mid coast Maine Posts: 1,878	Re: Timing question You will have to line up the dots used the 4 bolts or drop pan remove key line up and put key back in. At that time the rotor should point at #1 pass side. The timing is off the intake is about 45 degs to soon. You still have 125 lbs but out of time. So line up the dots ,rotor points to #1 pass side. Put dist mid position and hit the key should run.

05-23-2018, 02:10 PM	#23
George/Maine Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mid coast Maine Posts: 1,878	Re: Timing question Looking at the end of cam looks like it may have been tried to put dist. 180 out. That why I said point the rotor to #1 The mark was made to get Dot in correct position. Some type of fixture. The intake was closed at bottom of compression, driving the piston home TDC Showed good 125lbs but out of time. I think this will fix problem.

05-23-2018, 02:57 PM	#24
Ken/Alabama Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 3,257	Re: Timing question One thing you can do is compare the new timing gear to the old one.

05-24-2018, 06:48 PM	#25
edhd58 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Guston,ky Posts: 653	Re: Timing question Okay guys, i got it figured out. Go ahead, get ready to kick a idiot in the butt (nice for what what I've said to myself tonight). After days of tearing it down, checking and rechecking and finding nothing wrong, I had an epiphany. This thing has sat 8 months, i ran out of Seafoam water remover last winter but had 4 bottles of stuff my Dad had when he passed away, 3 years ago, HEET water remover and I put a couple bottles of that in over the winter. Last night after rechecking things is when I had the epiphany. Which was, EVERYTHING I've checked is right and good and the ONLY thing I hadn't checked is, as flatjack9 had mentioned it might be, the fuel. I got me some fresh fuel, drained the carb, hooked the fresh cup of fuel to the fuel pump and started cranking. As soon as the fuel bowl filled and I pumped the pedal a few times, it happened. She STARTED and ran fine. I've started and restarted it a dozen times and it starts immediately and runs great every time. Now to put it all back together, one last time and drain the fuel tank. Damn what an idiot I am

05-24-2018, 07:19 PM	#26
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Timing question Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Glad you figured it out!

05-25-2018, 06:07 AM	#28
George/Maine Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mid coast Maine Posts: 1,878	Re: Timing question In pic #10 you lined up with cut in cam gear, When changing so many things you must have lined up the dots. There is 19 teeth between from cut to dot. I think that when the dots are lined up the cut is at 12 o'clock,make easy to mess crank gear. Good you got it running and didn't,t have to junk it. LOL

05-28-2018, 04:38 PM	#29
edhd58 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Guston,ky Posts: 653	Re: Timing question probably gonna be the last post on this one. I finally got it all back together, drained the fuel tank and put 5 gal of fresh fuel in. I went back over everything because i was literally touching everything looking at everything. I almost forgot I had removed one of the side cover bolts but did not take the cover off, I had thought I would watch the valve timing that way but figured out it was fuel before I got to that point. To make a long story short, its all back together and after a little carb adjusting idles very smooth, and at 185 temp has 35 lbs oil pressure. All thats left now is putting the hood back on.

05-29-2018, 03:33 PM	#30
Steve Seidl Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ham Lake,Minn Posts: 118	Re: Timing question It could be something simple like a bad condenser or the coil failing as it warms up?

05-30-2018, 06:11 AM	#31
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,745	Re: Timing question Well done. It's funny when people post that they've fixed the problem on page 2 and folks are still replying to the original problem on page 1 not realising it has been fixed. Done it myself a couple of times.

05-30-2018, 06:49 AM	#32
George/Maine Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mid coast Maine Posts: 1,878	Re: Timing question There seams to be lot of interest in this post with 950 hits. The real problem that was done to fix , " was the dots were lined up". Someone moved it to the dots. Post 10 shows wrong, should be dots lined up.

05-30-2018, 01:31 PM	#33
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,745	Re: Timing question Or put some fresh fuel in it.

05-30-2018, 05:07 PM	#34
Hoop Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Jacksonville FL Posts: 1,137	Re: Timing question If you were out in the woods and found a guy who was lost, would trust his sense of direction and let him lead you out? Some of us would. __________________ "Remember that when it comes to intelligence, half of all of us are below average."

05-30-2018, 07:13 PM	#35
edhd58 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Guston,ky Posts: 653	Re: Timing question Hoop, all depends on the amount of alcohol in my blood. George, Dots arent and wont line up, they are both on teeth and will only sit side by side. The slot is still lined up with the dot. Mart, yep fresh fuel did it. I cant believe all the headache I caused myself not suspecting the fuel.