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mercman from oz · 03-08-2020, 06:11 PM

Australian 1935 Ford Roadster Ute at Hershey 2019 with spare wheel mounted incorrectly. It is at the bottom so that water can sit around the tube, and in time, if left sitting for a long time, can rust out badly.

Lawson Cox · 03-08-2020, 07:00 PM

Talk about picking nits. There should be a service bulletin on this somewhere. Too bad we lost Larry (Mr. 34) Bailey a few years back.

mercman from oz · 03-10-2020, 06:04 AM

Factory Photo of 1934 Ford Sedan Delivery. Note the correct position of Valve - at the top. It also has a locking hubcap.

mercman from oz · 03-11-2020, 05:32 AM

Very nice Australian 1933 Ford with the spare wheel mounted incorrectly. The Valve should be at the top.

mercman from oz · 03-13-2020, 12:39 AM

1934 Ford with Kelsey Hayes 16 Inch Wire Wheel with Valve mounted in the incorrect position.

Brian · 03-13-2020, 01:08 AM

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Are you sure that's a Kelsey Hayes?

mercman from oz · 03-13-2020, 01:59 AM

As there were more spokes than the usual Ford 16" Wire Wheel, I just assumed that it was a Kelsey Hayes? I maybe wrong?

Kpar · 03-13-2020, 02:05 AM

Well the reason I set my valve stem at the top of my 33 mount, it saved my old back in bending down to check pressure.

Tinker · 03-13-2020, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercman from oz

As there were more spokes than the usual Ford 16" Wire Wheel, I just assumed that it was a Kelsey Hayes? I maybe wrong?

Most, but not all are bent spoke.

Looking through a pa'ge book and ford bulletins. No mention of the stem direction. But I'd guess most were on the bottom for 35-36 rear and others for the most part. More so for 38-39 trucks as there was a locking bar.

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deuce lover · 03-13-2020, 02:58 AM

Look at post #12.The '36 spare tire cover face plate has the valve stem hole at the top. Post #45, that is an aftermarket adjustable spoke wheel and TMK not a Kelsey(way to many spokes).Ford spoke wheels had 32 spokes.Kelsey might have been a vendor for Ford-I do not know and if they were I'm sure that their wheel conformed to the Ford specs. The AFTERMARKET 16" Motor Rim & Wheel bent spoke has 36 spokes and the AFTERMARKET 16" bent spoke Kelsey has 40 spokes.

Tinker · 03-13-2020, 03:03 AM

I'll go look at my 36 tomorrow and see which way the outer shell is clocked and if I can change it on a 36. 36s were wide fives but yes. Not sure there was standard clock position But maybe. Might be a preference.

deuce lover · 03-13-2020, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tinker

I'll go look at my 36 tomorrow and see which way the outer shell is clocked and if I can change it on a 36. 36s were wide fives but yes. Not sure there was standard clock position But maybe. Might be a preference.

Only 1 way the face plate will sit right because of the hinged hubcap.Ford script would be upside down if the valve stem hole is at the bottom.

Tinker · 03-13-2020, 08:00 PM

okay I did a bit more looking. I don't want to get into any trouble with the Early Ford V8 Club of America posting here. Nothing in Ford bullets that I have address the spare directly. So buy the book. It's very decent. I might delete some images uploaded.

link

https://shop.efv8.org/collections/ford-books

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mercman from oz · 03-14-2020, 01:02 AM

That picture shoes the Vales at the top, which is the correct position. Thanks for posting.

Habusailor · 03-14-2020, 08:28 AM

This is why I will only show my restored 35 to car shows that only have people’s choice awards. Not to criticize the purest’s but it’s just not for me. I like driving my cars more than showing them so will never have one judged in an AACA or Ford show. I am glad there are those of you out there that swing that way, I have used your expertise many times on getting me through a problem so this not a gripe but rather just my position.

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FlatheadTed · 03-15-2020, 12:21 AM

Since most rear spare brackets have the studs placed in a triangle the drain concept wouldn't work ,going by post 23 it shows the drain of to the side instead of in the middle of the studs so there would always be a residue of water in there, maybe since the rear spare has the cap facing up its less likely to get water in it anyway .Maybe its meant for side mounts only ,as said there's a left and a right bracket that should place the wheel drain at the bottom providing you have the correct bracket ,

Tinker · 03-15-2020, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercman from oz

That picture shoes the Vales at the top, which is the correct position. Thanks for posting.

Still need to get out and check my 36. "Valves" can be in different positions as shown. Buy the f'n book you cheap suckers

. Not sure they say its definitive. Great publication. Link above. If you care do it. I might not be here to post it or care.

deuce lover · 03-15-2020, 02:53 AM

Tinker,I bought the book in 1998.

Tinker · 03-15-2020, 02:55 AM

Just saying as we debate, the info is there. Not that I didn't add to a standard that exist. or anyone added imagery for a book reference, just their opinion. and my opinion... or just look it up... cheap entertainment for the next few months if they are in print and can get one.

Still think I could clock the outer locking hub to the tire shield.

Ya im difficult.

GaryU. · 03-15-2020, 01:30 PM

Fixed the 1935 wheel on my garage wall today. This came out a horse barn and when cleaning it off I did notice the hole for drainage but never thought why it was located where it was, learn something new almost everyday here.

03-08-2020, 06:11 PM	#41
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,333	Re: Incorrectly mounted Spare Wheels on 1932-1935 Fords Australian 1935 Ford Roadster Ute at Hershey 2019 with spare wheel mounted incorrectly. It is at the bottom so that water can sit around the tube, and in time, if left sitting for a long time, can rust out badly.

03-08-2020, 07:00 PM	#42
Lawson Cox Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Above the gnat line in Georgia Posts: 7,009	Re: Incorrectly mounted Spare Wheels on 1932-1935 Fords Talk about picking nits. There should be a service bulletin on this somewhere. Too bad we lost Larry (Mr. 34) Bailey a few years back. __________________ Life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer to the end, the faster it goes. It is better to be seen, than viewed. "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm".

03-10-2020, 06:04 AM	#43
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,333	Re: Incorrectly mounted Spare Wheels on 1932-1935 Fords Factory Photo of 1934 Ford Sedan Delivery. Note the correct position of Valve - at the top. It also has a locking hubcap.

03-11-2020, 05:32 AM	#44
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,333	Re: Incorrectly mounted Spare Wheels on 1932-1935 Fords Very nice Australian 1933 Ford with the spare wheel mounted incorrectly. The Valve should be at the top.

03-13-2020, 01:08 AM	#46
Brian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Masterton, New Zealand Posts: 3,825	Re: Incorrectly mounted Spare Wheels on 1932-1935 Fords Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Are you sure that's a Kelsey Hayes? __________________ Unfortunately, two half wits don't make a whole wit!

03-13-2020, 12:39 AM	#45
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,333	Re: Incorrectly mounted Spare Wheels on 1932-1935 Fords 1934 Ford with Kelsey Hayes 16 Inch Wire Wheel with Valve mounted in the incorrect position.

03-13-2020, 01:59 AM	#47
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,333	Re: Incorrectly mounted Spare Wheels on 1932-1935 Fords As there were more spokes than the usual Ford 16" Wire Wheel, I just assumed that it was a Kelsey Hayes? I maybe wrong?

03-13-2020, 02:05 AM	#48
Kpar Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Gladstone QLD Australia Posts: 324	Re: Incorrectly mounted Spare Wheels on 1932-1935 Fords Well the reason I set my valve stem at the top of my 33 mount, it saved my old back in bending down to check pressure.

03-13-2020, 02:58 AM	#50
deuce lover Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern France Posts: 5,301	Re: Incorrectly mounted Spare Wheels on 1932-1935 Fords Look at post #12.The '36 spare tire cover face plate has the valve stem hole at the top. Post #45, that is an aftermarket adjustable spoke wheel and TMK not a Kelsey(way to many spokes).Ford spoke wheels had 32 spokes.Kelsey might have been a vendor for Ford-I do not know and if they were I'm sure that their wheel conformed to the Ford specs. The AFTERMARKET 16" Motor Rim & Wheel bent spoke has 36 spokes and the AFTERMARKET 16" bent spoke Kelsey has 40 spokes. Last edited by deuce lover; 03-13-2020 at 03:06 AM.

03-13-2020, 03:03 AM	#51
Tinker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MN Posts: 7,053	Re: Incorrectly mounted Spare Wheels on 1932-1935 Fords I'll go look at my 36 tomorrow and see which way the outer shell is clocked and if I can change it on a 36. 36s were wide fives but yes. Not sure there was standard clock position But maybe. Might be a preference.

03-14-2020, 01:02 AM	#54
mercman from oz Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 10,333	Re: Incorrectly mounted Spare Wheels on 1932-1935 Fords That picture shoes the Vales at the top, which is the correct position. Thanks for posting.

03-14-2020, 08:28 AM	#55
Habusailor Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Fargo North Dakota Posts: 264	Re: Incorrectly mounted Spare Wheels on 1932-1935 Fords This is why I will only show my restored 35 to car shows that only have people’s choice awards. Not to criticize the purest’s but it’s just not for me. I like driving my cars more than showing them so will never have one judged in an AACA or Ford show. I am glad there are those of you out there that swing that way, I have used your expertise many times on getting me through a problem so this not a gripe but rather just my position. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

03-15-2020, 12:21 AM	#56
FlatheadTed Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Auckland Posts: 4,700	Re: Incorrectly mounted Spare Wheels on 1932-1935 Fords Since most rear spare brackets have the studs placed in a triangle the drain concept wouldn't work ,going by post 23 it shows the drain of to the side instead of in the middle of the studs so there would always be a residue of water in there, maybe since the rear spare has the cap facing up its less likely to get water in it anyway .Maybe its meant for side mounts only ,as said there's a left and a right bracket that should place the wheel drain at the bottom providing you have the correct bracket , __________________ http://www.flatheadted.com Flathead Ted brake Floaters , Last edited by FlatheadTed; 03-16-2020 at 02:39 PM.

03-15-2020, 02:53 AM	#58
deuce lover Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern France Posts: 5,301	Re: Incorrectly mounted Spare Wheels on 1932-1935 Fords Tinker,I bought the book in 1998.

03-15-2020, 02:55 AM	#59
Tinker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MN Posts: 7,053	Re: Incorrectly mounted Spare Wheels on 1932-1935 Fords Just saying as we debate, the info is there. Not that I didn't add to a standard that exist. or anyone added imagery for a book reference, just their opinion. and my opinion... or just look it up... cheap entertainment for the next few months if they are in print and can get one. Still think I could clock the outer locking hub to the tire shield. Ya im difficult. Last edited by Tinker; 03-15-2020 at 03:39 AM.

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