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Old 01-12-2016, 11:38 PM   #1
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We are pretty sure we're painting the truck blue like it was on the farm. Is this truck here Washington Blue u think. It's a color listed from 1936. Thanks.
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Old 01-13-2016, 06:49 AM   #2
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Go to this site and on the left is G B Y, see the images there.

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Old 01-13-2016, 06:52 AM   #3
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The original Washington Blue was very dark and in certain light condition
was almost black in appearance. I would recommend going to a local auto paint
supplier in your area and asking them to advise you on what PPG considers to
be their current offering for this shade. Many years ago when I did my 32 5win
I wanted it to be Washington Blue and ended up with a shade of blue that could
have been darker. So, in essence, I would advise taking your time finding the
correct shade as PPG and Xalta (formerly Dupont) shades vary tremendously.
The blue on the truck in the photo also seems too light to me.

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Old 01-13-2016, 07:34 AM   #4
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I was always led to believe there were two Washington Blues, early and late. The chips showing the early colour always appeared very dark but then cars I believed to be accurate either in originality or restoration appeared much lighter, at least they do in pictures. For example;
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Old 01-13-2016, 07:36 AM   #5
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Factory original paint (not wheels!) roadster I believe for which paint may have faded and distorted by photography I guess but would take David Rehors advice as to accuracy...
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Old 01-13-2016, 07:47 AM   #6
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Hard to say without seeing it in person, cameras, lighting all REALLY change the color. From your picture, to me, it looks more Colonial Blue, as the later versions of Washington Blue, as Deuce Addict said, look almost black in low light or shaded areas. BUT your in the ball park between the Washington Blue of Model A, 1932 Era and of 1936 Era.
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Case in point, here are three photos of our 35, the first one in the paint booth looks almost black, the second one in the pure sun light looks almost colonial blue and the third one in a more EVEN light looks Washington Blue
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Old 01-13-2016, 11:17 AM   #8
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Wasn't the 1935 dark blue- Dearborn Blue?
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Old 01-13-2016, 11:38 AM   #9
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The '32 and '36 Washington blues are not the same color. They of course have different "M" numbers as the former was lacquer and the latter enamel, but there were also enamel and lacquer counterparts in both model years for repair purposes. (Ford's list of materials such as paints and primers had unique numbers for each different item on the list and these are known as "M" numbers within Ford.)

As an aside, the M-numbers for the 1932 version remained unchanged throughout 1932 which strongly suggests that there was only one color throughout the model year. Normally Ford assigned a new number when the shade of a paint color was changed, such as the change in the shade of the lacquer color black that occurred in December, 1932.

Robert's photos are testament to the impact of the intensity and source of light can have on color perception, especially on medium and dark colors such as blue, green, and maroon.
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Washington blue, Dearborn Blue, and Duncan Blue. All very confusing to me....
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Not sure it carried into the V8 Era but there was also a Riviera Blue too, in the Model A's
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This may or may not help, I took these at the 05 Western National, same camera, CLOSE to the same light conditions, not sure BUT good comparison of Colonial and Washington MAYBE???
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Robert,

With respect, there are well-defined shadows in the top photo and none in the lower photo so I'd say the light conditions were quite different (as in sun's out and sun's behind a cloud).
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The second may have been taken just before the sun cleared the tree tops in the morning, it was 2005 and hard to remember which order I took the photo's.
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The original Washington Blue was very dark and in certain light condition
was almost black in appearance. I would recommend going to a local auto paint
supplier in your area and asking them to advise you on what PPG considers to
be their current offering for this shade. Many years ago when I did my 32 5win
I wanted it to be Washington Blue and ended up with a shade of blue that could
have been darker. So, in essence, I would advise taking your time finding the
correct shade as PPG and Xalta (formerly Dupont) shades vary tremendously.
The blue on the truck in the photo also seems too light to me.

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You might be thinking about Dearborn Blue? It's almost black, That truck definitely looks like a little lighter (grey primer)Washington Blue.
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Old 01-15-2016, 06:43 PM   #16
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I am not an expert, but here is the car I just finished a few months ago. I used the paint color chip from the old Ditzler /PPG early Ford brochure for Washington Blue #1246 listed for 1931-32 Ford. Compared this chip to the printed color "chip" in David's 32 book and they are visually the same. (one being printed and the other an actual paint chip). Matched this exactly with DuPont Nason single stage paint. Interestingly enough , there is a "standard" color in the Nason paint world that is 99 to 100% exact match. Pics show the finished car. Painted it myself. don't laugh,please. Paint is over black primer/sealer. Note how dark the color is out of direct sunlight (front view) compared to the filtered winter sunlight in the other view. The chip by itself looks almost black until you lay it against an actual black chip or the black belting color on the car.
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I could not find a good Washington blue when I wanted to paint my roadster a few years ago. I saw Bob Drake's new roadster on display at the LA Roadsters show and it was Washington blue. I asked Bob where he found the paint and he asked me to contact contact him after the show. Bob lived up to his word and gave me the paint code for the color he got from his body shop. I took it to my paint supplier and he mixed uo some for me. When I went back to pick it up, He told me it was the same code as '64 Chevy truck Balboa blue. It looks like Washington blue to me and everyone else that sees it.
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We are pretty sure we're painting the truck blue like it was on the farm. Is this truck here Washington Blue u think. It's a color listed from 1936. Thanks.
Hi.... The only Ford Colour I know of close to that is the original Ford colour called Dearborn Blue... 👍
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While we're talking BLUE '36 FORDS, we can't forget "Bambalino Blue"...which of course, can't begin to be confused with Washington Blue. DD


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>>>While we're talking BLUE '36 FORDS, we can't forget "Bambalino Blue"...which of course, can't begin to be confused with Washington Blue. DD>>>


You forgot 'BambinoBlue'. Very similarly spelled. And probably has a different 'M" number. Nothing like 'NavyBlue' or 'HillStreetBlue' both of which can easily pass as one of the two WashingtonBlues. Jack E/NJ
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You forgot 'BambinoBlue'. Very similarly spelled. And probably has a different 'M" number. Nothing like 'NavyBlue' or 'HillStreetBlue' both of which can easily pass as one of the two WashingtonBlues. Jack E/NJ

Sorry, but I've never run across "Bambino" blue. Can you please point me toward some reference to it and learn me somethin'? DD
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Wasn't the 1935 dark blue- Dearborn Blue?

yes, washington 31-32 and 36. To my knowledge.
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Same. Bambino blue is that a chevy iroc color?


28-36 blues. Accent and full color that I am sure of. Sure they carried on with some colors later. just a thumb for the pre 37 cars


Chelsea blue - 1929
Andalusite blue - 1928-29,30
Duchese blue - 1928-29
Gunmetal Blue - 1928
Niagra Blue - 1928-29
Lombard blue - 1931
Riviera blue - 1931
Washington blue - 1931-32, 36
Duncan blue - 1933
Dearborn blue - 1934-35


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Probably 1950-60s the same ppg/Ditzler chip chart as Floyd had/has.

This is a scan so chips are subject to rgb/cymk and printer changes. Certainly not a color reference. Chips are lighter then the scan.
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My 39 Deluxe in Washington Blue
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Beautiful car.
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Now that is what Iíve always thought of as Washington blue. My 35 has spots on the cowl of original paint that are about that color. In low light it almost looks black.
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Washington Blue was not offered in '39.
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Jefferson Blue was the name for 1939.
That 39 deluxe coupe colour seems to my tired old eyes to be fairly close for 1939.
I remember seeing original 37/38 cars back in the 60's ands 70's still with their original paint and it seemed that Washington Blue was quite a bit darker than the 1939 shade.
Down here in NZ some Toyota Hiace vans seem to be pretty close to Jefferson Blue.
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Now that is what Iíve always thought of as Washington blue. My 35 has spots on the cowl of original paint that are about that color. In low light it almost looks black.
Jefferson Blue is quite dark. And, in my opinion, Lyon blue is even darker.
Here's a few of my projects. Guys that know me, know I go to great lengths to achieve absolute correctness.
The '40s are all Lyon Blue. The '39s are all Jefferson Blue. The '36 is Washington Blue.
I tried to show just how much difference lighting can make. Note the '39 in the garage vs. the one in the drive.
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Jefferson Blue was the name for 1939.
That 39 deluxe coupe colour seems to my tired old eyes to be fairly close for 1939.
I remember seeing original 37/38 cars back in the 60's ands 70's still with their original paint and it seemed that Washington Blue was quite a bit darker than the 1939 shade.
Down here in NZ some Toyota Hiace vans seem to be pretty close to Jefferson Blue.
With due respect, the '38 Washington (M1747) and the '39 Jefferson (M1775) were two different colors.
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Kube...Along with everything else that you seem to do, do you also raise Christmas trees? Pretty decent-looking roadster, by the way! DD


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Old 11-20-2019, 01:14 AM   #32
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Ppg washington blue is roadway trucking blue just painted my roadster its listed in fleet colors. It's the darker with black not green like models a' s
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Here is my 34 Tudor in Washington Blue. Lighting makes it good very different.
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To further confuse the issue... My 1930 Tudor is "Andaluite Blue"... Fairly dark.
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To further confuse the issue... My 1930 Tudor is "Andaluite Blue"... Fairly dark.
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This doesn't confuse the issue as it has nothing to do with the subject posed.
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As the original poster asked about a 36. I agree it was covered. But it's still up in the air the actual color really sorta or the modern paint code. I'd say your 36 is as close as it gets. My 36 has spots that are original like the spare tire shroud. Never repainted. As close as that with a bit more wear.

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I wanted a dark blue and found ISUSU Cavalier Blue 1988 . I like it no purple hue almost black in the shade. It's a full acrylic enamel. I have seen many versions of Washington Blue.
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Not even close. Get an authentic paint chip.
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Not even close. Get an authentic paint chip.
Paint chips will typically get a guy close. The problem with paint chips is most darken with age - regardless of how they had been stored.
I have found it best, when possible, to uncover areas that have not seen weather or the light of day since new.
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My 34 roadster painted in single stage acrylic with DP90 primer with Nason old color formula. Driveway paint job with the brides pin stripping.
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Jefferson Blue is quite dark. And, in my opinion, Lyon blue is even darker.
Here's a few of my projects. Guys that know me, know I go to great lengths to achieve absolute correctness.
The '40s are all Lyon Blue. The '39s are all Jefferson Blue. The '36 is Washington Blue.
Which paint brands/lines did you use for these cars? Are they custom-mixed colors or a standard from the catalogs? If the latter, do you have the color codes?
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