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Old 09-27-2014, 08:21 PM   #161
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Thanks Ken, who is the supplier/suppliers for wiring harness, appreciate all the help,
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Old 09-27-2014, 08:44 PM   #162
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Narragansett Reproductions has the wiring harness , great folks to deal with
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Old 09-28-2014, 12:06 PM   #163
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Picked up a couple of books for the 39LZ, not as much info as I was hoping for, like the green bible it shows all model's of Ford that used the same part even if multiple years. Would have been nice to have the LZ info beside the Ford info to share correct parts. Still a lot of fun looking for items that will make car better. I need photos of other 39 transmission and clutch linkage to get idea of correct part or parts my car does not have for clutch adjustment. Also need idea of tire tools that you carry for road side flats, car did not have any jack/tools. Last thing for today, what wiring diagram on the Mac VanPelt site is close to the 39 wiring, thanks Bruce
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Old 09-28-2014, 03:21 PM   #164
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Bruce, I got the wiring harness for the '39 LZ from Rhode Island Wiring. I had some dealings with Narragansett Reproductions recently, unfortunately, my experience was not as good as Ken's... I won't deal with them again.

I have the original bumper jack with the Zephyr, however, I'd only use it for display! Get yourself a good bottle jack for roadside flat fixes.
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Old 09-28-2014, 05:26 PM   #165
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Bruce, I got the wiring harness for the '39 LZ from Rhode Island Wiring. I had some dealings with Narragansett Reproductions recently, unfortunately, my experience was not as good as Ken's... I won't deal with them again.

I have the original bumper jack with the Zephyr, however, I'd only use it for display! Get yourself a good bottle jack for roadside flat fixes.
Vic: Didn't you mean to say to get a good "bottle of Jack (Daniels)"
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Old 09-28-2014, 06:55 PM   #166
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Lawson, I think the Jack Daniels is used to 'jack up' the driver, not the car... LOL
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Old 09-28-2014, 08:52 PM   #167
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There is a thread now on V8 section titled "39 clutch issue " take a look at his photos, look at the clutch release arm. I need to see if I can get a number off the clutch release arm. My 39 Lincoln Zephyr I am working on after I replaced the clutch disc, pressure plate, throw out bearing I still do not have enough travel to release the clutch properly. (free play ) Clutch is releasing but in future I will not have any adjustment because my clutch release arm will hit back of bell housing and I am now maxed out in adjustment. Any information appreciated, Bruce
( 31Pickumup, release arm is at a greater angle towards rear of car which would help me out as far as adjustment and free play )

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Old 10-01-2014, 09:01 PM   #168
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Need some photos of a 39LZ clutch set up to see if my transmission and clutch parts are the correct ones.
TODAY I worked on the rear two tail lights, had to drill top of slotted screws off to release rear lens holder. Next I drilled through the little remaining screws, then drilled the holes out and tapped to accept 10-32 screws, did both sides and cleaned up the rear light housing. ( they were very dirt and non-reflective). Next I mounted the light housings and temporarily powered up the rear electrical items, brake master cylinder switch back to lights, running lights and gas tank gauge wire, everything WORKED. Tomorrow will work on installing rear housings in fenders and move to the head lights and horns.
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Old 10-02-2014, 06:17 AM   #169
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I was on the auction site and found this photo note the length of the threads. Is this side LH thread and the other side RH, making the connection piece truly an adjustment turnbuckle? The other side of the adjustment appears like the Fords and they come in slightly different lengths. Too bad the green parts book does not cover the Lincoln, lengths can be found there. Maybe one of the Lincoln guys can chime in with the proper lengths of the various parts of the linkage.
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Old 10-02-2014, 06:28 AM   #170
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I just finished the rewiring, etc. of the taillights on our '39 LZ. Basically, I did the same things you did however, I painted the housings gloss white (I had painted them silver previously) and the reflective quality of the white is far superior, I should mention that our LZ had been converted to 12 volts.
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There is a thread now on V8 section titled "39 clutch issue " take a look at his photos, look at the clutch release arm. I need to see if I can get a number off the clutch release arm. My 39 Lincoln Zephyr I am working on after I replaced the clutch disc, pressure plate, throw out bearing I still do not have enough travel to release the clutch properly. (free play ) Clutch is releasing but in future I will not have any adjustment because my clutch release arm will hit back of bell housing and I am now maxed out in adjustment. Any information appreciated, Bruce
( 31Pickumup, release arm is at a greater angle towards rear of car which would help me out as far as adjustment and free play )

OK my head hurts thinking about this . Won't you be shortening the adjustment as the clutch wears and the fingers move out?
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Old 10-02-2014, 08:53 PM   #172
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I am now thinking about what you are saying. I had a stuck clutch, I adjusted to get maximum release, so I think what you are saying is ....... correct. Still holding my fingers out in front of me as the clutch fingers. Head not hurting yet, thinking back when I took car apart, this is the way I found clutch. I figured that because transmission covers were removed that they had a stuck clutch. Now after we found synchronizers bad we think that the grinding they had was not because the clutch was not releasing but the sychronizers were bad! Sooo, with this re-visited I am still thinking that you are correct, but I still have to get my free play correct, will work on the adjustment first think in morning and report. It now takes all the travel to release, as it wears the fingers will move back as you said???????????????????????????????????
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Old 10-02-2014, 09:12 PM   #173
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Vic, took car for the first time on a short drive on main road this evening at 6:30PM to what we have up here called "McThursday", small gathering at McDonald's. Wired up the brake lights, tail lights and the generator. The lights drew everyone's attention, they are very bright and some thought they were L E D, clean, bright and good ground makes them bright. The spray can chrome paint really helped me compared to how I found them.
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Old 10-03-2014, 07:59 PM   #174
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I am continuing to fix and complete a list of small items on car, today changed tires around to try and get a better ride. Next needed air cleaner on car, old stock air cleaner had pieces falling out, traveled to O'Reilly's and gave them my old element and we matched up with a nice USA made filter. Will continue to working on wiring and list.
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Old 10-04-2014, 09:01 PM   #175
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Got 39 LZ out today, started early and replaced several more items on list, looked around and it was 11:30 and still 45 degrees outside. Started car and took to house to get lunch, after lunch I went out and started car planning on driving about 16 miles to friends house in the 39. Started car and went about 25 feet and it sounded like the bottom fell out of motor. I immediately turned of engine, started up again, no sound, gave the car a little gas and the noise started again and stopped, drove car slowly to garage, got out and no sound, moved carb linkage and the noise was fan hitting the front of distributor !!!!!??? Stopped engine and the fan blades were separated from the hub on front of engine, now what was up with this. Looked in my chassis parts book that I purchased but no drawings, felt around and could not find any way to attach the blade back to hub. THEN I thought I will call Ken in Alabama to see if he had a answer for what I had broken. He answered and told me that the fan blade assembly was held to front of balancer with three special bolts on back of balancer assembly. I found them, but did I have to remove the radiator to get off, first a pause and no was answer. ( I dodged a bullet there ) I asked why fan was loose and hitting the distributor, found out from him fan blades were pressed on a rubber sleeve/extrusion and not found any where. So I removed fan and will weld fan blade assembly to the hub for a quick fix. I did drive car to friends without fan after this but it was now 3:00PM, cool out and did not have any problem until I talked to long with engine running and it got hot, cooled down as soon as I drove on highway.
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Old 10-05-2014, 12:21 PM   #176
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Not really sure (CRS) but I think Vic had a similar problem.
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Old 10-05-2014, 05:06 PM   #177
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B-O-B, I did have a problem with the fan in our '39 LZ but, I fixed it. Only problem is, I can't remember what I did to correct the problem... I think CRS is contagious...
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I think I will drill the hub and fan, then put 4 bolts, lock washers and nuts to hold together, after I change to 12 volt system I will remove the steel fan and install a electric fan. Will place steel fan and hub on bubble balancer after assembly to check to see if it is safe to use.
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Old 10-05-2014, 08:57 PM   #179
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What about lock tite and no bolts ,
If you remember I had my 600 HP / 1850 ft,lb torque Cummins self distruct
One of the possable reasons could have been cam gear moved on cam shaft changing timing
Now all cam gears are lock tited at time on manufacturing, should hold fan in place.
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Old 10-05-2014, 09:06 PM   #180
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It would be old rubber to a steel fan hub, it was a friction fit, some way they pressed the fan blade assembly hole over the rubber on back side of hub that does bolt to front of balancer. Have plenty of room to drill and bolt, just want it centered up so that it is true. thanks for suggestion, will look at possibility, Bruce
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