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Old 10-07-2021, 01:50 PM   #1
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I just finished changing out the left front brake rod and as I was getting ready to change the right side I noticed that the left and right sides of the front end do not mirror each other.

The left side brake rod is much closer to the shock body than the right side brake rod. The left side dog bone for the shock tilts inward while the right side dog bone is straight. Finally, the left actuating lever is much closer to the dog bone than the right actuating lever.

I can't figure out what is wrong as both shock housing are mounted identically, the actuating levers appear to be symmetrical and the axle mounts appear to be symmetric.

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Old 10-07-2021, 01:56 PM   #2
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Either the spring center bolt is not in the square hole in the crossmember or the frame is bent to the right. How do the body gaps in the hood and radiator shell look? I once had a frame where the hole in the crossmember was elongated and the axle was off to one side.
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Old 10-07-2021, 02:09 PM   #3
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Does the shock arm have same off set ?
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Old 10-07-2021, 02:16 PM   #4
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Are shock bodies the same ?
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Old 10-07-2021, 02:17 PM   #5
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RR shock should be checked
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Old 10-07-2021, 02:25 PM   #6
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All shocks are brand new reproduction shocks (Mike's A Fordable A18015B and A18016B) and are identical (but for left / right differences). When I got the car it had no shocks. I do not know how long this condition existed. The right side tie rod has been replaced as it had a bend in it.
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Old 10-07-2021, 02:35 PM   #7
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All shocks are brand new reproduction shocks (Mike's A Fordable A18015B and A18016B) and are identical (but for left / right differences). When I got the car it had no shocks. I do not know how long this condition existed. The right side tie rod has been replaced as it had a bend in it.
By right side tie rod do you mean the right side of the wishbone? If so, are both sides equal length? There is only one tie right, no right or left.
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Old 10-07-2021, 02:42 PM   #8
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I had a similar issue with my truck.. i couldn't figure out why one wheel was further out in the guard than the other..

Then i looked at where the spring leaf ends sat. a couple of them were bunched to one side. My spring centre bolt was so worn it snapped and let the spring leaves slide across..
Check where you spring leaves end in the pack and make sure they are evenly spread..

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Old 10-07-2021, 02:50 PM   #9
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The spring looks to be centered. I cannot see a center bolt, however (just the U clamps). I have the original non-sprung motor mount if that is relevant. I have the hood off and radiator out at the moment waiting on a new radiator and steering column rebuild. But prior to that the gaps seemed ok - see attached photos
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Old 10-07-2021, 02:55 PM   #10
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The bend was on the right hand side of the tie rod. The bend in the tie rod began just inside of the frame. See photo
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Old 10-07-2021, 03:17 PM   #11
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The springs appear to be symmetrical
Left side (from spring clip) -.25, 0, 1.85, 3.5, 5.5. 7.5"
Right side (from spring clip) -1, 0, 1.75, 3.5, 5.5, 7.5"

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Old 10-07-2021, 04:10 PM   #12
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The spring looks to be centered. I cannot see a center bolt, however (just the U clamps). I have the original non-sprung motor mount if that is relevant. I have the hood off and radiator out at the moment waiting on a new radiator and steering column rebuild. But prior to that the gaps seemed ok - see attached photos
If you have the radiator out you should be able to see the center bolt in the front crossmember.
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Old 10-07-2021, 04:30 PM   #13
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I think that the bolt is hidden by the crank bearing plate. I am a bit leery of opening up the u-bolts to expose the bolt given the pressure on the springs. Thoughts?

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Old 10-07-2021, 04:33 PM   #14
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I think you unfortunately might have a bend frame.

I would get it up in the air and start measuring things.

Years ago we had a car that was hit on the drivers side at the front wheel. Bent axel and frame. Broke wishbone to. It was not that big a job to fix. These cars show you everything.

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Old 10-07-2021, 04:47 PM   #15
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You can remove the ubolts and the crank bearing plate. The weight of the engine will keep the cross member and springs in place and you can inspect if the bolt head is in the square hole. If you are nervous wrap a chain around the xmember.
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Old 10-07-2021, 05:33 PM   #16
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Not sure what type of bolt was used on the spring. Definitely not a square top bolt. Underside nuts were not castellated nor were they cotter pinned. But were tight.

Looks slightly off-center, but not by much.
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Old 10-07-2021, 08:40 PM   #17
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Not sure what type of bolt was used on the spring. Definitely not a square top bolt. Underside nuts were not castellated nor were they cotter pinned. But were tight.

Looks slightly off-center, but not by much.
That crossmember looks like it has been repaired. I would measure from frame rail to center hole on each side to see if the hole is centered in the crossmember. Then replace the center bolt with the correct square headed one.
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Old 10-07-2021, 08:44 PM   #18
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Obvious from the attitude of the shackles L & R something way off on center of axle/spring. What happens if wishbone turned loose?
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Old 10-07-2021, 10:37 PM   #19
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How about a picture of the LF shock and the shock arm
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Old 10-08-2021, 01:54 AM   #20
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That center bolt needs to be replaced with a square head bolt. The round head bolt is moving around and enlarging the crossmember hole. You may have to repair the square hole in the crossmember too.
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