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V8COOPMAN · 03-18-2021, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Marshall V. Daut

I have not personally driven the car, so I don't know about the lock-to-lock steering difference. I'll see if I can duplicate that on jack stands. Is there a reason you ask, V8COOPMAN? Do you see something amiss in that area?

While the car is jacked up, I'll remove one wheel and check for the required adapter spacer. And if there aren't any? Will this stress the lug studs to the point of snapping or throw off the centering of the wheel vis-a-vis the drum?
Marshall, V8 dunce

First question: SEE MY ANSWER in post #20!

Not so much stressing the studs as the fact that the lug holes in the wheels will flex (un-supported) and the nut will cause the perimeters of the holes to crack, and the nut seats in each hole will be wallered-away. It gets ugly pretty QUICK! DD

Marshall V. Daut · 03-18-2021, 08:16 AM

Are these adapter rings available from vendors, should they be missing from this car? Is "adapter ring" even the correct terminology for this part? Would it be a Dennis Carpenter item?
Marshall

richard crow · 03-18-2021, 08:58 AM

if you want to fix it remove eng you can leave the trans. in the car. remove clutch assembly & send to fort wayne clutch. now inspect the flywheel if it has cracks take it to a mechine shop & have it resurfaced .also check the shaft in the transmission that the throw out fork is attached to check the bushings at each end of the shaft if they are worne they will have to be replaced . also check the moter mounts. the rods that people call anti chatter rods are not for clutch chatter they are stay rods there perpose is to hold the eng in place because you have a torque tube drive other wise all the driving force is put on the moter mounts. our shop does about twenty ford clutches a year if you use any of the china junk you will have trouble. ps are our customers are always happy with the relusets

JSeery · 03-18-2021, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marshall V. Daut

Are these adapter rings available from vendors, should they be missing from this car? Is "adapter ring" even the correct terminology for this part? Would it be a Dennis Carpenter item?
Marshall

Yes. I think it is a Model A piston ring that was used ones up on a time!

Mart · 03-18-2021, 09:13 AM

^^ the piston ring may be used in adapting the hydraulic backing plates to the 32 spindles, but not relevant in this case as the car has later spindles.

The spacer for wire wheels on 40s brakes looks like the one in this link.

https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Speed...port,5846.html

JSeery · 03-18-2021, 09:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mart

^^ the piston ring may be used in adapting the hydraulic backing plates to the 32 spindles, but not relevant in this case as the car has later spindles.

The spacer for wire wheels on 40s brakes looks like the one in this link.

https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Speed...port,5846.html

Thanks for the correction Mart! I WAS thinking of the original spindles.

DavidG · 03-18-2021, 10:46 AM

My experience with more than a few '32s is that you cannot remove either a four-cylinder or V8 engine and leave the transmission attached to the dead-end center cross member.

V8COOPMAN · 03-18-2021, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidG

My experience with more than a few '32s is that you cannot remove either a four-cylinder or V8 engine and leave the transmission attached to the dead-end center cross member.

Why couldn't you do just that ......IF you support the front of the TRANSMISSION via a jack, or some other supportive device? DD

Marshall V. Daut · 03-18-2021, 12:32 PM

So, are you all saying because of the later spindles on this '32 Coupe, this spacer ring is not needed in our case with the present wheels?
Marshall

DavidG · 03-18-2021, 12:44 PM

DD,

It's the lack of sufficient clearance at the back of the front cross member that prevent moving the engine far enough forward for the transmission input shaft to clear the back of the engine bell housing and oil pan.

Marshall,

It's the later brake drums/hubs that dictate the need for spacers with '32-'35 wire wheels such as on the subject car, not the spindles.

V8COOPMAN · 03-18-2021, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidG

DD,
It's the lack of sufficient clearance at the back of the front cross member that prevent moving the engine far enough forward for the transmission input shaft to clear the back of the engine bell housing and oil pan.

David ....That makes it clear as mud....understand totally. And thank you! DD

DavidG · 03-18-2021, 03:20 PM

DD,

You're welcome!

richard crow · 03-19-2021, 01:47 PM

david g may you cant. but i have done it several times. twice in the last six mounts. are you removing the grill & radator

DavidG · 03-19-2021, 02:19 PM

Did you mean can't not cant? In any event, of course you remove the grill and radiator. What's the rest of your secret?

V8COOPMAN · 03-19-2021, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidG

Did you mean can't not cant? In any event, of course you remove the grill and radiator. What's the rest of your secret?

Kens 36 · 03-19-2021, 03:43 PM

Good one Coupe. Standing by....

DavidG · 03-19-2021, 06:04 PM

The challenge with the English language is its complexity, which along with scientific German, is the most complex of all languages. It is a very difficult language to learn as a second language. One reason for that complexity is the proximity of many words with slight differences in spelling, punctuation, or pronunciation that have entirely different meanings. The word 'cant' is a stand alone word that is many miles removed from the subject matter and bears no relation to 'cannot' or the contraction 'can't'. Look it up on Google or Wikipedia. I am not trying to make fun of richard crow, but rather trying to understand what he wrote.

V8COOPMAN · 03-19-2021, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidG

The challenge with the English language is its complexity, which along with scientific German, is the most complex of all languages. It is a very difficult language to learn as a second language. One reason for that complexity is the proximity of many words with slight differences in spelling, punctuation, or pronunciation that have entirely different meanings. The word 'cant' is a stand alone word that is many miles removed from the subject matter and bears no relation to 'cannot' or the contraction 'can't'. Look it up on Google or Wikipedia. I am not trying to make fun of richard crow, but rather trying to understand what he wrote.

David.....Who am I to interpret what idea Richard "MEANT" to convey, but with the obvious misspelling, incorrect punctuation, lack of punctuation, incomplete words, and who knows what else, this is MY interpretation of the idea he MAY have been trying to get across.

Richard's original quote:

"david g may you cant. but i have done it several times. twice in the last six mounts. are you removing the grill & radator"

MY interpretation:

DavidG....Maybe you can't remove an engine by itself (without the transmission being attached), but I have done it several times. I have actually done it twice in the past six months. Are you removing the grill and radiator?

By golly, this ol' English language ain't so tough after all. It doesn't take a whole lot of effort to at least get close! But what do I know? DD

........

DavidG · 03-19-2021, 06:55 PM

DD,

Evidently quite a bit!

FritzJr · 03-21-2021, 09:34 PM

Back to the original issue, I would certainly make sure that the "steady rods" were properly in place before deciding that the clutch needs to be replaced. There are some obvious modifications to this car, including the pedal arrangement. I would also make sure that all the pedal linkage is in proper order.

03-18-2021, 08:16 AM	#22
Marshall V. Daut Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Davenport, Iowa Posts: 2,109	Re: Clutch replacement, 1932 Coupe Are these adapter rings available from vendors, should they be missing from this car? Is "adapter ring" even the correct terminology for this part? Would it be a Dennis Carpenter item? Marshall

03-18-2021, 08:58 AM	#23
richard crow Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,767	Re: Clutch replacement, 1932 Coupe if you want to fix it remove eng you can leave the trans. in the car. remove clutch assembly & send to fort wayne clutch. now inspect the flywheel if it has cracks take it to a mechine shop & have it resurfaced .also check the shaft in the transmission that the throw out fork is attached to check the bushings at each end of the shaft if they are worne they will have to be replaced . also check the moter mounts. the rods that people call anti chatter rods are not for clutch chatter they are stay rods there perpose is to hold the eng in place because you have a torque tube drive other wise all the driving force is put on the moter mounts. our shop does about twenty ford clutches a year if you use any of the china junk you will have trouble. ps are our customers are always happy with the relusets

03-18-2021, 09:13 AM	#25
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,744	Re: Clutch replacement, 1932 Coupe ^^ the piston ring may be used in adapting the hydraulic backing plates to the 32 spindles, but not relevant in this case as the car has later spindles. The spacer for wire wheels on 40s brakes looks like the one in this link. https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Speed...port,5846.html

03-18-2021, 10:46 AM	#27
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,094	Re: Clutch replacement, 1932 Coupe My experience with more than a few '32s is that you cannot remove either a four-cylinder or V8 engine and leave the transmission attached to the dead-end center cross member.

03-18-2021, 12:32 PM	#29
Marshall V. Daut Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Davenport, Iowa Posts: 2,109	Re: Clutch replacement, 1932 Coupe So, are you all saying because of the later spindles on this '32 Coupe, this spacer ring is not needed in our case with the present wheels? Marshall

03-18-2021, 12:44 PM	#30
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,094	Re: Clutch replacement, 1932 Coupe DD, It's the lack of sufficient clearance at the back of the front cross member that prevent moving the engine far enough forward for the transmission input shaft to clear the back of the engine bell housing and oil pan. Marshall, It's the later brake drums/hubs that dictate the need for spacers with '32-'35 wire wheels such as on the subject car, not the spindles.

03-18-2021, 03:20 PM	#32
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,094	Re: Clutch replacement, 1932 Coupe DD, You're welcome!

03-19-2021, 01:47 PM	#33
richard crow Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,767	Re: Clutch replacement, 1932 Coupe david g may you cant. but i have done it several times. twice in the last six mounts. are you removing the grill & radator

03-19-2021, 02:19 PM	#34
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,094	Re: Clutch replacement, 1932 Coupe Did you mean can't not cant? In any event, of course you remove the grill and radiator. What's the rest of your secret?

03-19-2021, 03:43 PM	#36
Kens 36 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 374	Re: Clutch replacement, 1932 Coupe Good one Coupe. Standing by.... __________________ https://www.nirgv8.org

03-19-2021, 06:04 PM	#37
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,094	Re: Clutch replacement, 1932 Coupe The challenge with the English language is its complexity, which along with scientific German, is the most complex of all languages. It is a very difficult language to learn as a second language. One reason for that complexity is the proximity of many words with slight differences in spelling, punctuation, or pronunciation that have entirely different meanings. The word 'cant' is a stand alone word that is many miles removed from the subject matter and bears no relation to 'cannot' or the contraction 'can't'. Look it up on Google or Wikipedia. I am not trying to make fun of richard crow, but rather trying to understand what he wrote.

03-19-2021, 06:55 PM	#39
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,094	Re: Clutch replacement, 1932 Coupe DD, Evidently quite a bit!

03-21-2021, 09:34 PM	#40
FritzJr Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Northern Neck, VA Posts: 131	Re: Clutch replacement, 1932 Coupe Back to the original issue, I would certainly make sure that the "steady rods" were properly in place before deciding that the clutch needs to be replaced. There are some obvious modifications to this car, including the pedal arrangement. I would also make sure that all the pedal linkage is in proper order.