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Lawson Cox · 06-18-2022, 04:21 PM

I have searched several ways and cannot find anything on when Ford first started using said bracket. Neither my 34 nor my 36 had one as I recall. Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks a heap.

alanwoodieman · 06-18-2022, 07:40 PM

look on the oil pan rail for a cut out area on the pan rail, that is to allow the clip to lay flat, I have installed them on a 36 tudor that I believe was the first one I ever saw

petehoovie · 06-18-2022, 07:49 PM

I think Ford added it when the 8BA's were introduced...My '53 was equipped with one...

Kube · 06-18-2022, 07:54 PM

I'm not 100% certain but believe these were first installed by the factory on the '38 models.
They were for certain, installed on all '39 models through at least 1948.
Although this bracket could be fitted to earlier engines, I do not believe they were correct.
Mr. Rehor? What say you sir?

DavidG · 06-18-2022, 09:01 PM

Perhaps Alan will enlighten us, but in the meantime, my understanding is the that they were a '38 addition; certainly not before.

petehoovie · 06-18-2022, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidG

Perhaps Alan will enlighten us, but in the meantime, my understanding is the that they were a '38 addition; certainly not before.

Yeah, my '37 didn't have one....

ford38v8 · 06-18-2022, 11:52 PM

Limited numbers of 81A-11140 support brackets were available for service as early as April 1938, and had apparently been installed in production piecemeal until October 1938, when 100% of production included the bracket, which then carried the 91A prefix. This implies that there may have been at least some early 1939 assemblies that were not so equipped with the bracket. The first engine assembly at 100% production was #4690144, The revised oil pan went 100% production at # 4692175 on the same date, October 5, 1938.
The above information courtesy of Gary Mallast, in the 1938-39 Ford Book, available from the EFV8CA. Just one more example of the goldmine of information contained in the Club's published books.

DavidG · 06-19-2022, 02:48 AM

Alan, Thanks!

Lawson Cox · 06-19-2022, 10:41 AM

Thanks Alan. Now to round one up and put it on the display engine. 3rd Gen probably the best bet. Is this site great, or what?

rotorwrench · 06-19-2022, 11:23 AM

It's a wonder that those two long bolts actually do as well as they do about holding the starters on. There must have been enough of them come loose in those early V8 years that Ford finally decided to add the support clip just in case.

51504bat · 06-19-2022, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lawson Cox

Thanks Alan. Now to round one up and put it on the display engine. 3rd Gen probably the best bet. Is this site great, or what?

Joe's Antique Auto lists the bracket.

51A-11140Starter to oil pan attaching
bracket ......................................... 39-486.00 ea

Kube · 06-19-2022, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rotorwrench

It's a wonder that those two long bolts actually do as well as they do about holding the starters on. There must have been enough of them come loose in those early V8 years that Ford finally decided to add the support clip just in case.

I'd figured cases were cracking due to no bracket and that's why Ford added it.
I know in the 60's, Chevy added a bracket to their starters. Many guys would not reinstall it (kind of a pain to do so) and would subsequently find themselves with a broken starter body.

Kube · 06-19-2022, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 51504bat

Joe's Antique Auto lists the bracket.

51A-11140Starter to oil pan attaching
bracket ......................................... 39-486.00 ea

That one will work but is not correct for a 39 - 40 engine.

ravedodger · 06-19-2022, 03:02 PM

I think there are at least two versions of this clip but so could be wrong. I bought one online new, but the new version didn’t fit my 8BA. I think I found an old one on eBay and it fit perfectly.

Kube · 06-19-2022, 03:48 PM

Lawson, keep in mind, the 60HP bracket is not the same as the 85.

Lawson Cox · 06-19-2022, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kube

Lawson, keep in mind, the 60HP bracket is not the same as the 85.

Thanks. Got a picture of one for 60HP? Ain't nuttin da same it seems. LOL

Kube · 06-19-2022, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lawson Cox

Thanks. Got a picture of one for 60HP? Ain't nuttin da same it seems. LOL

I do not have a photo nor do I have dimensions. Sorry.

ford38v8 · 06-19-2022, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kube

Lawson, keep in mind, the 60HP bracket is not the same as the 85.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawson Cox

Thanks. Got a picture of one for 60HP? Ain't nuttin da same it seems. LOL

My apologies, I thought about this earlier but my tummy was growling for lunch. The 60 hp version is 82A-11140A1, no pictures found.

Lawson Cox · 06-19-2022, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ford38v8

My apologies, I thought about this earlier but my tummy was growling for lunch. The 60 hp version is 82A-11140A1, no pictures found.

Thanks for the part number, Alan. I'll bet that'll be a booger to locate. Lawson

VeryTangled · 06-19-2022, 07:13 PM

Hi Everyone, I'm not sure it helps the 60 horse discussion, but two threads about this bracket with pictures from September and July 2011...

Starter to Oil Pan Support Bracket 1937 Ford
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48783

36 Starter to oilpan bracket - Opinions requested
https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43762

06-18-2022, 04:21 PM	#1
Lawson Cox Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Above the gnat line in Georgia Posts: 7,009	Starter to oil pan bracket I have searched several ways and cannot find anything on when Ford first started using said bracket. Neither my 34 nor my 36 had one as I recall. Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks a heap. __________________ Life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer to the end, the faster it goes. It is better to be seen, than viewed. "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm".

06-18-2022, 07:40 PM	#2
alanwoodieman Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: upstate SC Posts: 2,963	Re: Starter to oil pan bracket look on the oil pan rail for a cut out area on the pan rail, that is to allow the clip to lay flat, I have installed them on a 36 tudor that I believe was the first one I ever saw

06-18-2022, 07:49 PM	#3
petehoovie Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 8,063	Re: Starter to oil pan bracket I think Ford added it when the 8BA's were introduced...My '53 was equipped with one... __________________ The only thing nice about being imperfect is the joy it brings to others.... *"Silver rings, your butt! Them's washers!"* "We shot our way out of that town for a dollar's worth of steel holes!" - from 'The Wild Bunch' - 1969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NReUd2_0u0 Last edited by petehoovie; 06-18-2022 at 08:08 PM.

06-18-2022, 09:01 PM	#5
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,090	Re: Starter to oil pan bracket Perhaps Alan will enlighten us, but in the meantime, my understanding is the that they were a '38 addition; certainly not before.

06-18-2022, 11:52 PM	#7
ford38v8 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 6,631	Re: Starter to oil pan bracket Limited numbers of 81A-11140 support brackets were available for service as early as April 1938, and had apparently been installed in production piecemeal until October 1938, when 100% of production included the bracket, which then carried the 91A prefix. This implies that there may have been at least some early 1939 assemblies that were not so equipped with the bracket. The first engine assembly at 100% production was #4690144, The revised oil pan went 100% production at # 4692175 on the same date, October 5, 1938. The above information courtesy of Gary Mallast, in the 1938-39 Ford Book, available from the EFV8CA. Just one more example of the goldmine of information contained in the Club's published books. __________________ Alan

06-18-2022, 07:54 PM	#4
Kube Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 8,985	Re: Starter to oil pan bracket I'm not 100% certain but believe these were first installed by the factory on the '38 models. They were for certain, installed on all '39 models through at least 1948. Although this bracket could be fitted to earlier engines, I do not believe they were correct. Mr. Rehor? What say you sir? __________________ "I can explain it for you. However, I can't understand it for you".

06-19-2022, 02:48 AM	#8
DavidG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: southeastern Michigan Posts: 10,090	Re: Starter to oil pan bracket Alan, Thanks!

06-19-2022, 10:41 AM	#9
Lawson Cox Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Above the gnat line in Georgia Posts: 7,009	Re: Starter to oil pan bracket Thanks Alan. Now to round one up and put it on the display engine. 3rd Gen probably the best bet. Is this site great, or what? __________________ Life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer to the end, the faster it goes. It is better to be seen, than viewed. "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm".

06-19-2022, 11:23 AM	#10
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,416	Re: Starter to oil pan bracket It's a wonder that those two long bolts actually do as well as they do about holding the starters on. There must have been enough of them come loose in those early V8 years that Ford finally decided to add the support clip just in case.

06-19-2022, 03:02 PM	#14
ravedodger Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 14	Re: Starter to oil pan bracket I think there are at least two versions of this clip but so could be wrong. I bought one online new, but the new version didn’t fit my 8BA. I think I found an old one on eBay and it fit perfectly.

06-19-2022, 03:48 PM	#15
Kube Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 8,985	Re: Starter to oil pan bracket Lawson, keep in mind, the 60HP bracket is not the same as the 85. __________________ "I can explain it for you. However, I can't understand it for you".

06-19-2022, 07:13 PM	#20
VeryTangled Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: (Not far enough...) Outside of DC Posts: 3,387	Re: Starter to oil pan bracket Hi Everyone, I'm not sure it helps the 60 horse discussion, but two threads about this bracket with pictures from September and July 2011... Starter to Oil Pan Support Bracket 1937 Ford https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48783 36 Starter to oilpan bracket - Opinions requested https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43762 __________________ -Jeff H Have you thought about supporting the Early Ford V-8 Foundation Museum?

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