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maph2 · 03-31-2022, 02:03 PM

I understand its possible to fit a Model A block/engine to a Model T pan and transmission. Is there any more info out there on what needs to be considered?

J Franklin · 03-31-2022, 02:17 PM

Why would you even want to do this???? Anything is possible if you have enough money and willpower.

maph2 · 03-31-2022, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by J Franklin

Why would you even want to do this???? Anything is possible if you have enough money and willpower.

A) I have a T speedster project/gow/rod whatever
B) I'm not in 'murica so T engines aren't that common
C) my T engine is in bits
D) I have complete running A engine

Any "actual" info would be helpful, not just a load of negatives please.

Y-Blockhead · 03-31-2022, 05:06 PM

Is there any reason you can not use the Model A transmission? It sure would simplify your life.

29spcoupe · 03-31-2022, 05:28 PM

A friend of mine mated a Model A block to a Model T pan and tranny. He wanted the 40 hp engine, but still wanted it to drive like a Model T. It was truly a work of art. He had, in effect, 40 hp Model T. John

J Franklin · 03-31-2022, 06:00 PM

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When you get this swap on, take a lot of photos. I think it would be very interesting to share.

J Franklin · 03-31-2022, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead

Is there any reason you can not use the Model A transmission? It sure would simplify your life.

I agree since the T transmission and bands add a lot of weight and weakness.

maph2 · 04-01-2022, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Y-Blockhead

Is there any reason you can not use the Model A transmission? It sure would simplify your life.

T braking is mostly via the transmission so i want to keep the T transmission. No front brakes.

maph2 · 04-01-2022, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by J Franklin

I agree since the T transmission and bands add a lot of weight and weakness.

my A engine is a 2 litre small bore version but T tranmissions happily take hopped up engine power eg rajo ohv conversions

rotorwrench · 04-01-2022, 02:26 PM

A lot of folks used an over under box in the final drive or a Ruckstell axle. A person doesn't get much with the T planetary two speed.

The model A engine has a lot more potential than the T engine and is heavier. The T frame is so flexible it bends if you only lift one corner. Personally, I like to be able to stop as least as well as go. The late 26 & 27 Ts were the best ones to speedsterize. If I was going model A then I'd stay with later frame and equipment even if I had to fabricate it. The T stuff was never made for high speeds. The T was the end of the horseless carriage era.

FRANK PKNY · 04-28-2022, 08:44 PM

John the guy was Gus Lovey from Kingston NY

A family member inherited the car after his death. I wonder where the car is today?

29spcoupe · 04-29-2022, 06:17 AM

Frank, the last I heard, it was with his grandson in Kansas.

jimTN · 04-29-2022, 08:17 AM

It would be a lot simpler to get a good HC head and hot cam and build the t block.

rotorwrench · 04-29-2022, 09:55 AM

Ford made over 15-million Ts so quite a few made it to other parts of the world. I'd start looking for T folks in your neck of the woods. You may be surprised about what's out there.

JoeBauer · 04-29-2022, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jimTN

It would be a lot simpler to get a good HC head and hot cam and build the t block.

Yup. CID is basically the same with T and A blocks, and they both are L head. HC head and Stipe cam help a lot, but get more power by using an A intake and exhaust manifold, then an A carburetor which is far superior to the T carburetor. And a distributor fires much more accurately than buzz coils.

39portlander · 04-29-2022, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by J Franklin

Why would you even want to do this???? Anything is possible if you have enough money and willpower.

Funny...I fail to see the load of negatives.

Exactly, why. Keep the running A, there are sooooooo many model A's out there with non running gear to be had for cheap and putt'er in.

Want a T, buy a T. Unfortunately the price of these buggers has doubled over the last few years. Good luck and lettuce know how you make out.

redmodelt · 04-29-2022, 07:55 PM

Ah heck just drop in the V8 60!

J Franklin · 04-29-2022, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by redmodelt

Ah heck just drop in the V8 60!

That would be fun! My Dad told me a story about as a young man he was a reporter for the local news and had a ride in a stock looking model T. The owner was a racer and had put an offy engine in the car and was teasing a few large car owners into racing.

29spcoupe · 04-29-2022, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by redmodelt

Ah heck just drop in the V8 60!

I was on a tour with a guy from NJ who had a '27 T roadster with a V8 60 in it.
That thing could move!

Quiggs88 · 09-20-2022, 06:07 PM

My name is James Quigley and my great grandfather was Gus Lovy. His 1924 Model T is still in the family. It currently is and has been in Oklahoma since he passed away I think about 20 years ago now. I actually talked to Donald Lovy who currently has it and we agreed to bring it back to New York. We plan on getting it here for the 2023 Rhinebeck car show.

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John the guy was Gus Lovey from Kingston NY

A family member inherited the car after his death. I wonder where the car is today?

03-31-2022, 02:03 PM	#1
maph2 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2022 Posts: 4	Mating a model A engine to T pan and trans I understand its possible to fit a Model A block/engine to a Model T pan and transmission. Is there any more info out there on what needs to be considered?

03-31-2022, 02:17 PM	#2
J Franklin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,961	Re: Mating a model A engine to T pan and trans Why would you even want to do this???? Anything is possible if you have enough money and willpower.

03-31-2022, 05:06 PM	#4
Y-Blockhead Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 5,849	Re: Mating a model A engine to T pan and trans Is there any reason you can not use the Model A transmission? It sure would simplify your life.

03-31-2022, 05:28 PM	#5
29spcoupe Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Rhinebeck, NY Posts: 761	Re: Mating a model A engine to T pan and trans A friend of mine mated a Model A block to a Model T pan and tranny. He wanted the 40 hp engine, but still wanted it to drive like a Model T. It was truly a work of art. He had, in effect, 40 hp Model T. John

03-31-2022, 06:00 PM	#6
J Franklin Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,961	Re: Mating a model A engine to T pan and trans Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) When you get this swap on, take a lot of photos. I think it would be very interesting to share.

04-01-2022, 02:26 PM	#10
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,426	Re: Mating a model A engine to T pan and trans A lot of folks used an over under box in the final drive or a Ruckstell axle. A person doesn't get much with the T planetary two speed. The model A engine has a lot more potential than the T engine and is heavier. The T frame is so flexible it bends if you only lift one corner. Personally, I like to be able to stop as least as well as go. The late 26 & 27 Ts were the best ones to speedsterize. If I was going model A then I'd stay with later frame and equipment even if I had to fabricate it. The T stuff was never made for high speeds. The T was the end of the horseless carriage era.

04-28-2022, 08:44 PM	#11
FRANK PKNY Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: POUGHKEEPSIE NY 12601 Posts: 1,016	Re: Mating a model A engine to T pan and trans John the guy was Gus Lovey from Kingston NY A family member inherited the car after his death. I wonder where the car is today? __________________ [email protected]

04-29-2022, 06:17 AM	#12
29spcoupe Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Rhinebeck, NY Posts: 761	Re: Mating a model A engine to T pan and trans Frank, the last I heard, it was with his grandson in Kansas.

04-29-2022, 08:17 AM	#13
jimTN Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Powell, TN Posts: 2,509	Re: Mating a model A engine to T pan and trans It would be a lot simpler to get a good HC head and hot cam and build the t block.

04-29-2022, 09:55 AM	#14
rotorwrench Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 16,426	Re: Mating a model A engine to T pan and trans Ford made over 15-million Ts so quite a few made it to other parts of the world. I'd start looking for T folks in your neck of the woods. You may be surprised about what's out there.

04-29-2022, 07:55 PM	#17
redmodelt Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland OR Posts: 6,340	Re: Mating a model A engine to T pan and trans Ah heck just drop in the V8 60! __________________ I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas!