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Old 12-19-2014, 11:28 AM   #261
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Although I have no experience with bangers, I have been following this thread with interest. I admire your persistence, and congratulations on getting it apart.
Thanks... I am new to the automotive field so have no feel for the forces that
these machines can withstand
therefore I am too cautious...so a pain in the neck...
But I just do not want to break anything.
Thanks for your kind words
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Great job Frank!! Patience is a virtrue. I too have been following the thread, so happy for you. Been there, done that so I know the feeling of accomplishment.
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Old 12-19-2014, 11:41 AM   #263
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In the future if you ever have to remove or insert a bolt or nut with a lot of force always use a six sided socket. They even make sockets for impacts with a thick wall to take the forces. The 12 sided sockets will not take the force necessary without rounding the corners of the hex. Breaking a socket, breaker bar, or a wrench can result in a lot of hurt! Quality tools are worth every cent!
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Old 12-19-2014, 11:48 AM   #264
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So glad you got it off! I was pulling for you. The rest is easy now.
Merry Christmas
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Old 12-19-2014, 12:20 PM   #265
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In the future if you ever have to remove or insert a bolt or nut with a lot of force always use a six sided socket. They even make sockets for impacts with a thick wall to take the forces. The 12 sided sockets will not take the force necessary without rounding the corners of the hex. Breaking a socket, breaker bar, or a wrench can result in a lot of hurt! Quality tools are worth every cent!
Great info. You are so right about tools.
As a self taught watchmaker....I know that quality tools are the only way to go!
I have to stay away from Harbor freight!
The store is so close to me that I was sucked in.
When purchasing 6 sided sockets what do I ask for....6 sided sockets.
Should I get craftsman or go for snapon.
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Old 12-19-2014, 12:20 PM   #266
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[QUOTE=Terry,OH;1000612]In the future if you ever have to remove or insert a bolt or nut with a lot of force always use a six sided socket. QUOTE]

This one's not your common "6-point" nut. DD

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Old 12-19-2014, 12:57 PM   #267
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I know that quality tools are the only way to

When purchasing 6 sided sockets what do I ask for....6 sided sockets.
Should I get craftsman or go for snapon.
Snap-On is what is used at the educational auto shop I work in so I get to use them quite a bit, we have three or more of almost every product they make. Nice tools, good warranty/service, too pricey for my blood.

Since I was a kid I've put Craftsman in my personal toolbox. Never had a replacement issue, but I've only broken one or two ratchets of theirs. One point, when I replaced my last ratchet, about ten years ago, I was given a refurbished not brand new replacement. As long as it works, it actually makes me happier to know it had a previous life.

IMHO any tool that offers lifetime replacement is what I'd look for, so there are a number of brands that fit. Convenient service is nice. USA made is preferred.

The sockets that were recommended by Terry OH, are sometimes called "six-pointed" and the advice covers both sockets and box-end wrenches. The six-pointed make a better grip on the fastener. The alternative 12-pointed are easier to get onto the fastener, but don't make as good a purchase on the fastener.
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Old 12-19-2014, 01:06 PM   #268
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That's excellent advice about using six-point sockets. I rarely use the twelve-point versions for the reason cited plus in a restoration they don't damage the plating of fasteners when installing them.

I've used Craftsman tools forever and none have required replacement, except for a couple of screwdrivers where the tips were worn (I was surprised that they replaced them for that reason).
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Old 12-19-2014, 01:43 PM   #269
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I will get craftsman from now on...
Snapon tools are beautiful but too expensive.
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Old 12-19-2014, 01:44 PM   #270
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Trying to inch off the old timing gear.....very tight...
This will take a while
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Old 12-19-2014, 02:06 PM   #271
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I'm not a fan of SnapOn wrenches, I have a few normal (9/16ths 1/2in) and a few large ones (1-1/8th and 1 and 1/16th) and all are too "sharp" I guess the word is, where you handle them, tend to feel the wrench too much on tough nuts and bolts.

Sure are shiny though

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Old 12-19-2014, 02:24 PM   #272
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I will get craftsman from now on...
Snapon tools are beautiful but too expensive.
It may be too late; Sears ain't what it used to be. I've gone through about three 1/4" drive ratchets in the last 10 years. Make sure you know exactly what the store will do if something turns out wrong.
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Old 12-19-2014, 02:29 PM   #273
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Great news Frank! Now smile, take a deep breath and move on to the next head scratcher.
How many hours did you put in thinking through the process before you actually got it done. I find that the hours I actually spend "wrenching" are usually wrapped up in five times that amount of time fixing it in my head.
Well worth the effort no matter what it costs. Good news is that the older I get the less I remember and in retrospect the project didn't seem to take very long at all.
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Old 12-19-2014, 02:37 PM   #274
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X two on what tubman said. Craftsman is made in china now. Only place you can get made in USA is swap meets or garage sales. As you said Snap on, Mac, and Cornwell are expensive.
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Old 12-19-2014, 02:44 PM   #275
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Anyone use Husky from Home Depot, neighbor bought a set, they look good.
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Old 12-19-2014, 03:23 PM   #276
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Well done Frank.

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Old 12-19-2014, 03:25 PM   #277
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Great news Frank! Now smile, take a deep breath and move on to the next head scratcher.
How many hours did you put in thinking through the process before you actually got it done. I find that the hours I actually spend "wrenching" are usually wrapped up in five times that amount of time fixing it in my head.
Well worth the effort no matter what it costs. Good news is that the older I get the less I remember and in retrospect the project didn't seem to take very long at all.
Time goes so very fast... I usually get one good step done each day..
Because if I rush I make mistakes. Tomorrow comes so fast for me that It seems almost seemless anyway.
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Old 12-20-2014, 06:11 PM   #278
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Finally, with the aid of a puller I got the damaged Timing gear off,
Put the nut back on the shaft and with the wrench I was able to turn the shaft.
Checked the distributor and observed the distributor was turning as I turned the shaft...the points were opening and closing.
Looks like my original Ford Timing gear finally gave out after 80 years.. Not bad for pre technological age "Plastic". I would like to see the plastic gears on my sears tractor last 80 years! Now the decision...Plastic or aluminum timing gear.
My biggest concern is longevity and sound. I know I will not be around in 80 years..
I just don;t want my 95 percent original car to sound like a Mix Master kitchen appliance.
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Well done Frank.
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Frank, glad it seems like the cam and distributor are turning ok. Did you go beyond one complete turn?

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