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Old 04-29-2018, 10:19 PM   #1
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Wink Don't think LED lights or seat belts would have helped...

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I knew what it was a soon as I opened the picture. Never could understand why the they built closed trucks and open cars. Burr! Bet if the tire was fixed she would still go, but I am thinking they were still driving it even with the bad wheel/tire and dirty windshield.
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I knew what it was a soon as I opened the picture. Never could understand why the they built closed trucks and open cars. Burr! Bet if the tire was fixed she would still go, but I am thinking they were still driving it even with the bad wheel/tire and dirty windshield.
extra roof steel is more beneficial to things that propel other things down range
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Writing/signs on the back on the "A" look like German tactical markings.

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Looks like it got shot up during a battle, what with all of those holes in her.

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? Sorry I don't get that.
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? Sorry I don't get that.
why waste steel on a car roof when it can be used to make a T34 tank. Towards the end of the war Russia was running outa everything. 2 men to 1 gun 15 rounds to share.

Picture and caption is kinda confusing as its says "Gaza" which is in present day Israel (aka friggin hot so open car made more sense and lighter to not get stuck in sand as easy) yet the Ruskies never got to north africa - too busy with Germans on the eastern front. Germans, US, Brittish did duke it out in north africa so if those are German markings it makes sense.
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...Picture and caption is kinda confusing as its says "Gaza"...
I took that to mean "GAZ A", like this model car:

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You guys guessed it; it's a GAZ A staff car shot-up by Fascists during "Operation Barbarossa". Over the course of the operation, about four million Axis powers personnel, the largest invasion force in the history of warfare, invaded the western Soviet Union along a 2,900-kilometer (1,800 mi) front. In addition to troops, the Wehrmacht employed some 600,000 motor vehicles, and between 600,000 and 700,000 horses for non-combat operations.

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...but what they didn't have were GAZ A, GAZ AA and GAZ AAA as well as armoured vehicles based on these trucks.
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Never could understand why the they built closed trucks and open cars.
Open cars were cheaper and easier to make. They needed trucks badly in such a huge country plus trucks can be used to transport people too.
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They were building the GAZ before the war and in such a cold country for a good part of the year. That's why the question. I understand the lower cost.
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The second picture is of a Delux pickup with the special bed correct? Anywho, I wonder why the wheels are off of it? I mean someone had jack the car up remove the wheels and put the car back on the ground. Why?

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The second picture is of a Delux pickup with the special bed correct? Anywho, I wonder why the wheels are off of it? I mean someone had jack the car up remove the wheels and put the car back on the ground. Why?

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Same reason modern cars can be found on the ground with no wheels - someone else needed em. Hoods open as well so might have had some catastrophic issue that parts were salvaged from. Wartime noone had any gas so vehicles sat, rubber was used elsewhere for war machines and its russia so if the govt wanted it they took it.
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I think the Russkie's also used the GAZ-A wire wheels for their light (37 mm)
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It's a GAZ-4 pickup truck (1933–1937).

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It's a GAZ-4 pickup truck (1933–1937).

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Not exactly a Deluxe Pickup but looks like it was inspired by one. Can't tell for sure from the pix but looks like the bed side doesn't overlap the cab like a Deluxe. Painted headlights, bed rails, bumper and cowl band, no cowl lights but it has a bright radiator shell like a Deluxe. But it's the AA style without the "widow's peak".

Edit: Just noticed the first pic has bright headlights and tail light and different wheels - maybe a later version?

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Here's some more GAZ-4 pics

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Here's a restored car but seems they used a USA style taillight which I think is incorrect.
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A couple of videos on building Russian tanks during that time

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why waste steel on a car roof when it can be used to make a T34 tank. Towards the end of the war Russia was running outa everything. 2 men to 1 gun 15 rounds to share.

Picture and caption is kinda confusing as its says "Gaza" which is in present day Israel (aka friggin hot so open car made more sense and lighter to not get stuck in sand as easy) yet the Ruskies never got to north africa - too busy with Germans on the eastern front. Germans, US, Brittish did duke it out in north africa so if those are German markings it makes sense.
We Australians were there too, in fact, it was an Australian invention that broke the deadlock over there.
As each side got anew shipment of tanks, they would get stuck into the other side and the front would move back and forth. That went on for quite a while till engineers in Melbourne, Australia worked out how to make a steel casting much larger than ever before. Up till then, the largest was about the size of a football. With the new technology, a tank could be made in three castings, the floor (chassis), the body and the turret. We didn’t have the industrial capacity to take advantage of it so we showed the US how to do it and tanks started to come off the production line like sausages. The allies were then able to maintain a greater supply of tanks and the Germans were defeated. That allowed our troops to head home where they were very badly needed to stop the Japs. Churchill tried to “steal” them for Britain and let Australia fall. Our PM told him where to go and the troops arrived back home just in time to stop the Japs on the Kokoda trail. Churchill is still reviled here!
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