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Old 06-03-2012, 02:35 PM   #1
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Im wondering how model A hold up in a crash of different speeds dose any one have any pics of model As after crashes im just curious.
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Old 06-03-2012, 03:22 PM   #2
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I don't recall the circumstances though. I believe it was hit head on by full size pickup, the A going about 25?



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I believe the most dangerous time for American automobiles would be the late 50's and early 60's. These cars had a lot of power and speed and the last thing on the mfr's mind was safety. It is hard to believe now but we did not even have seat belts. The dashes and instruments in these cars could be extremly dangerous to passengers. Anybody agree or disagree.
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not good . do not try this at home !
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So far, I would say lousy.
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Old 06-03-2012, 04:11 PM   #8
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' Anybody agree or disagree ' ?? You bet !! I agree.. I was born and grew up in the business,, my Grandfather would take me on wrecker calls while I was still in diapers.. I've pulled too many folks out of those cars and off of steering shafts.. The new iron[ or maybe I should say plastic] is much better and safer,, but,, they just don't don't have the character the old ones do..
The picture of that pheaton makes me cringe..
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Old 06-03-2012, 04:24 PM   #9
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That picture of the 28 phaeton made me sick..... It is a early 1928 [with no outside door handles....] ...
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A bunch...
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More...

Almost positive the coupe standing up on its nose is a Model A, not sure though...
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:00 PM   #12
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This is not an "A" wreck, but one that caught on fire in Montana.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:04 PM   #13
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Not "A" wrecks, but earlier and others.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:22 PM   #14
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My wife's grandmother was killed in 1934; she was driving a 1929 Roadster and went off the road on a grade in Mariposa, CA. A lady passenger surived the crash.

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I believe the most dangerous time for American automobiles would be the late 50's and early 60's. These cars had a lot of power and speed and the last thing on the mfr's mind was safety. It is hard to believe now but we did not even have seat belts. The dashes and instruments in these cars could be extremly dangerous to passengers. Anybody agree or disagree.
Sorry I have to disagree with "the last thing on the mfg's mind was safety" part of your statement. If you study Ford history or lived in the mid to late 50's you will know of Ford's 1956 Safety advertising campaign touting their padded dashboards, dished steering wheel, padded visors, seat belts, etc. The sad thing was that safety did NOT sale. In fact the campaign backfired on Ford as the public felt like Fords must be unsafe cars since they were pushing safety items. I think the other car companies learned from Fords misjudgement of the buying public and did not make a fuss over safety.

Sure cars of the 50's and 60's were relatively "unsafe" with their big engines, solid steel construction, drum brakes, etc but todays cars are just as "unsafe", if not more so, with their moron distracted drivers with all of the gadgets such as GPS, cell phones, CD players, etc. I think I had better odds driving in the 50's and 60's than in todays traffic.

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Old 06-03-2012, 06:47 PM   #16
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Here is my first hand experience with my ex-31 Roadster a few years back. Was going about 45 a guy suddenly pulled out in front of me. No seatbelt and I went flying. Not recommended for the faint of heart, trust me.

Let me put in a plug for seat belts here.....
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I believe the most dangerous time for American automobiles would be the late 50's and early 60's. These cars had a lot of power and speed and the last thing on the mfr's mind was safety. It is hard to believe now but we did not even have seat belts. The dashes and instruments in these cars could be extremly dangerous to passengers. Anybody agree or disagree.
I would tend to agree. I remember some really horrific looking crashes back when I was a kid in the 50s.Some so bad you couldn't tell what kind of car it was anymore.
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Old 06-03-2012, 08:42 PM   #19
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On a scale of 1 to 100. What is the pucker factor in Mr. Henry Grants catering truck. Post #12.
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:10 PM   #20
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Below is not a Model A wreck, but a Model T wreck.

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Sorry I have to disagree with "the last thing on the mfg's mind was safety" part of your statement. If you study Ford history or lived in the mid to late 50's you will know of Ford's 1956 Safety advertising campaign touting their padded dashboards, dished steering wheel, padded visors, seat belts, etc. The sad thing was that safety did NOT sale. In fact the campaign backfired on Ford as the public felt like Fords must be unsafe cars since they were pushing safety items. I think the other car companies learned from Fords misjudgement of the buying public and did not make a fuss over safety.

Sure cars of the 50's and 60's were relatively "unsafe" with their big engines, solid steel construction, drum brakes, etc but todays cars are just as "unsafe", if not more so, with their moron distracted drivers with all of the gadgets such as GPS, cell phones, CD players, etc. I think I had better odds driving in the 50's and 60's than in todays traffic.
I agree. That's why I want my first and only car to be a Model A Ford. No distractions to cause problems.

I do agree with the today's cars being just as dangerous part. Cars today, sure have airbags. Airbags that deploy and can easily break someone's neck as well as starve them for air. Sadly, today's cars have distractions such as "GPS" and Computers that are built right inside the dashboard where you can easily get distracted. To add, Radio's. When I was 2 I was involved in a car wreck because someone tuning the radio. The good part of it is that car's made today are mostly made of plastic. Some plastics are easily breakable and can't really "cut" you, but some plastics (like the plastic they make the dashboard of car's out of) are hard and can really cut you up like a steak knife.
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in the above wrecked 28 phaeton, the circumstances were, to the best of my recollection:

There were 4 people in this car. It was hit head on at 45 mph by a toyota truck turning left and trying not to have to stop to let them pass. They had seatbelts and all survived. The front passengers suffered serious injury: crushed ribs, broken legs, etc, but they recovered, albeit slowly. The car was restored by the Rouge River A's and ran again, only to be hit head on once more with 2 passengers. They survived as well because they had seatbelts. My poor friend Ewart was killed in a similar accident in his tudor, when he was thrown on to the pavement from the car, as he had no seatbelt.
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Here's a ( ahem) " handy" comparison of older cars and speedsters in wrecks. you'll recognize a Model A in the last crash... but it was the poor chevy driver who ate it. Please folks, wear a seat belt, and head gear if you drive a speedster. I still see far too many old cars without seat belts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcHIWQduLjk
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in the above wrecked 28 phaeton, the circumstances were, to the best of my recollection:

There were 4 people in this car. It was hit head on at 45 mph by a toyota truck turning left and trying not to have to stop to let them pass. They had seatbelts and all survived. The front passengers suffered serious injury: crushed ribs, broken legs, etc, but they recovered, albeit slowly. The car was restored by the Rouge River A's and ran again, only to be hit head on once more with 2 passengers. They survived as well because they had seatbelts. My poor friend Ewart was killed in a similar accident in his tudor, when he was thrown on to the pavement from the car, as he had no seatbelt.
Please note that in the crash photos, the body of the vehicle never left the frame. Attaching the seatbelts to the frame should not be a worry.
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Here's a ( ahem) " handy" comparison of older cars and speedsters in wrecks. you'll recognize a Model A in the last crash... but it was the poor chevy driver who ate it. Please folks, wear a seat belt, and head gear if you drive a speedster. I still see far too many old cars without seat belts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcHIWQduLjk

might sound crazy but that seems like a bloody blast!!!!! makes me want to build a speedster.
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Long Beach, California 6.4 earthquake. Struck at 5:55 P.M. March 10, 1933.

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is this the one you meant, Tom?
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Question on post # 12 about "Pucker-Factor" If I was driving it, would have been 379! Did I win something??
Strangely though, I never ever remember seeing a badly wrecked Model A, just a few fender benders and in the '50's, I worked in a wrecking yard also. In England, they are known as "breaking yards." Bill W.
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One thing that struck me was the lack of fiery explosions, Ala Hollywood. Just one photo of a burned A and it wasn't in a wreck! Yet drivers and passengers rode with the gas tank in their laps!
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Old Cars Weekly (Krause Publications) has a book "Antique Car Wrecks"........ "with over two hundred selected photos stressing driving safety among collectors". copyright 1990. It is not just Model A wrecks but other cars as well. All pictures are pre 60's.
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surely there would be statistics going back to some time frame about wrecks/fatalities per 1000 vehicles; though I suspect the system did not maintain those kinds of studies in Model "A" days though insurance companies must have had some idea....
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One thing that struck me was the lack of fiery explosions, Ala Hollywood. Just one photo of a burned A and it wasn't in a wreck! Yet drivers and passengers rode with the gas tank in their laps!
I personally think that it's the best place for the tank. You never see it hit unless it's a rollover or it's crash so hard into the passenger compartment. The only downside is the potential for leakage.
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At what point do you think the driver of this coupe realized things weren't exactly going well?

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That picture of the 28 phaeton made me sick..... It is a early 1928 [with no outside door handles....] ...
All 28 open cars and trucks did not have outside handles, not just the so called AR early cars.
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As they say speed kills. When the Model A went on sale the speed limit outside of the city was 35MPH. It was only 15MPH in the business districts and 20MPH in the residential areas. It appears from the collisions people were exceeding the speed limits of the time.
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This is the stuff that has gotten scary for me, now that my cars are all put together nice and driveable, I'm afraid to get hit by some idiot adjusting his cell phone settings or another fool pulling out just in front.

You guys all be careful this winter with wet roads and stormy weather!!!!
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When I see the pictures I am thinking what parts I could salvage.
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If you look at the fatalities now,and the fatalities then you can really how much safer we are now with the faster cars,heavier trucks,cell phones,texting,GPS,CD players,etc.I have a few old state inspection stickers I've collected over the years.In the late 30's N.H.would put the amount of fatalities for the previous year on the back of the sticker.In 38 or 39 the sticker reads 102 fatalities for the previous year.That was for a fraction of the cars we have on the road now.And it was done with slower,low distraction cars.The distractions now are scaring me.I see it on a daily basis.I watched a fellow a few days ago stop on main street while talking on the phone,then hit the gas and blow right through the stop sign a quarter mile away.He acted like he was on a clear road.Never even knew it was there.A local cop saw it and went after him.He later told us that he followed him with the lights on and blipping the siren for nearly two miles before the guy noticed him and hung the phone up.He was a half mile into the next town before he got him stopped.That guy didn't get any kind of a break.
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Here's a ( ahem) " handy" comparison of older cars and speedsters in wrecks. you'll recognize a Model A in the last crash... but it was the poor chevy driver who ate it. Please folks, wear a seat belt, and head gear if you drive a speedster. I still see far too many old cars without seat belts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcHIWQduLjk


I really wonder about the seat belts. If you look at the racing video with the speedsters it is clear that seatbelts would not be a good idea because they have no roll bars and being thrown from the car is far better than having the car crush you.

The Model A has no collapsible steering column, padded dash or other safety features that were designed to work in harmony with seat belts. I am not convinced that in an open car like my roadsters that best idea for most crashes?
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The doors usually fly open .And a friend of mine got his Tudor hit in the side,flipped over and they exited via the cloth top and chicken wire.Moral to the story be careful driving .Seat belts strongly recomended.Bright tail lamps and turn signals,as young people today have no clue what hand signals are about .
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I wouldn't plan on walking away from any Model A wreck more severe than a parking-lot bump.

Your chances might improve slightly in a closed car...

As wonderful as our old iron is in terms of its simplicity and durability, it offers very little in the way of passenger protection in a accident, especially in modern traffic with modern drivers (read: fast and distracted).

(As an example, the early '28 Phaeton wreck on page one: look at the steering wheel: it got folded towards the dash from the force of the driver lurching forward during impact. I wonder how much damage the steering shaft did to the driver's chest ? )

The other year, a Maryland Model A owner and his daughter were killed while they were driving their CC PU on I-70 in Howard County... "they weren't going far", but they were rear-ended by a distracted driver.


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I remember on road trips in the 50's you would see at least one major accident scene a day. Don't know if people are driving anymore skillfully but the cars certainly handle better today.
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I was in an accident with my roadster and I would like to post the photos if someone can tell me how. I was hit just inside the right front wheel and pushed the frame over a foot causing the passenger door to open and ejecting my wife out the door in between the two cars. I thought she was dead at the time but she never lost consciousness. That was twenty years ago in august. Not built for crashing.
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I was in an accident with my roadster and I would like to post the photos if someone can tell me how. I was hit just inside the right front wheel and pushed the frame over a foot causing the passenger door to open and ejecting my wife out the door in between the two cars. I thought she was dead at the time but she never lost consciousness. That was twenty years ago in august. Not built for crashing.
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Now, you can see why people should take the train, instead of driving.

Actually, it would sure be nice if the trains offered car ferry service, so I could load my Model A on the train for a long distance haul, then drive it when I arrive. The best of two worlds.
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Tom, someone loaded his A on the train in Florida and then drove it off the train outside of DC and then proceeded on the Blue Ridge Parkway Tour earlier this month. Really neat way to go on a tour!
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Sorry I have to disagree with "the last thing on the mfg's mind was safety" part of your statement. If you study Ford history or lived in the mid to late 50's you will know of Ford's 1956 Safety advertising campaign touting their padded dashboards, dished steering wheel, padded visors, seat belts, etc. The sad thing was that safety did NOT sale. In fact the campaign backfired on Ford as the public felt like Fords must be unsafe cars since they were pushing safety items. I think the other car companies learned from Fords misjudgement of the buying public and did not make a fuss over safety.

Sure cars of the 50's and 60's were relatively "unsafe" with their big engines, solid steel construction, drum brakes, etc but todays cars are just as "unsafe", if not more so, with their moron distracted drivers with all of the gadgets such as GPS, cell phones, CD players, etc. I think I had better odds driving in the 50's and 60's than in todays traffic.

I would have to agree.
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It is a false idea that the earlier cars were safer.

Most of the older cars were still not much more than the Model A. Some fenders hung on a body bolted to a frame. It was all decorative. The bodies ability to protect the people was limited. There was little if any thought in how to use the structures to absorb and transmit crash energy around the occupants.

The cars survived more on just pure 'mass' it was big metal and ordinary collisions at low speed (most accidents are around town low speed) would not be able to move very far into the metal. For higher speed (higher energy) accidents the cars collapsed and tore apart quickly. It is scary to look at all these 'safe' big old cars in the coffee table book full of accident pictures. They all came apart at any real speed.

Here is an example. Notice how the fender of the 59 is effectively useless and just tears away. You can see that the firewall of the 59 was crushed in, not good for someone in the drivers seat.
59 vs 09 Impala

The modern cars are 'glued' together and have strategically placed crumple zones to allow for the energy to be absorbed outside the passenger compartment. Well I should say in places to minimize occupant damage cause some cars are just too small these days.

With the advent of seat belt usage and other safety features the severity of injuries and death rate in modern accidents is way down. The cost is what you see in the basically disposable cars we see today.
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Here is my first hand experience with my ex-31 Roadster a few years back. Was going about 45 a guy suddenly pulled out in front of me. No seatbelt and I went flying. Not recommended for the faint of heart, trust me.

Let me put in a plug for seat belts here.....
Where did the front tire go? That's crazy. Glad you survived.
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In 1953 my Uncle Walt show up at our house with three of his buddies in a Model A four door. I got to sit in that car with the pull down rear shade and mohair. That's when I fell in love with the Model A. That same night my uncle and friends were T-boned when a guy ran a red light in Lorain, Ohio. One was killed and the rest hurt badly. The death and the injures were caused by the wooden in the car. My uncle Walt had one of the top bow go through his cheek and out his neck. (just one of his injuries) To this day I do not have any seat belts in my A and never will. I want to be thrown out instead of kept in. And if you look at the pictures of the wrecks and think if the people in the car were kept inside would they survive or how badly they would be hurt. On all my other cars from the 50's to my new every day vehicles I faithfully use a seat belt.

Seat belts do save lives. But like I stated I will not put them in my A. Just How I feel.
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It is a false idea that the earlier cars were safer.

Most of the older cars were still not much more than the Model A. Some fenders hung on a body bolted to a frame. It was all decorative. The bodies ability to protect the people was limited. There was little if any thought in how to use the structures to absorb and transmit crash energy around the occupants.

The cars survived more on just pure 'mass' it was big metal and ordinary collisions at low speed (most accidents are around town low speed) would not be able to move very far into the metal. For higher speed (higher energy) accidents the cars collapsed and tore apart quickly. It is scary to look at all these 'safe' big old cars in the coffee table book full of accident pictures. They all came apart at any real speed.

Here is an example. Notice how the fender of the 59 is effectively useless and just tears away. You can see that the firewall of the 59 was crushed in, not good for someone in the drivers seat.
59 vs 09 Impala

The modern cars are 'glued' together and have strategically placed crumple zones to allow for the energy to be absorbed outside the passenger compartment. Well I should say in places to minimize occupant damage cause some cars are just too small these days.

With the advent of seat belt usage and other safety features the severity of injuries and death rate in modern accidents is way down. The cost is what you see in the basically disposable cars we see today.
While I don't doubt that new cars were safer, I hate when that video shows up. You can see the rust blowing out the bottom of the old car, that and they chose what is widely known as a poor design for accidents - it was a design that did not last long. The X frame platform, with the S A-Pillars was widely found to be VERY weak even new. I would have liked to at least see them use a ladder frame design that 90% of old cars were, and maybe a less rusty car.
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That crash test wasn't fair. The Impala had its motor and transmission (and who knows what all else) removed from it before the "test". That lightened the car considerably.

If the Impala was an intact car and they did that same test, the new car would have been pulverized by the full-weight old car and the motoring public would want the old ones, not the new ones from now on, and new car sales would suffer, etc.
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Wrecked 1937 Fords. Picked these up on the H.A.M.B. I am a little uncomfortable as a passenger in an antique (very old) automobile because of the lack of seatbelts. Not so much when I am actually driving the car. Too busy thinking about the task at hand.
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This dude was DEAD after a police chase in Palestine, Texas!! Bill W.
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There are a lot of A crash pics on Internet dome have been posted. There are videos on you tube also.
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Wow, those Divco milk trucks are now worth more than most "A"s.
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Buckle up, or as we say here in calif. Click it or ticket.
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Safety and new cars.

Cars today are very safe, maybe too safe. Years ago I was talking to a family friend who owned an Unlimited Hydroplane". The year was the last year his boat could have an "open cockpit". I was curious as to what He thought about gong all "closed Cockpit".

His answer was a surprise. " I don't like the rule" he said, "The reason is, now all these drivers will become fearless!". "They will never lift their foot off the gas pedal, because the fear of being hurt wont be there any more". He said, "And I can't afford the medical costs and the $1 million dollars to replace the boat"

Since they went closed cockpit, the Unlimited speeds have really increased.

New cars are there now. People know they are protected and drive that way. In MY opinion. And with the other stuff inside the car to distract todays driver, the combination is deadly.

Put a driver in an open car, sitting on a five gallon bucket, he will not drive fast, or text!
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I agree with amdriven2liv.
Also, if no one had insurance and everyone had to pay for there own car repairs and hospital bills, I think you might see driving improve. Also cars have become so quiet, smooth and confortable, the driver is much less aware of the speed they are going.
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I'm somewhat surprised that no one has mentioned that the sheer volume of traffic nowadays has exploded, all on road systems that in many cases date back decades.

Also we have no idea what role alcohol played in those contemporary Model "A" accidents.
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It certainly looks like there was a motor meter broken off of this Tudor.






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Sorry guys, forgot that in regards to the above three pics of the Sport Coupe I had these pictures of the accident scene.









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I post these Model A crash pictures for no other reason than to remind people the dangers of driving; back when these cars were new and even more so today. Most of the pictures are of simple fender benders. Sometimes on a more serious crash you'll see the spiderweb on a windshield, a reminder in glass that physics will always win and inertia will always keep you moving forward.

I share this following picture not out of some macabre sense of obtaining shock value but as a reminder that things can turn deadly in an instant.

The image is of an unknown bodystyle Model A that rolled over in 1933 in Washington.

I am warning you now, this link is graphic. If you are squeamish or easily offended by images of death, I would skip this link.

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so much for the popular canard that these cars were built like a brick house, real steel, indestructible, etc.
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Not a crash but a couple A's after a long since forgotten wild fire.


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agree or disagree. I agree, by the late 50's the manufactures knew that safety didn't sell, speed and power did. BUT, you have to admit they were the best classics of modern time. Agree too, that todays cars are made to protect occupents, the car is a one shot deal, replaceable, lives are not. they still have faults and depend on far to many electronics rather then common sense and good judgement of the driver.

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That spiders web on the pass side means someone head made that. Be wiling to bet they were hurting big time. The driver no doubt had a steering wheel impression in his/her chest.
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so much for the popular canard that these cars were built like a brick house, real steel, indestructible, etc.
Ericr,

I have not seen this concept in the forum that old cars are indestructible. Maybe this notion is from Non-Model A owners ?

My wife and I walked away from a recent highway crash where we were going 60 MPH and then hit a concrete barrier and stopped in about 1 sec.

The "modern" car saved our lives with the air bags, crumple zone, etc.

The same accident in a Model A would have resulted in death.

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Now if I could just hop into my TARDIS, disguised as a 31 Sedan Delivery, and go back and buy some of those wrecks for $10...
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Has anyone done the math or recorded statistics on modern "A" or other antique car collisions/crashes/accidents ???

Do any of the clubs keep this information ??
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Has anyone done the math or recorded statistics on modern "A" or other antique car collisions/crashes/accidents ???

Do any of the clubs keep this information ??
I'm going to guess Hagerty, JC Taylor etc have all those facts and figures.
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Looks like it has a lot of "stuff" on the car, antennas, raccoon tails, something on the hood louvers, big box thing on firewall and bald tires.
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Ok, AA guys, I'm not familar with the underbelly of them but this looks like it could be...What say you?



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That is what it is, but do I cry over the spilt milk?
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Looks like a 1928 with the worm drive.
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Some more from University of KY

'28 Business Coupe...

Looking pretty good here...
http://kdl.kyvl.org/catalog/xt702v2c8t1s_829_1


Not so much here...



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Yikes!

The interior of that garage is identical to the one the local Ford dealer had, until Ford told him about 7 or 8 years ago to build a new building or lose the franchise! That happened to another local dealer (had an identical building from the Model A era, demolished now)only they let him stay open until he retired, then the next guy was supposed to build new.
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Having crashed, I can tell you it feels bad in so many ways. A guy pulled from the right lane to the left and then hit the brakes to turn.

I needed a fender, fender bracket, bumper, bumper mounts, horn, radiator & cover, headlights, fan, hood, hood rods, water pump, wheel, frame repair and allignment, frame horn, perches, and the damage to the ego was non replacable.

He needed a brake light.
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IMHO. Today's vehicles are safer but the drivers aren't !
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IMHO. Today's vehicles are safer but the drivers aren't !
I agree, and I feel the reason is that the driver's don't have to be responsible. Forget having to drive safely because the cars have antilock brakes, seatbelts, crush zones, and airbags to protect the drivers, and the driver's don't have to worry about paying for causing an accident because that's what insurance companies are for. Make each driver pay for the hospital and car damage and see if his driving habits don't improve.
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Im wondering how model A hold up in a crash of different speeds dose any one have any pics of model As after crashes im just curious.
You may notice that in many A pictures that show front end crashes, the blunt of force is taken and distributed through the fenders, bumpers and hood area. There are very few windshields and cowl sections of the gas tank that show great damage. steering wheels are usually bent but again not real bad for cowl and tank area. In another time I was a fireman in my home state of Texas and we were also EMT and ran the rescue vehicle. I have never said anything about the light damage. BUT now I have said my piece. Merry Christmas to ALL. Have fun modelAtony tony white Lafayette, LA
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Was a real nice car.
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Makes me sick to see recent crash photos of model A s . These cars have been painstakingly restored and then to see them wrecked what a shame. Makes me almost afraid to enjoy mine and just leave it in the garage where its safer. How come ive never seen any from a rat rod? No one cares to take a photo i guess.
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More fire than crash:

Any you can buy it here (not mine)
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Ouch! Looks like it took the temper right out of the leaf springs! Think the engine is still good?
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Looking pretty good here...
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You think the tire tread wear had something to do with that crash?
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My observation is that people are watching me and may run into anther car. And there are those texting/on phone so anything can happen. God has blessed me with 53 years of safe A travel. I've had seat belts since the 60s
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This is posted on the MARC site. From the Huntington Beach Police Department 9-27-2014.

At about 5:55am, a man was driving his 1929 Ford east on Adams Avenue through Newland Street. He was on his way to the Donut Derelicts auto club meeting at Magnolia Street and Adams ...Avenue. A second vehicle southbound on Newland Street entered the intersection on the red light and collided with the 1929 Ford.

The second driver was cited for running the red light, being unlicensed and not having a valid insurance card. The driver of the 1929 Ford had moderate injuries. We will hope for his full recovery,,,, and for a full recovery of his 1929 Ford.

This is my dad he is ok just a staple in his head and a banged up knee what's really sad is this is his 1st car he's had it since he was 16 years old.
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Wow.... Glad he is OK! That's really tough that he's had such a history with that A, and infuriating at the carelessness and recklessness of an unlicensed and uninsured driver. I hope your dad had good insurance to replace and or repair what is salvageable on his pickup. The main thing to remember however is cars can be replaced, not people! I hope he recovers well from this (health, financially, and replacing his car).
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I don't know the people involved. If you want to find out their names are on the MARC fb page.
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I believe the most dangerous time for American automobiles would be the late 50's and early 60's. These cars had a lot of power and speed and the last thing on the mfr's mind was safety. It is hard to believe now but we did not even have seat belts. The dashes and instruments in these cars could be extremly dangerous to passengers. Anybody agree or disagree.
Last year I had a chance to drive a 100% stock '57 Chev V8 owned by a friend. When we were in high school it was his mother's car and she kept it until 2002 when he inherited it. With only 52K on the odometer, it was like a new car but definitely handled like cars from that era. It wandered a bit on the freeway at 65MPH, handled oddly in response to variations in road surface, and required a lot of foot pressure on braking. It really brought me back to the cars of my youth and how much improved they now are.
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Last year I had a chance to drive a 100% stock '57 Chev V8 owned by a friend. When we were in high school it was his mother's car and she kept it until 2002 when he inherited it. With only 52K on the odometer, it was like a new car but definitely handled like cars from that era. It wandered a bit on the freeway at 65MPH, handled oddly in response to variations in road surface, and required a lot of foot pressure on braking. It really brought me back to the cars of my youth and how much improved they now are.
I remember the same thing after driving my 55 Chevy, then buying a 62 Corvair Spyder. The Corvair handled like a fine tuned sports car and the 55 Chevy was like steering a large boat on water.
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My wife loathes driving my 66 impala. It steers fine to me but she says it veers all over the place. I only notice a difference when I hit big bumps.
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My wife loathes driving my 66 impala. It steers fine to me but she says it veers all over the place. I only notice a difference when I hit big bumps.
Hey Barber,
This thread revival is fate/timely !
Just sold 95 yr old FIL's '66 chev impala...top of the line model with bells/whistles,etc.. In excellent garaged kept low mileage condition..it is to be made into a 'low rider' ? I said that's tooo cheap price FIL says..let it go ! Had to steer EARLY in direction wanted with that big boat,eh !!

Just informed by friend that his friend just got Tboned by an illegal who driving SUV thru red light. The beautiful A pickup , with mechanicals, had OHV head and warmed up engine. The A owner had truck for many decades , since he was teenager.. Sad story, indeed!!

Someone says..most dangerous period was '50s/'60s..agree/disagree.
Well, it all depends on where you live to answer that question today.
I do not remember all the mortality/mayhem , that goes on now with autos...back then. When speeds now are as high ('legally') 80 MPH, how can it possibly be safer from that standpoint alone Now if you live here in lalalaland , where anything goes as far as driving without training/licenses/insurance, illegal, on/on ...you soon would come to realization that it is NOT safer than back when. It used to be that the idea of DEFENSIVE driving was the standard that would maybe keep you somewhat safe. NOT the case out here ! HELTER/SKELTER driving out here IS the case now. Just dwell , for a moment, on the idea of lots of angry/hurried/ discourteous people behind the wheel of a couple ton vehicle that goes like a rocket when pedal to the metal..laws/license be damned.
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As far as comparative safety, especially 60s-70s compared to today its 6 of one half a dozen of the other. Back then many people didn't wear seat belts even if they were installed, there were still metal dashes and a lot of inertia with all that metal going down the road and not the safety standards of today - vs. today you have side airbags, crumple zones, but people in an ever increasing hurry and texting and facebooking while they drive down the road in a car that basically drives itself (automatic, smooth ride, good steering etc) vs. a car that takes attention to manage while you drive. Always be looking for the other guy.
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the lat 50's and early 60 was a boom time for road miles covered at a very high rate of speed in the USA. The auto manufactures had to play catch-up with safety . parts wear was incredible and as I remember in my uncles service station front end parts would come off in his hand, and brakes were worn down to metal on metal, people still believed it was better to be thrown clear and driving drunk was OK , way better now.
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i believe with some attention his pickup truck can be fixed. Maybe someone out there has a dozen axles and will let him use one for his truck.
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Do not be fooled. The cars of the 50's and 60's had serioius safety issues.

There was a coffee table book of wrecks through the decades. The 50's and 60's cars would shread apart throwing the people.

The problem back then is the body was just parts hung together to look pretty. The fender is the best example. They had a bolts along the top and couple of simple metal brackets at the bottom to keep the fender from flapping. Today the fenders are tied into a box structure and are a crumple zone to absorb energy.

There was the old chevy vs new chevy crash test on youtube. They picked a front 1/4 head on as it would be most dramatic. The new car sheared off the fender and crushed in the drivers area with no problem. While the new car was totaled, it was obvious the passenger compartment was whole and the people unlikely to have had major injuries.

In any event, seat belts are going to increase your survival.
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Kevin, that new vs. old car test you mention was heavily skewed in favor of the new car. The old Impala was stripped of its motor and transmission, therefore removing some of what could have made the old car come out better- a lot of its weight (intertia) and rigidity.
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Hardtimes - it sure does feel like a boat sometimes, trying to make big wide turns.

I also was upset about that old vs new chevy wreck. First, It was so upsetting to see such a great survivor be trashed and with it being an iconic chevy to boot. Then to not do the test 100% apples to apples by removing all the guts of the engine bay was just wrong. What a waste. I bet if they had told the previous owner of that Impala what they had planned to do to it, he would of never sold it to them.
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You have to be on your toes driving today. I think what bothers me most is the people who suddenly appear behind you and will pass even if they can't see ahead enough, that's when I am driving the speed limit . You don't make it safer by pulling over and letting them by as there is always another one behind them, that's why I stick to the back roads. Getting back to the new vs. old test, that 59 Chevy had the wraparound windshield which was popular at the time but it sure compromised the strength of the front end.
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Im wondering how model A hold up in a crash of different speeds dose any one have any pics of model As after crashes im just curious.
NOTICE pictures of wreck's,most all have great damage to front end all the way to cowl. There are very FEW signs of damage from cowl to windshield. I have always noticed this in the wreck pictures. Have also never seen any with signs of fire int the cowl area. I know there must be some but I've never seen this. Have fun modelAtony tony white Lafayette, LA
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As to the issue of safety by years. I was able to look it up, but no longer have the references. IIRC deaths/mile was worse around 1940, and total deaths peaked late 50's 60's because so many more miles driven. There is also a film on-line made in late 50's and not shown to public where they crashed in to test cars with dummies inside. Its pretty bad. One I remember is crash into passenger side and dummie in drivers seat flies right through passenger window. It will make you wear a seat belt.


I'm old enough to recall a general lack of concern for safety in the 50's-60'''s not just cars, but work conditions, etc. Seems like every time we went on a family vacation we saw some crash that was fatal. Blown tires, impaled on poorly designed guard rails, etc.

Drunk driving was socially acceptable then.

I think a restored car with well maintained brakes, cautious driver, radial tires, seat belts, advantages of modern road construction, avoid areas like freeway in rush hour is probably a lot safer than it was in the 50's.
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As to the issue of safety by years. I was able to look it up, but no longer have the references. IIRC deaths/mile was worse around 1940, and total deaths peaked late 50's 60's because so many more miles driven. There is also a film on-line made in late 50's and not shown to public where they crashed in to test cars with dummies inside. Its pretty bad. One I remember is crash into passenger side and dummie in drivers seat flies right through passenger window. It will make you wear a seat belt.


I'm old enough to recall a general lack of concern for safety in the 50's-60'''s not just cars, but work conditions, etc. Seems like every time we went on a family vacation we saw some crash that was fatal. Blown tires, impaled on poorly designed guard rails, etc.

Drunk driving was socially acceptable then.

I think a restored car with well maintained brakes, cautious driver, radial tires, seat belts, advantages of modern road construction, avoid areas like freeway in rush hour is probably a lot safer than it was in the 50's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...n_U.S._by_year

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Hardtimes - it sure does feel like a boat sometimes, trying to make big wide turns.

I also was upset about that old vs new chevy wreck. First, It was so upsetting to see such a great survivor be trashed and with it being an iconic chevy to boot. Then to not do the test 100% apples to apples by removing all the guts of the engine bay was just wrong. What a waste. I bet if they had told the previous owner of that Impala what they had planned to do to it, he would of never sold it to them.
Hey Barber,
Well, as to the OP question...how Model As faired in colisions, IMO and with reviewing auto damage...even back when Model As were crashing into Model As...not good at all. I really do not drive the Model A as much as I would like to..due to a number of reasons, the prevailing reason being subject of this thread..namely safety when crashing in an A.

Here's how the 'deck' is stacked, in my view, as to this question. I'm in an 80 year old car without top, without airbags, with no safety glass, with mechanical brakes, without ability to keep up with jack rabbit starts/stops of modern traffic, without seatbelts and with gas tank above my lap, oh and with very skinny tires and thin metal bumpers...no problem, cause I practice super defensive driving ! Most of time ..locally..I'm in with bumper/bumper with modern iron weighing 2/3 times my Model A, with idiot proof modern brakes, with 4/6/8 and more cyls, producing HUNDREDS of hp, with crash specific designed glass, with unitized computer designed body, with specific crumple crash areas, with airbags in steering wheel and other crash tested areas of body, with bulletproof huge tires, with drivers doing blazing speeds...looking down at their laps where they are hiding their electronic device...because it's illegal to use while driving , where tail gating is evidently known as illegal and dangerous !! When considering all this, and more, I really do not think there is any problem or chance of being squished like a freaken alum pop can...do you

As to the 'old vs new' skewed / cheat car test, this bring to mind a valid saying....figures don't lie, but liars figure. It does no good to get upset at such behavior. It just proves another saying ... question everything.
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The proprietor of our local Model A parts warehouse here in Victoria Australia recently had a close call in his AA Truck that should be added to the horrors told here, as another reminder of the dangers of mixing it with modern traffic (and today's drivers - in this case a truckie who was clearly not concentrating).

This info is in the public domain, so I have copied and pasted it here from their website, in their own words:

"Just a little news story about Keith’s accident – everyone has been asking to see some photos of the AA Truck.

On December 14th 2014, driving home city bound on the Western Highway at Springbank after doing a tour of the Christmas lights, Keith was rear-ended by a B Double Semi-Trailer doing approximately 110km/hr (=69mph). The shunt from behind at first propelled Keith at an extra 20 km faster and he said it felt really exhilarating!

He then careered on two wheels down the ditch on the side of the freeway, with grass catching in the hubs and then back onto the freeway stopping sideways in the fast lane. With the engine still running, Keith was able to throw the AA Truck into reverse and back into safety, narrowly avoiding yet another semi who left the second set of really impressive tyre marks in the over taking lane – that you can still see today – just after the bridge at Wallace.

We didn’t include the photos of his severe bruising as it would put you off your food. We have included some of the truck damage (it was subsequently written off by Shannons, who were fantastic by the way). We will be pleased to show you photos of the repairs once they are completed."

Given the way grass ended up stuffed in between the tyre and the rim, this must have been very close to a rollover, and Keith did well to control his truck. I've had the same result on the tyres of a Subaru ute that left a gravel road, and think I know how he must have been feeling. (My incident was entirely my own fault - too young, too fast! ) I think he's lucky to have kept his life, given the description of this event.
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the common thread to many of these modern wrecks, or perhaps older wrecks, whether they involve a Model "A" or not, is aggressive driving. In today's world I personally ascribe a lot of that to SUV's/pickup trucks although that is putting a bulls-eye around myself on this forum.
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I hate to think about that. But if some moron were to hit me I would think I would go "bat guano" crazy on them. Best be an old woman, because a young man I will beat and then claim temp insanity. And if they have no insurance...God help them!
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Even though the cars of the 50's and early 60's were not as safe , far as safety features, there also wasn't as much traffic either. At least here in the coal mining towns of West Virginia. you only seen one car per family.
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Here's a chart showing vehicle deaths per million miles traveled:

It seems that cars (and roads and drivers?) have gotten progressively safer with time. If you look at deaths/100.000 population it also appears that the '30s were a very dangerous time.
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is this the one you meant, Tom?
I believe the officers name was Barney Rubble.
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These all look like they belong in a Laurel and Hardy film.

Well ! Here's another fine mess I've gotten myself into.

I hope I can die in my sleep just like my Grandfather......
and not hollerin' and screamin' like all the other people who were riding in his car with him.

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the common thread to many of these modern wrecks, or perhaps older wrecks, whether they involve a Model "A" or not, is aggressive driving. In today's world I personally ascribe a lot of that to SUV's/pickup trucks although that is putting a bulls-eye around myself on this forum.
I know that a lot of people resent those of us who drive trucks and SUV types, but I don't think we drive any more aggressively than the Camry, foreign sports car and Prius-types. The simple fact is that trucks and SUVs have a lot of utility these days, compared to small cars, and that makes them popular. There are just a lot more trucks on the road, and it follows that a larger percentage will be involved in wrecks. I feel a lot safer in my Suburban than I have felt in the smaller cars I drove for my employer in years past, but I don't drive aggressively in any vehicle.
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I know that a lot of people resent those of us who drive trucks and SUV types, but I don't think we drive any more aggressively than the Camry, foreign sports car and Prius-types. The simple fact is that trucks and SUVs have a lot of utility these days, compared to small cars, and that makes them popular. There are just a lot more trucks on the road, and it follows that a larger percentage will be involved in wrecks. I feel a lot safer in my Suburban than I have felt in the smaller cars I drove for my employer in years past, but I don't drive aggressively in any vehicle.
I know that stereotypes in general are often inaccurate and unfair. If Southern drivers are as courtly in driving as they usually are in person, I'm sure the SUV perception there differs from my perception.
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I believe the most dangerous time for American automobiles would be the late 50's and early 60's. These cars had a lot of power and speed and the last thing on the mfr's mind was safety. It is hard to believe now but we did not even have seat belts. The dashes and instruments in these cars could be extremly dangerous to passengers. Anybody agree or disagree.

I tend to agree with JBohannon, some of us from the "over fifty" clan will remember seeing an auto safety film (yes they were films back then) called Signal 30. This film clearly supports what JBohannon stated. You can can view the film in its entirety on youtube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mGPz2a5P_E
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Being a regular visitor to the USA from the UK, the things that scare me the most is the speed that people drive at and the tailgating...
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Being a regular visitor to the USA from the UK, the things that scare me the most is the speed that people drive at and the tailgating...
Yep, that's two of the worst things people do here, and that's why you see multi car crashes when there is snow or fog. The idiots don't even slow down for ice on the road, and don't leave distance between cars.
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Yep, that's two of the worst things people do here, and that's why you see multi car crashes when there is snow or fog. The idiots don't even slow down for ice on the road, and don't leave distance between cars.
Or those 4WD/AWD folks who think their vehicles can stop on a dime... I've owned 4 different 4WD vehicles and they don't stop any differently.
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Recently, on an about 20 mile trip home, I was nearly wiped out 5 times by drivers who seemed to think it was OK to do stupid things in front of the old car. They all wanted to be in front of it. I asked one of them why he pulled in front of me - was it because he thought I was going to be slow? Well, I'm here waiting at the same set of lights that you are, only you get to wait longer. Besides, why would anyone think it smart to pull in front of a car with brakes that are obviously not going to be as good as yours? Didn't think that through too well, did you, sport!
Seems plenty of modern drivers think these cars shouldn't be on the road so it's OK to break the law. I've decided to put a dash cam in my A. Won't save my life but would help with an insurance clam.
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how about this one?
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5 years ago i rolled my 30 town sedan over going about 25 miles per hour going around a corner, about $400 later the car was repaired $1000000. Later my wife was fixed. The one im building now will have seat belts
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I tend to agree with JBohannon, some of us from the "over fifty" clan will remember seeing an auto safety film (yes they were films back then) called Signal 30. This film clearly supports what JBohannon stated. You can can view the film in its entirety on youtube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mGPz2a5P_E
According to the CDC data quoted above, deaths per million miles traveled were much higher in the 20s and 30s than in the 50's, and are much lower than that today. Driving has become consistently safer over the last 100 years. The data do not support the idea that driving in the 50s was more dangerous than earlier, quite the opposite in fact.
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Regarding the '28 Phaeton (#3 above), I witnessed this accident about 5 or 6 years ago. The accident took place on a two-lane, paved, county road. We were following the phaeton at about 35 or 40 mph. A pickup truck travelling in the opposite direction turned left in front of the phaeton. The phaeton's driver applied the brakes (rear wheels locked up) reducing the speed a bit. All four passengers in the phaeton were wearing lap belts and received various injuries, the folks in the front seat required hospitalization. The phaeton's engine broke loose from the mounts and slid rearward and downward with the transmission, but did NOT enter the passenger compartment. The passengers all eventually recovered from their injuries and the phaeton was rebuilt and is still on the road. If your Model A does not have seat belts, I would certainly install them and wear them!
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Tracked this location down to Sixth and Figueroa in Los Angeles
Sure don't look anything like that today.
Google maps would not let me save a pic.
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Type in "524 North 61st Street, Philadelphia, PA" into google maps and it shows what the buildings behind the truck look like today...and yes they are still standing.
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Im wondering how model A hold up in a crash of different speeds dose any one have any pics of model As after crashes im just curious.
Most all pictures of wrecked A's I've seen are pretty well protected in the windshield and cowl area. Seems that most of the crash force is taken away by the fenders and hood area. Have always notice the cab area is pretty well protected. Have fun modelAtony tony white Lafayette, LA
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Tracked this location down to Sixth and Figueroa in Los Angeles
Sure don't look anything like that today.
Google maps would not let me save a pic.
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One of the worst areas of Model A safety is that the steering column is attached to the gas tank in most models. If that wasn't bad enough, the fuel line is exposed on the other side of the tank. Makes a pinto look good.
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Here is a link to a 28 Tudor that was donated to a high school auto shop program. The car was a roll over on a Model A going off the freeway. The people survived with a few injuries. The car will be restored by the high school. The link takes you to our YouTube channel.
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My dad bought a 6 cyl '59 Chevy Bel Air. I remember it distinctly as possibly the worst driving vehicle I ever drove. Poor directional stability, slow mushy steering, rolled like a canoe in turns, uncomfortable seats, and amazingly poor build quality and paint. Very tiring to drive (I made one longish trip in it). So, I for one, didn't mind seeing the one in the movie head for the crusher.

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Here's a European tudor that appears to be getting towed by a AA wrecker.








The motometer survived!






Looks like it had a motometer but the wings are still there.




Quail survived...


Wondering if the driver was distracted by his dancing lady radiator ornament...note the Sport Coupe in the background...










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Here is a link to a 28 Tudor that was donated to a high school auto shop program. The car was a roll over on a Model A going off the freeway. The people survived with a few injuries. The car will be restored by the high school. The link takes you to our YouTube channel.
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Very cool ... thanks for posting
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I still can't get over how many pictures show bald tires on the cars
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Here is a little newer photo August 10 1992 to be exact
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Now, you can see why people should take the train, instead of driving.

Actually, it would sure be nice if the trains offered car ferry service, so I could load my Model A on the train for a long distance haul, then drive it when I arrive. The best of two worlds.
Been there, done that. Put my car on the train and flew the 2,500 miles, very relaxing. But that was in 1968, before we all got stupid.
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I wonder what a wrecked Model "A" totaled out at in the 1930s, especially in the later '30s when the cars were probably declining rapidly in value due to their obsolescence......
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Here is a Model A Rollover that happened last month http://m.monroenews.com/article/20160516/NEWS/160519121

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I hope all those drivers and passengers made it ok!!!
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I believe the most dangerous time for American automobiles would be the late 50's and early 60's. These cars had a lot of power and speed and the last thing on the mfr's mind was safety. It is hard to believe now but we did not even have seat belts. The dashes and instruments in these cars could be extremly dangerous to passengers. Anybody agree or disagree.
I agree. Driving my 57 Chev does funny things to my feeling of well being.
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Now, you can see why people should take the train, instead of driving.

Actually, it would sure be nice if the trains offered car ferry service, so I could load my Model A on the train for a long distance haul, then drive it when I arrive. The best of two worlds.
Back in 1968 I loaded my Austin Mini in Edmonton, AB and picked it up in Toronto three days later. The only way to go in early January.
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I believe that the big difference between before 1950 and nowadays in much of Europe is simply traffic density. Perhaps that is not something that affects too many Americans. I bought my Model A to enjoy the same roads that are ideal for my motorcycle, the traffic free, open country lanes that crisis cross France. I have no interest in driving it on fast roads surrounded by modern traffic. Luckily for me I have that choice. In terms of safety I consider the Model A to have far more in common with my motorcycle than either of my modern, high performance German cars. On the motorcycle I ride quite defensively, every time I set out on it I am aware that I am vulnerable; vulnerable in any incident involving another road user or animal; vulnerable in terms of tyre grip on changing road surfaces; vulnerable because my road speed might be misunderstood by other road users. As a result of this vulnerability I ride with 100% concentration, I take responsibility for my safety far beyond that required by the law. The reward is well worth the input, and my trips out on the bike usually bring a smile to my face. That smile is harder to find on a busy road surrounded by heavy lorries and drivers who are wafting along in their automatic, cruise controlled cars listening to their chosen music in armchair comfort, who even if they are not talking on the phone, are not really focussed on their driving. I'm hoping that the Model A will give me the same levels of satisfaction as the motorcycle on the quiet country roads that I will use it on. I will also be aware that, like on the motorcycle, any accident either with another vehicle or simply by running off the road is likely to be painful for both me and the car.
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For the record, in 1950 as a 2 year old, I was sleeping in the back seat of a Tudor 'A' unknown year. A car ran a stop sign on a South Jersey road. My mother kissed the windshield and her seat flipped forward. I slid beneath the seat but was saved from her flopping back on top of me by a crate of eggs.
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Is it my imagination or do a lot of these photos have cars that have plate glass for a windshield? It was supposed to be safety glass but it seems to break like plate. Or is it the way they manufactured it?

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Backstory: A teenage girl texting on her phone ran a red light and clipped the back fender of this car, knocking it over.
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Backstory: A teenage girl texting on her phone ran a red light and clipped the back fender of this car, knocking it over.
THAT'S gotta be rare these days............................
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The european picture of the wrecker and tudor are from Ireland . The car has a Northern Ireland registration plate . It would be a Manchester Trafford Park built car most likely a AF 14.9 HP small bore engine . Note the fender lights .The car in the background is a circa 1930 Austin "7" .

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It looks like the "Jaws of life" were used to take the roof off to get the passegers out .. An English club member was T boned by a drunk coming out of a side road . The emergency services did this to his lovely 30 coupe but it did save his life . He made a more or less full recovery over time .He was in intensive care for a month .I will try to post a pic .

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It's too bad they didn't set it upright, then remove the driver, rather than cut the top off with the jaws of life.
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It's too bad they didn't set it upright, then remove the driver, rather than cut the top off with the jaws of life.
The driver was quite old, and the rescue guys have all these cool toys they are itching to use, so........Break out the Jaws of Life! I understand he suffered only very minor injuries, thankfully.
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This one happeden just three weeks ago. May 2016. I am the lucky one that gets to rebuild it for my friend.. Pictures don't show it but the rear spring and the rear crossmember were twisted.

Working on replacing the Rear end this week. Rear quarter panel is ordered coming from Brookville. On backorder. juz lik da army hurry up and wait. ken
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There is fellow on YouTube (richpin06a) who him and his Father made several videos on about Model A.... The event was last June (2015)

Sadly his model A was destroyed but his Father survived:

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There is happy ending, his Father with another Model A...

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this is what happens when a tree jump out in the road.
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Now, you can see why people should take the train, instead of driving.

Actually, it would sure be nice if the trains offered car ferry service, so I could load my Model A on the train for a long distance haul, then drive it when I arrive. The best of two worlds.
Taking the train isn't always the best way either as noted here not too far from my back yard.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ington-n830751

Most all of the big railroads offer car ferry service.
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Not "A" wrecks, but earlier and others.
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so pleasing none of those crashed and wrecked cars were not Model A's.
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this is what happens when a tree jump out in the road.


Hope the cops gave the tree a ticket.
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In Dallas we have lots of people with no insurance and they don't pay for repairs or hospital bills. :-)
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