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Old 02-05-2015, 02:10 PM   #1
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For my birthday my son made me a 13/32 deep well socket. this thing is really slick. So my question to you Barners is would there be any interest in having him make a few more? Not sure what the cost would be yet, naturally the more to be made the cheaper they would be.
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Old 02-05-2015, 02:11 PM   #2
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Pictures are nice...
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Old 02-05-2015, 03:40 PM   #3
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I would also like to see pictures. Depends on the cost to make. How does the one he made you work? A friend also expressed interest.
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Old 02-05-2015, 06:05 PM   #4
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The Jets in the Zenith and Holley Carburetors are Millimeter; the only two that require a socket to remove or install are the Cap and Idle jets.

A number of years ago I went to a business that carried Millimeter sizes as well as the standard sizes. Took a Cap and Idle jet with me. A deep well 1/4"
drive 8 millimeter socket fits the Cap jet perfectly; I also got a short 1/4" drive millimeter socket that fit the Idle jet, I ground the end so I could use a small crescent on it. I cannot red the millimeter size as it was where I ground.

For the other Jets I ground a good quality screwdriver to fit the slots so I would not damage the Jets, also narrowed the screwdriver so it would enter the needle driver hole for those carburetors that had a removable needle seat, it also works fine on the Main jet which is installed from the bottom.

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Old 02-05-2015, 06:33 PM   #5
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You can buy a KR Wilson Zenith socket wrench #359 from the Parts vendors that is 9/32 on one end and 5/16 on the Other for $12.00.
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He is talking about the adjustment needle housing for
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Old 02-05-2015, 08:18 PM   #7
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somehow we went from 13/32 to 9/32 and 15/16
anyone for 79/183 ?
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I've never seen a carburetor jet that needed a nearly 1 inch socket!
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typo changed to 5/16
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Old 02-06-2015, 12:24 AM   #9
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Ok folks,

I am the son who made the 13/32" socket to fit the zenith gav for my father.

I was unaware of ford barn until today when my father mentioned it with regard to the socket, and decided to take a look. As usual I saw the normal forum responses which end up clouding the issue of the original question or post.

I sent an email to my father regarding some of the questions raised in the thread which is as follows.

"Noticed guys were asking how the socket was made, basically wondering about quality and fit and such. Here is what you can tell them.

We start with a blank impact socket which has been annealed (not been hardened). We drill the socket, then broach the ends. Obviously the 13/32 end is broached using a special 6pt. corner relief broach that I had made. The 6 point design is the real key to the perfect fit. The other end is broached for 3/8 drive. We then harden the socket to approximately 41-51 Rockwell c. Obviously we just engraved yours with the size, but should we make any more we will probably stamp the size on them prior to heat treat making them look more professional.

As far as fit, you can attest to that, but the actual clearance we designed for was .004" (or 4 thousandths of an inch) overall, which is why it fits so well and should not mark or round the original part in any way due to perfect contact on the flats. The minimal clearance works due to the fact that the original part was made about 1-1.5 thousandths under 13/32". The socket will also fit the one you sent me that was all mangled up since the flats were still there but the corners were missing.

As you know there is about 6 months or more of R&D and trial and error in this thing, but at least it's perfect, lol.

If there are any further technical questions you can give them my email if need be."

Now I do not spend to much time on these forums so any further questions should probably be addressed to my father who started this thread, since I may not even look at this again. I am sure he will let me know of any further interest or concerns.

I am assuming he will provide pictures of the finished prototype at some point in time next week, but if not for whatever reason, I will be happy to do so myself if need be.

One last thing. I appreciate all of you enthusiasts who keep the history of these older vehicles alive. At 50 years of age, I do appreciate these older cars, but will admit that my focus is more along the lines of building racing motorcycles for my sons at this point. Hopefully at some point in time I will be able to retire and own a model A of my own.

Sorry dad, probably irritated a bunch of guys on here somehow, but I was just having trouble watching this thread go to he(double hockey sticks) in a handbasket.
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Old 02-06-2015, 12:53 AM   #10
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Ok folks,

I am the son who made the 13/32" socket to fit the zenith gav for my father.

I was unaware of ford barn until today when my father mentioned it with regard to the socket, and decided to take a look. As usual I saw the normal forum responses which end up clouding the issue of the original question or post.

I sent an email to my father regarding some of the questions raised in the thread which is as follows.

"Noticed guys were asking how the socket was made, basically wondering about quality and fit and such. Here is what you can tell them.

We start with a blank impact socket which has been annealed (not been hardened). We drill the socket, then broach the ends. Obviously the 13/32 end is broached using a special 6pt. corner relief broach that I had made. The 6 point design is the real key to the perfect fit. The other end is broached for 3/8 drive. We then harden the socket to approximately 41-51 Rockwell c. Obviously we just engraved yours with the size, but should we make any more we will probably stamp the size on them prior to heat treat making them look more professional.

As far as fit, you can attest to that, but the actual clearance we designed for was .004" (or 4 thousandths of an inch) overall, which is why it fits so well and should not mark or round the original part in any way due to perfect contact on the flats. The minimal clearance works due to the fact that the original part was made about 1-1.5 thousandths under 13/32". The socket will also fit the one you sent me that was all mangled up since the flats were still there but the corners were missing.

As you know there is about 6 months or more of R&D and trial and error in this thing, but at least it's perfect, lol.

If there are any further technical questions you can give them my email if need be."

Now I do not spend to much time on these forums so any further questions should probably be addressed to my father who started this thread, since I may not even look at this again. I am sure he will let me know of any further interest or concerns.

I am assuming he will provide pictures of the finished prototype at some point in time next week, but if not for whatever reason, I will be happy to do so myself if need be.

One last thing. I appreciate all of you enthusiasts who keep the history of these older vehicles alive. At 50 years of age, I do appreciate these older cars, but will admit that my focus is more along the lines of building racing motorcycles for my sons at this point. Hopefully at some point in time I will be able to retire and own a model A of my own.

Sorry dad, probably irritated a bunch of guys on here somehow, but I was just having trouble watching this thread go to he(double hockey sticks) in a handbasket.
I'd buy one!!!
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This sounds like a quality tool and I'd also be interested in one.

Why not make a run large enough for the parts houses to sell them?
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I would be interested, too. Bill
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Old 02-06-2015, 02:40 AM   #13
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ive got that size in my old craftsman 1/4 "set. from a long time ago...60's remeber ,why ,what would it fit.....i was about 14 yrs old...glad i kept it
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I'd buy one!!!
after reading the post, i said to my self...theres one more guy supporting (our)model a ford hobby...cant have enough... p.s. ill buy one!!
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Old 02-06-2015, 02:48 AM   #15
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To answer your question Tom.

I have told my father what I think we can make them for either one off or in quantity.

I think he is trying to determine how much interest there is in order to determine what size run we could make, and in turn, once we know that we will know how much they would cost.

Obviously we can't make 100 and only sell 10, conversely, it wouldn't make sense to make 10, when there would be a market for 100.

I only made this socket to prove a point and provide my father with something that was unavailable for his birthday.

I had the tooling made in order to produce the socket, and I can make quite a few more with the same tooling. I personally, don't just want to make a bunch of these, only to be left with a bunch of these, lol.

Guess the real question would be. After everyone sees the pics, and understands the quality of the tool, how much would they actually, be worth? and can we make them in that price range?

With my research, I don't believe anyone out there has the ability or tooling to even make an honest to goodness 13/32" 6 point socket, or wrench for that matter. And as everyone would have to admit, a 12 point if available, will just round the corners and damage the original part.

Anyway, my 2 cents. I am sure if the interest is there, we can help all of those interested.
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There are quite few vendors of model A parts. If you were to wholesale them out and they only bought 5 from you you have 100 sold in a heartbeat.
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Count me in for two.
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Another one here. thanks
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A Snap On 11mm deep well 3/8" socket fits the gav perfectly
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I'm in for two.
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A Snap On 11mm deep well 3/8" socket fits the gav perfectly
My Snap-On 11mm deep socket is rather sloppy on GAV's. I wonder what the broach tolerances are on the sockets. Maybe you've got a very tight (small) one.
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I am keepinbg a list of those of you who are interested in these sockets.
With all respect to those of yoiu who use a 10 mm or an 11mm socket my experience has been that the 10mm is too small and the 11mm is too big. This socket that my son has made does not do any damage the housing. I will try to get some pics by wednesday of next week.
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To answer your question Tom.

I have told my father what I think we can make them for either one off or in quantity.

I think he is trying to determine how much interest there is in order to determine what size run we could make, and in turn, once we know that we will know how much they would cost.

Obviously we can't make 100 and only sell 10, conversely, it wouldn't make sense to make 10, when there would be a market for 100.

I only made this socket to prove a point and provide my father with something that was unavailable for his birthday.

I had the tooling made in order to produce the socket, and I can make quite a few more with the same tooling. I personally, don't just want to make a bunch of these, only to be left with a bunch of these, lol.

Guess the real question would be. After everyone sees the pics, and understands the quality of the tool, how much would they actually, be worth? and can we make them in that price range?

With my research, I don't believe anyone out there has the ability or tooling to even make an honest to goodness 13/32" 6 point socket, or wrench for that matter. And as everyone would have to admit, a 12 point if available, will just round the corners and damage the original part.

Anyway, my 2 cents. I am sure if the interest is there, we can help all of those interested.
I'd buy one....
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just about everything the suppliers have is a result of a mom-and-pop setup where a guy makes one thing. I am sure each of them would buy 10
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I would buy one as well, or two if the price comes in reasonably.
Thanks for your effort, it is something I needed just today. As someone else said, anyone providing help for this hobby should be helped and purchased from (If that is what is needed)
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Put me down as interested in one!
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I would like one too. Even thought I only have one Model A, I like using the correct tools.
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I would like one.
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I suspect that using an 11mm (.433") socket on the 13/32" (.40625") GAV is why so many are rounded off.
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There seems to be a market. I use a ground-down metric wrench, but would prefer the proper tool, so chalk up one more.
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When it became very obvious years ago that when rebuilding carburetors that in order to get the 13/32" adjustment needle housings off I would need a deep socket to do it. None to be found so I bought a Craftsman 10 mm socket and the proper size good file and carefully filed it down to a perfect fit which has worked for years and no damaged housings, it did not take to long to do this.
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I'm in as well, could use two of them.
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Update on were we stand with the sockets.

I am pleasantly surprised at the interest level, and it will definitely help with the cost.

Originally I acquired 2 blanks. I just made the second socket to prove the process. The second one turned out as well as the first and is a perfect fit on the good gav housing as well as the housing I was given with the corners rounded off.

On Tuesday my fathers car club will be critiquing the first prototype at there meeting. As long as they come back with great reviews and agree with our idea of a price point (which will obviously be one of a labor of love and not making money), we will set everything in motion. Hopefully they will post their opinions, and I am assuming one of the members will also be posting pictures at that point, or I will do so myself.

If the reviews are as I expect, I am planning to make a run of 50 parts and will order the blanks next week. It will take a week or two to fit the parts in around my normal shop production. We figure to keep the price as low as possible we will probably sell direct to all of you folks. We are planning to just use usps flat rate shipping since it's only 5 or 6 bucks, plus it's the same price if you want one or more. Once I have the parts ready we will contact everyone with a paypal link to purchase the items and ship them immediately.

As I said this is all contingent with respect to the reviews of the car club members on Tuesday, but I am sure they will vouch for the quality of this socket which is as good as or better than a top of the line socket from snap-on or anyone else for that matter.

Should anyone have any ideas or questions, please do not hesitate to post them here and I will answer them as soon as possible.

P.S. I obviously cannot keep the price reasonable using my shop labor to produce these parts, so I will be manufacturing them myself after hours when the equipment is available. Hence the reason I said this will be a labor of love, not one of making money.
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Being the tool junkie that I am, I would speak for one as well.
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Hoarsewhisperer,

In response to your post. You are correct, but unfortunately the .433 is exactly 11mm and 11mm sockets are manufactured at .441 across the flats. Far cry from .40625 in the machinist world.
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I just received a very good question from a member via my email. I will answer it here.

The question was does the socket have retention capability for the ball of a 3/8 ratchet.

The answer is yes.

What we do (like a professional impact socket) is drill a radial hole through the socket in the center of one of the 3/8 drive flats in order for the user to line up the ball on the ratchet or extension in one spot keeping all other flats fully intact for maximum surface contact with the ratchet or extension.

Thank you for the question, I am sure others were probably wondering the same thing.

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Definitely sounds like a quality tool that's useful. I'd like to get two.
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i will also buy and thanks for offering to do this...

one question are they lifetime guaranteed?
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I'll take one
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I will take two...
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Old 02-08-2015, 02:32 PM   #41
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If you break it, I can guarantee it wasn't on a gav housing.
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I to would be interested in one or two. Always like using the proper tools for the job.
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This is the second socket. It is not stamped or heat treat and tempered yet. Once it is heat treated it will be a black finish like a typical impact socket. Sorry for the poor quality of the pictures.



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I have a couple of the 13/32" open ended, but would be interested in obtaining the socket if possible.
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I have a couple of the 13/32" open ended, but would be interested in obtaining the socket if possible.
I just noticed you are from canada. No problem getting you a socket when they are done, would just have to adjust the shipping cost since you are outside the US
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I just noticed you are from canada. No problem getting you a socket when they are done, would just have to adjust the shipping cost since you are outside the US
Understood, and thanks!

Things were much simpler when I lived in the US.
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Update on were we stand with the sockets.


If the reviews are as I expect, I am planning to make a run of 50 parts and will order the blanks next week.
Should anyone have any ideas or questions, please do not hesitate to post them here and I will answer them as soon as possible.

P.S. I obviously cannot keep the price reasonable using my shop labor to produce these parts, so I will be manufacturing them myself after hours when the equipment is available. Hence the reason I said this will be a labor of love, not one of making money.
I think you already have about 50 "sold" right here. If the blank price goes down with a 100, you might want to consider it.

Also, there is no shame in making a few bucks for yourself on the deal.
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I think you already have about 50 "sold" right here. If the blank price goes down with a 100, you might want to consider it.
Due to the enthusiasm since this thread started, I have requested a price for 100 blanks. Unfortunately they were giving me a pretty good deal in the first place for 50, and the price for 100 was only .30 cents per piece cheaper. Big problem is, the manufacturer I am obtaining the blanks from does not like to give them up since they count on them for their runs, and selling me some in quantity screws up their production runs. The runs they make for normal sockets in this size range is in the thousands which is why none of the reputable manufacturers want to make this socket. They figure they can't sell a thousand plus, so they are not interested. When they make a run, there is a plus or minus 10 percent commitment, and selling me the blanks just brings them closer to their minus 10 percent which I can understand. Everything they do is in bulk like annealing, heat treating tempering, so on and so forth, and poundage for each of the processes really counts for their manufacturing cost as far as furnace and machine utilization.

If we look at the good side, at least I have the contact and can get blanks which makes this process even possible for all of the folks who would like one at a reasonable cost. There is only one size blank I know of that I can use to make this a perfect socket for this application.

I know this blank will be used probably for a long long time, so I am not worried about getting them for an extended period of time, but remember, this blank is being taken out of the middle of their production run. This all starts as a solid piece of steel in an automated process, and I am getting them to spit out perfectly good parts in the middle of the process prior to the end broaching and such. This requires an operator to basically instruct the cnc machine to only do part of the operation and spit out unfinished parts during the process for some period of time. This in turn causes an issue with predetermined tool wear and everything else in the process.

At this point due to the interest I think I am going to tool a bit differently, which will be more expensive right now, and obviously no immediate payback, but I, like you am thinking 100 is probably a real number over time as people find out about this socket. And the tooling I am considering will make it easier to do small batches down the road while keeping the cost to the end user at a consistent reasonable number.

I think alot of people would put a high price on these and sell to whoever, just to make some money. I however would like to make these so that everyone can afford to buy one from now to eternity, not just those with deep pockets.

As I stated previously in this thread, I only made this thing to help my father and give him something no one else had. I honestly did not believe it when he said people would be interested in this tool, since I figured there had to be something somewhere that people could get their hands on. Apparently I was wrong, and my goal now is basically to make this available to the masses who will appreciate them.

I honestly am not looking at this as a money making opportunity. As I told my father tonight, due to the interest, I am quite content doing this pretty much just for the bragging rights so to speak. Of course I would like to cover my cost at least, but the fact that I can provide people with something that no one else can or is willing to do, kinda makes me feel good.

Hopefully everyone understands this.

Just to add a bit about my background, I own a business that deals with large multinational corporations. Probably anything you have in your house that is on a roll (toilet paper, saran wrap, foil, and actually even your q-tip brand q-tips) has probably at some point been processed on the equipment I have designed manufactured and supplied. I also supply equipment and services to every tire manufacturer in the world with the exception of Bridgestone/Firestone.

So as far as the sockets, believe me, I can make money spending my time elsewhere, but I enjoyed this challenge presented by my father, and hopefully have found a way to provide everyone with this (apparently much sought after) unicorn so to speak.

Once the car club provides their review Tuesday or Wednesday on this socket (hopefully positive, lol), we will provide our pricing idea to everyone, and I am hoping everyone will be pleasantly surprised. Obviously not gonna be dirt cheap, but definitely in line with a top quality impact type socket in a comparable size range.

Not real sure why I wrote all this other than to assure you I am looking at every aspect of this venture to try and keep the cost of this tool as reasonable as possible.

I do appreciate the suggestion, and if you or anyone else has any other ideas, I really would love to hear them since I would love to make these as cheap as possible.

One other thing to mention here just so everyone knows. Every single thing with regard to these sockets is 100% USA. Blanks, tooling, and even equipment used to manufacture is all USA. It has already been mentioned subcontracting the production of these sockets to a company in China which would be really really cheap. I however will not even consider this option regardless of the savings. Just not gonna happen, and if someone suggests it again, they will not be purchasing one of these sockets from me.

Sorry for writing this rather lengthy dissertation, lol, but again I thank everyone for the interest in this project and look forward to moving forward in a positive manner.
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Thank you for your efforts in making this tool.
I would also like one. Jim
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. . .One other thing to mention here just so everyone knows. Every single thing with regard to these sockets is 100% USA. Blanks, tooling, and even equipment used to manufacture is all USA. It has already been mentioned subcontracting the production of these sockets to a company in China which would be really really cheap. I however will not even consider this option regardless of the savings. Just not gonna happen, and if someone suggests it again, they will not be purchasing one of these sockets from me.
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Most Ford Barners are so sick of the cheapo does-not-fit chinese crappo that they have all gone back to the 'Made in USA' slogan. Myself included long ago.

A breath of fresh air here.

and I don't think it really matters at least not to me what it costs to have something this special
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You think so? It seems to me that most Ford Barners are in love with the cheapo does-not-fit chinese crappo that they can get from Harbor Freight. Seems that most prefer cheap crap over quality goods.

When the socket price is announced, we'll see how many buyers for the socket will be lost. Not because it will be too expensive, but because too many people here are too cheap.

Now this is a joke fellas, so don't get bent out of shape.

Forever4 just came up with a great marketing idea. Anybody that backs out after the price is announced, we will just post their info on here to let everyone know they are cheap, lol.

Now I would never ever do that so it is just a joke, however, it does bring up a good idea.

We have a count of how many sockets guys would like now, and I believe it is either right at, or over 50. I am figuring at this point I will probably just run 100. But with forever4's comment, we probably will contact all those who expressed interest once we release the price to be sure the interest is still there.

I think I probably have more faith in all these folks than you do forever4, but I am obviously a newbie to this whole thing. That being said I appreciate your comment and will verify the interest level once again after the price is announced. Of course something tells me alot of people are following this thread and once we put the price up most people will reaffirm their commitment. Who knows, there may even be a bunch of lurkers just waiting.

Guess we will see in the next couple of days. Hope everyone here is doing well.
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I'd like one also.
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Leaving now to go to the Sullivan Trail Model A Ford Club meeting. Will report how the members liked or disliked this socket later tonight or first thin in the morning. Should also be able to report the sale price. Bill Haag
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I would like to buy one, also.
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Ok Folks, as far as I understand, the car club members reviewed the socket, and according to what I have been told, they all liked/loved it.

Hopefully tomorrow they will be providing their unbiased reviews on the 13/32" socket and what they really thought for all of you to read for your own edification.

It appears we can account for over 50 pieces at this point, so my plan will be to manufacture 100 in the first run. Subsequently in order to do this in a reasonable time frame I will be purchasing some different tooling. Having accounted for all the cost, and again, doing this for a labor of love and not making money, I am counting on getting my cost back with this run of 100 once they all sell. The different tooling will then allow for smaller runs after the first 100 at the same cost to the end user, if demand is there for whatever reason.

Again, hopefully everyone understands what it actually takes to produce this top quality socket without cutting any corners, and hopefully the club members who have put their hands on this socket will confirm this for you on this thread.

So here we go. The pricing we have decided on for the socket is $24.00 US Dollars plus shipping. Flat rate shipping through usps is approximately $6.00. And apparently you can order more than one, and it will still only be $6.00 for the shipping.

I am not asking anyone to pay anything now. It will take approximately 3 weeks to complete the run of 100 due to my current shop load, and schedule, as well as acquiring the blanks and tooling. Once they are complete, we will notify everyone individually who has expressed interest, as well as post it on this thread.

In the mean time, I realize some may not want to pay this much, which is fine. But would all of you who expressed interest, please reaffirm your interest at this point via this thread, private message, or email. I am assuming most will still be interested, but I don't wish to purchase tooling and such, and then end up in the hole on this project. I am also planning to pass this information along to each individual who expressed interest via private message or email as well.

I am not planning on purchasing the blanks or tooling till the end of the week just to make sure the interest is still there at this point. And it will take about a week maybe a little more to get the blanks.

Once the first run of 100 is complete, we will notify everyone who previously expressed or has re-expressed interest with regard to how to purchase. At this point purchasing will probably be via credit card through paypal unless other arrangements are made on an as need basis.

Bill Haag, Jr.

P.S. Thank you all for your interest in this project, I feel honored to be able to help with this apparent need.
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I am not gonna mention the name of the one guy who just pm'd me, but it was funny.

His comment was "I am not gonna be the guy at the next car show that can't brag about having an actual socket to fit the GAV on this "explicative deleted" carb.

Didn't say wether he wanted one or not though, so pm me back and let me know, lol, I am assuming you want one, lol.

Thanks for the support, lol
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I just thought about posting that and it sounds like a sales pitch. I am sorry for posting that. But you know who you are and I will not reveal you since I found that really frickin funny since you didn't tell me wether you wanted one or not, lol. Sorry folks, probably should have kept that one to myself but I am still laughing since it sounded like some sort of peer pressure do it even though I don't want to situation, lol.

Sorry, can't stop thinking about forever4's comment, then this comment, I hope I live through this laughing fit to actually make these darn things, lol.

Once again I apologize, lol, and no, before anyone asks it wasn't forever4 that sent the pm.

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thats a very fair price for the socket and for those of us that work professionally with quality tools all know this.
i am in for more than 1
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I'm with Mitch. It's a fair price for a quality socket and I'm still in for one.
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I'm still in for one, but want to run this by our club and see if we can't get several on the same order.
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I was at Walmart today. They had 2 sets of sockets that contained a 13/32 deep well socket. one priced just under $10 and a larger set just under $20. They are import, so how well they will fit, I don't know. Might not be worth bringing home, but they are available.
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Am trying again to get photos of Bill's socket posted. Uploading is a no-brainer, system simply isn't working right now, 3 fails, tried 5 pix all at once, then only 1. Will keep trying, have contacted fordbarn administrator.
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Try converting the pictures to a lower resolution. (size)
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I was at Walmart today. They had 2 sets of sockets that contained a 13/32 deep well socket. one priced just under $10 and a larger set just under $20. They are import, so how well they will fit, I don't know. Might not be worth bringing home, but they are available.
But, are they 6 point, and are they open enough for the GAV to fit deep enough for the hex to engage the socket?
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But, are they 6 point, and are they open enough for the GAV to fit deep enough for the hex to engage the socket?
That was my thought also Tom. Plus,,,,Walmart,?,,,,China,?
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That was my thought also Tom. Plus,,,,Walmart,?,,,,China,?
As I stated they might not be worth bringing home. I too would be interested in buying a quality USA made socket.
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But, are they 6 point, and are they open enough for the GAV to fit deep enough for the hex to engage the socket?
Tom, look at post #43.
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back when i started looking into this for my father, I bought a cheap set that said it had a 13/32 in it. Turned out it wasn't even actually in the set when I opened it, but listed it on the front packaging of the box.

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Tom was talking about the walmart set
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I am confirming that I still want 2.
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Haha,
"Turned out it wasn't even actually in the set when I opened it, but listed it on the front packaging of the box."
there is no way in blazes that a commercially mfg 6 pt 13/32 deep socket is actually being made. That is a zebra. There would be absolutely NO application for it in today's world. You would be better off trying to market a commercially made 7-pt deep 77/192 socket!!!!
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Hey Tbird, I'll bet you 500 dollars I could make that 7 point 77/192 socket if you really want one, lmao. Gonna need the 500 in advance though to buy the special tooling lol

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Oh, and tbird, just so you know, 77/192 actually works out to 10mm
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Y-Blockhead, good link. I think I saw some of those people there.
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I am still in for two of these.
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1332, haha i am sure you could make that socket! And I just pulled 77/192out of thin air!
But the burning question is, on a 7-pt socket, you measure from where to where? haha LOL
Not horribly different than a 5-pt hydrant wrench ?
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1332, haha i am sure you could make that socket! And I just pulled 77/192out of thin air!
But the burning question is, on a 7-pt socket, you measure from where to where? haha LOL
Not horribly different than a 5-pt hydrant wrench ?
It would be the diameter tangent to the flats.

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Here's a five sided socket and some penta-bolts:

For the guy that has everything in his tool box!
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Here's a five sided socket and some penta-bolts:

For the guy that has everything in his tool box!
Somehow I knew someone was going to try and elaborate on this odd number sided bolt thing, lol.

I could bore everyone with the details of why odd number facets have been used on fasteners and spline shafts, and everything else, but it would be boring, lol.

Quite simply put though, lol. Everything round that rotates has a natural harmonic, when the natural harmonic matches some multiple of the revolutions in 360 degrees, you will experience a synchronous, or subsynchronous vibration. So naturally everyone has tried to design around this. Since a circle still always has 360 degrees, people have tried to design odd number fasteners used in line with the rotating component to offset synchronous vibration..........never mind, gonna stop here before I write a book. But it's kinda like when your car shakes at only 35, and 60 or whatever. Things have been balanced, but unfortunately there will always be some sort of distortion or imbalance presented at some components natural harmonic. Usually these vibrations will be directly attributed to the diameter of a specific component..... ok gonna stop.
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Just food for thought though. Why are there 3 cylinder diesels and 5 cylinder chevrolet gasoline engines? The ultimate goal of overcoming natural harmonics. The thought is if you break up the 360 degrees unevenly, there will be no natural harmonic, but it doesn't work. I have got to stop. I am sorry I even mentioned any of this stuff on this thread. My apologies.
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Back to the point of this whole thing. At this point, we have confirmation of at least 50 sockets, so that helps immensely with this project.

I will be placing orders for the blanks and tooling tomorrow/Friday. So the project is a go. Just to say it again, it will probably take about 3 weeks or a bit more to fit this run of 100 sockets into my shop schedule. When I eventually sell the 100, it will cover the cost, which is a risk myself, my father, and apparently someone else is willing to take/absorb to see this through, since we all believe there is enough interest to support it eventually.

I will keep everyone up to date via this thread on a regular basis so you know where we stand with this project. All who have expressed/re-expressed interest will be notified, prior to the general public, or dealers, or anything else when the sockets are ready. In essence, if you have requested one or more, you will get them before any new interests are fulfilled.

I really do appreciate the support of everyone with this undertaking, and the kind words expressed by numerous people during pm's and emails and such. And I do feel privileged to be able to help with this need.

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... But it's kinda like when your car shakes at only 35, and 60 or whatever. Things have been balanced, but unfortunately there will always be some sort of distortion or imbalance presented at some components natural harmonic. Usually these vibrations will be directly attributed to the diameter of a specific component..... .
Reminds me back when I worked at Chevron Refinery. When starting a centrifugal pump it was important to get it up to full speed so to pass through "Critical Speed" (the RPM that the natural harmonics occurred) quickly.
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You are correct blockhead. Just like when they roll out a steam turbine generator in a power plant and such, slow till you get lube oil and such for 8-24 hours, when up to temp and pressure, then 3600 rpm to get past the criticals. Little more complex and such, but same kinda thing.
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Ok Folks, as far as I understand, the car club members reviewed the socket, and according to what I have been told, they all liked/loved it.

Hopefully tomorrow they will be providing their unbiased reviews on the 13/32" socket and what they really thought for all of you to read for your own edification.

It appears we can account for over 50 pieces at this point, so my plan will be to manufacture 100 in the first run. Subsequently in order to do this in a reasonable time frame I will be purchasing some different tooling. Having accounted for all the cost, and again, doing this for a labor of love and not making money, I am counting on getting my cost back with this run of 100 once they all sell. The different tooling will then allow for smaller runs after the first 100 at the same cost to the end user, if demand is there for whatever reason.

Again, hopefully everyone understands what it actually takes to produce this top quality socket without cutting any corners, and hopefully the club members who have put their hands on this socket will confirm this for you on this thread.

So here we go. The pricing we have decided on for the socket is $24.00 US Dollars plus shipping. Flat rate shipping through usps is approximately $6.00. And apparently you can order more than one, and it will still only be $6.00 for the shipping.

I am not asking anyone to pay anything now. It will take approximately 3 weeks to complete the run of 100 due to my current shop load, and schedule, as well as acquiring the blanks and tooling. Once they are complete, we will notify everyone individually who has expressed interest, as well as post it on this thread.

In the mean time, I realize some may not want to pay this much, which is fine. But would all of you who expressed interest, please reaffirm your interest at this point via this thread, private message, or email. I am assuming most will still be interested, but I don't wish to purchase tooling and such, and then end up in the hole on this project. I am also planning to pass this information along to each individual who expressed interest via private message or email as well.

I am not planning on purchasing the blanks or tooling till the end of the week just to make sure the interest is still there at this point. And it will take about a week maybe a little more to get the blanks.

Once the first run of 100 is complete, we will notify everyone who previously expressed or has re-expressed interest with regard to how to purchase. At this point purchasing will probably be via credit card through paypal unless other arrangements are made on an as need basis.

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P.S. Thank you all for your interest in this project, I feel honored to be able to help with this apparent need.
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Nice work. I'll also take 2.

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1332,
I for one enjoy soaking up as much technical info as possible. So feel free to expound on vibration, harmonics, etc, anything engine related. You obviously have good training and a good background in this stuff. Keep it coming!

For example, why are harmonic balancers not used on 4-cyl engines, even now, but always on 6-cyl and above. Seems the 4-bangers could benefit....
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I will try and explain the harmonic balancer issue in a pm to you later this evening tbird. They really are not what everyone thinks they are.
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Here are some pics of the 1st prototype socket from one of the car club members who critiqued it earlier this week. I believe he is planning to add his comments on it's performance at some point on here.

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Hi Gang, I took the photos above that Haag1332 has posted. The socket is well made, fits nice and tight to the brass nut of the GAV, and I've ordered one. I have 3 A's, owned one since 1978ish, was a MAFCA Board member, am President of my local A Club, and like a good beer and a laugh but not when I strip a nut or bolt. Get this item while it's hot as long as Bill has the time and interest. Jim Morris
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Put me down for one. Thanks much Tom
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I have had a couple of people now express interest and then contact me regarding the pricing. If you are interested, but haven't followed this enough to know the pricing, please read back to post #65 where I tried to explain everything, then let me know if you are still interested.

Thank you to all of you who knew the pricing and have reafirrmed your interest. I believe I have notified all of you who reafirrmed via pm or email.

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I have had a couple of people now express interest and then contact me regarding the pricing. If you are interested, but haven't followed this enough to know the pricing, please read back to post #65 where I tried to explain everything, then let me know if you are still interested.

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confirming that I am still in for one. no email or pm received yet.
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Sorry mitch, just sent you the pm again, but had you toward the top of the list, actually 5th, lol.
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Had u on the list as well Bud, just resent you a pm
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thanks Bill i just got it

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No PM here either. I want 3 of them.
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Just resent pm carl, and updated your quantity. Sorry for the confusion, but we had you as 3rd on the list for 2. Again, did update quantity.

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Just noticed on here that you have to wait at least 30 seconds before sending another pm. Might explain a couple of mishaps (and probably me not paying attention). Pretty sure though we have everyone on the list. If you didn't receive confirmation from me, please do not hesitate to check in with me.

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Just noticed on here that you have to wait at least 30 seconds before sending another pm. Might explain a couple of mishaps (and probably me not paying attention). Pretty sure though we have everyone on the list. If you didn't receive confirmation from me, please do not hesitate to check in with me.

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Just put you on the list for 2 Fred, will pm you as well.

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Hello Bill

Glad that you are making this much needed socket. It is almost impossible to get the housings off with out one. I stated much earlier that I made one years ago and have been rebuilding carburetors for many years. I wish I could have bought one of yours years ago. Put me down for one. Thanks.

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I did send you a pm carb guy, so you are on the list.

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Confirmation...I still want one!
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Many thanks to you folks for your interest in this socket. The list seems to keep growing and my son is working on getting things in line to start making these sockets in the next 2 weeks. Thanks again. Bill Haag Sr.
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NO thankyou Bill and your son for doing this.
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Please put me down on your list for one socket also. Thanks!
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Thank you DBF, sent you a pm to confirm.

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I have had a number of people who are following this thread, contact me outside this thread. I believe I have confirmed with everyone. As long as you have received a pm or email from me confirming you are on the list, you will receive the sockets you have requested as soon as they are ready. If for some reason you have not received a confirmation from me, please let me know.

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Please count me in for one of the Special Sockets.
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Bill, I have not received a conformation for one special socket.
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Smog tech, I did send you a confirmation via private message. If you did not receive it there for some reason, consider this your confirmation for 1 socket as soon as they are complete.

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Bill - I'd like to order 3; will send you a pm shortly.
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Ok folks, minor update but I did say I would keep everyone updated throughout this process.

I did receive the specialized tooling for this project today. Not the blanks, just the tooling.

I have spent the last 3 hours setting up an open machine for doing the broach work/making the 6 point hex part of this project. I will have to take this setup down until I receive the blanks and actually do the work, but it looks as though tooling wise we are good to go.

The blanks have been ordered, just not sure yet when I will receive them. But as soon as we have them we will get underway with annealing and such so we can start making the sockets.

Thank you all once again for your interest, and I feel honored to be part of this.

Obviously to some of you folks this is probably irrelevant to some degree, but we are moving forward, and I for one am anxious to get these things done and in everyones hands who expressed interest.

Hope you all are doing well, and I will continue to update, even though minor, as this project proceeds.

One other thing I would like to mention. Since I have been on this site I have randomly checked out other threads/discussions. I would like to thank each and every one of you for not turning this thread into some sort of crazy discussion other than what it originally started out as.........a socket. Not a bunch of other crap......well of course other than the walmart socket set comment.

Anyway, thank you all, we will see this through within the next few weeks.

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I would like one of the sockets....thanks!
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Bill , Include me in your list for one also , and Thank You for all your time and work involved .
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I still keep getting pm's regarding price and such for this socket from people just reading this thread. If you are new to this thread and have any questions regarding price and purchasing or what have you, please read back to post #65 where I posted the pricing and rough details regarding how we are going to go about this.

For all you folks already on the list, I have been amazed how much interest there is. What we thought was going to be maybe 20-25 sockets, as you can imagine if you have followed this post, has been blown out of the water. Needless to say we are going to make a rather substantial run at this point figuring there will probably be residual interest once word continues to spread.

I did check back into making these in quantity by a couple of reputable US manufacturers, however the minimum quantity would be 5000/10,000 pieces. Now there has been an unbelievable interest in these at this point, but no where close to supporting a run of 5000.

We are going to run 150, and more after that if interest warrants doing so. This will still barely pay for all the tooling and such, but as I said before, this is a labor of love and bragging rights more so than making money at this point.

Hope everyone is doing well, and again, thank you for your interest in this project.

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Old 02-27-2015, 12:44 PM   #141
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Bill, I for one appreciate what you are doing for the rest of us with this socket.
I would also like to say, and I hope others might agree... you should not lose money on this! Doing it "as a labor of love and bragging rights" is great, but please cover your costs.
I would pay a few bucks more to help...who knows what you might come up with next that would help our hobby?
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Old 02-28-2015, 12:49 AM   #142
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I appreciate your comments jax. I built in a few different things when announcing the price based on what the interest level appeared to be at the time. Believe me, if I didn't think I could recover my cost at least I would have already changed some things regarding pricing. The added level of interest has allowed me to purchase better/different tooling which I should still be able to recoup the cost on, and hopefully cut down my time to make 2 to 3 times or more the number of sockets we originally figured on. So basically, covering cost, but still a "labor" of love, lol.

In short, I think I will be fine on cost, and possibly even make a buck or 2 on any subsequent runs.

I will know for sure after I get the blanks and start running these things in the next week or so, lol.

And of course if there is any other need down the road that I may be able to help with, I am sure my father will sucker me in somehow, lol.

Hope everyone following this thread is doing well. I will keep you updated.

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Old 02-28-2015, 01:06 AM   #143
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One other thing to add to this. Due to a certain legal agreement the most time consuming part of this will probably be that I am going to have to hand stamp each socket. Since I have no automated way of doing this, no two sockets will be the same. It will probably be myself and my 2 sons doing this, so you will all no doubt end up with individualized sockets, lol.

If by chance someone out there has an actual high dollar rotary steel stamping machine which will do this process for minimal cost, please let me know since I may be interested, but the personalized thing does have kind of a nostalgic ring to it which I think fits well with this project.

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Things are moving slowly, but they are moving. The number of requests for sockets is very close to the first run limit. My son is concerned that not every socket will be perfect, so he may have to halt adding to the list until the first run is made. Hope all you followers of this thread are well.
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Old 03-18-2015, 11:20 PM   #145
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Hi All,

Minor update on the sockets.

Obviously the biggest part of this project is broaching the 13/32 hex end of the sockets. Using the broach I had made, I was able to broach 65 of the sockets before the broach wear tolerance was such that the finish clearance for the socket was not acceptable.

I have two new broaches on the way, but will not have them until Monday of next week. Once I receive the broaches I can finish the remaining blanks and get ready for the next part of the process.

The 13/32 broaching process has gone as well as expected even though I had hoped the tooling would last more than 65 pieces.

In any event, once the 13/32 broaching is complete we will move on to the inside bore of the sockets for clearance on the gav housing tube, then some finish turning on the outside followed by stamping the identification on the barrels of the sockets.

I know everyone is probably anxious to get these things in hand, but it will be a few weeks yet, due to scheduling and such before I can have these things complete and ready to ship.

Thank you all for your interest, and hopefully patience at this point. The project is moving, but possibly not quite as quick as everyone including myself would like.

Hope everyone is doing well, and as always, please feel free to contact me with any questions or concerns you may have regarding this project.

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I somehow missed this thread until now and would like very much to be added to the list for two sockets from the first, or second run if necessary.
Thanks for making this happen!
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Old 03-19-2015, 01:17 AM   #147
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Would it be possible to put me on the list as well?

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Patiently waiting for a neat new tool!
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Patiently waiting for a neat new tool!
Thank you for your patience Ray. I guarantee the quality of this tool will be well worth it.

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Mike: I know the feeling. We all have been waiting and hoping for that big bite. I have taken the gav housing out of three carbs since I got the first socket and could not be happier. I am looking for more carburetors just to use this tool. My wife don't think I need any more cause she thinks 14 sidebowl carbs and 7 other regular carbs is enough. She just don't understand. Hang in there and start reeling in, we are coming down the short rows now. I would like to take this time to publicaly thank my son for taking on this project. THANKS KID, Love Dad
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Maybe Mike just decided to go relax and do some fishing while he is waiting on the socket.

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Old 03-25-2015, 12:29 AM   #153
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Another minor update.

While waiting for the new broaches, I bored all of the sockets to receive the gav housing stem over the weekend including the ones that have not been broached yet. The plan was to do the broach work, then bore, but I decided to try and get ahead of the game any way possible.

I received the new broaches Monday and tonight was able to randomly broach a few of the unbroached sockets which I had bored over the weekend. Fortunately it looks as though they will match up just fine.

My schedule is kind of hectic right now due to my two sons motorcycle racing season starting up as well as some courses I am taking, so I am not sure when I will get to broach the remaining 85 sockets for the first run, but hopefully still this week at some point.

Once the broaching is done I still have to do the outside finish, as well as stamping which will take quite a bit of time, then finish with heat treat.

Long story short, things are moving forward.

Hope everyone is well,

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I'll be happy to test any you already have made.
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Well Mike,

I have some broached, and such, but they still need stamped and heat treated. I will make sure you get what you have ordered asap once they are completed, lol.

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I have some broached, and such, but they still need stamped and heat treated. I will make sure you get what you have ordered asap once they are completed, lol.

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Don't blame you one bit mike, lol. Might just have to make you your own personalized socket, lol.

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Old 03-27-2015, 02:48 AM   #158
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seems to me that these used to be available on special order from Sears, that's where dad got his. Maybe they aren't anymore?...
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seems to me that these used to be available on special order from Sears, that's where dad got his. Maybe they aren't anymore?...
oh gee, if Mr. Sears or Mr. Roebuck called me personally today, I would tell them I already made a commitment to a fellow that had already stuck his neck out to help the hobby....which is a lot more than what Sears is doing today. Incidentally, I would say the Model "A" hobby is in sounder shape than Sears itself is.

I'm not trying to sound like a wiseacre, just trying to emphasize we need to support those that support the hobby. Maybe on down the line he or someone else will come up with another much-needed tool for Model "A" service.
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oh gee, if Mr. Sears or Mr. Roebuck called me personally today, I would tell them I already made a commitment to a fellow that had already stuck his neck out to help the hobby....which is a lot more than what Sears is doing today. Incidentally, I would say the Model "A" hobby is in sounder shape than Sears itself is.

I'm not trying to sound like a wiseacre, just trying to emphasize we need to support those that support the hobby. Maybe on down the line he or someone else will come up with another much-needed tool for Model "A" service.
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I'm in for one. PM or email me when they are done. No hurry as my primary interest is supporting the hobby.
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Personalized sockets? Wow, that would be cool..... a socket with my name stamped in it before it is heat treated and plated. Not asking for this HAAG, just blue skying it.
Looking forward to the first release of these, signaling the start of what has been beautiful to watch grow and come to fruition. Advancing the hobby and filling a need.
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Personalized sockets? Wow, that would be cool..... a socket with my name stamped in it before it is heat treated ...
I was thinking the same thing!
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Jax,

Need to clarify something. These sockets are heat treated and tempered. NOT PLATED. They will come dark brown or black from heat treating with no surface finish as shown in the pictures earlier in the thread.

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Not plated is fine with me. Most of my "specialty" sockets are not plated, just black.

We are behind you 100% Bill!
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Bill, i understand they will not be plated..again blue skying. I did not expect them to be other than black or whatever color they turn out to be. I am just looking forward to when they are available and you are making some money ;-)
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I'm in for one. PM or email me when they are done. No hurry as my primary interest is supporting the hobby.
That's great.............please mail your check to the TW restoration project.
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That's great.............please mail your check to the TW restoration project.
I already gave (at the office)
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Heat treated is fine with me

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Old 03-30-2015, 10:37 PM   #170
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you guys who are thinking about personalizing will be able to stamp them yourselves after you get them...................of course if you wish to pay a premium to have me personalize them, lol, make me a generous offer, lol.

Hope all you folks are doing well.

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oh gee, if Mr. Sears or Mr. Roebuck called me personally today, I would tell them I already made a commitment to a fellow that had already stuck his neck out to help the hobby....which is a lot more than what Sears is doing today. Incidentally, I would say the Model "A" hobby is in sounder shape than Sears itself is.

I'm not trying to sound like a wiseacre, just trying to emphasize we need to support those that support the hobby. Maybe on down the line he or someone else will come up with another much-needed tool for Model "A" service.




I do understand...heard things about Sears but not really the details. Just trying to be helpful.
I do agree about helping those specializing in the hobby...no offense taken.
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I'll take 2. PM sent.
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Another minor update on the sockets.

Work schedule has been very busy, as well as motorcycle racing season for my two sons has started. Anyone familiar with flat track motorcycle racing will know how much time it takes to keep 4 hi performance bikes running for every weekend. Good thing is we do not have a race for 2 weeks, so I will have plenty of time to re-focus on these sockets.

In any event I almost have all of the sockets broached. I should be able to finish the rest, and start the stamping process this week. Once the stamping is done, they will get heat treat and temper which is relatively a quick process, then they will be ready to go.

I am trying to set up a web page through my business site in order to simplify the ordering process to able to use paypal or credit card. I understand some people want to pay by check which is fine, and I will give the details on how to do that when we send the notices that the parts are ready to ship.

Hope everyone is doing well.

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getting closer,

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Obviously time for an update.

This project has proven to be a bit more time and tooling consuming than originally thought.

We decided to run 150 pieces minimum for the first run. I have all but the last 20 or so broached. Due to work, racing season, family and other reasons, I have not made the progress I thought I would make.

At this point I am considering finishing the broaching, then hardening, quench and temper, and not doing the stamping which will no doubt take considerable time.

If I skip the stamping I should be able to have the sockets done in the next few weeks.

Hopefully everyone is ok with this, and I assure you the functionality of the finished product will be above expectations.

Should you have any questions please post to this thread, or pm/email me directly.

Hope all is well.

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Obviously time for an update.

This project has proven to be a bit more time and tooling consuming than originally thought.

We decided to run 150 pieces minimum for the first run. I have all but the last 20 or so broached. Due to work, racing season, family and other reasons, I have not made the progress I thought I would make.

At this point I am considering finishing the broaching, then hardening, quench and temper, and not doing the stamping which will no doubt take considerable time.

If I skip the stamping I should be able to have the sockets done in the next few weeks.

Hopefully everyone is ok with this, and I assure you the functionality of the finished product will be above expectations.

Should you have any questions please post to this thread, or pm/email me directly.

Hope all is well.

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I'd be overjoyed with socket stamped or not. As a matter of fact if it is un-stamped it would still standout as special since all the others in the tool box are stamped.
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Thank you for your support Mike. I might just have to send you your own special socket, lol. Can you shorten your name, lol?
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Doesn't worry me Bill.

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Thank you Haag for your updates! Would be nice to have it stamped but understand time, family and work commitments. I would prefer stamped but would be happy either way. Thanks again for your time on this project. Jim
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Thanks for the update. Life is to short not to enjoy along the way. Still patiently waiting.
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Thanks for the update Bill. All is good...
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I would prefer to have it stamped, even if it takes extra time/cost. But will be happy with whatever. All good things take time.
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Bill, thanks for the update. Not stamped is OK with me too as it will go in a particular place in the tool box, so no problem.
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Either stamped, or not, I'm still in.
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Thanks for all the support guys, but it obviously sounds like stamped is the preference.

I will make this happen.

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Update,

All of the sockets are now broached(most critical part). I am in the process of drilling the inside for clearance on the gav housing tube as well as turning and stamping the end of the barrel.

Hopefully things will proceed without any hitches!!

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All of the sockets are now broached(most critical part). I am in the process of drilling the inside for clearance on the gav housing tube as well as turning and stamping the end of the barrel.

Hopefully things will proceed without any hitches!!

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Old 05-21-2015, 08:53 AM   #188
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Old 05-21-2015, 12:42 PM   #189
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Thanks for the update. I'm sure all will be very pleased!!
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Old 06-20-2015, 10:57 PM   #190
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Old 06-21-2015, 09:24 AM   #191
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Old 06-21-2015, 10:13 PM   #192
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Ok Guys,

All of the sockets have been turned and bored for the gav housing. Obviously as stated last update they are all broached for the 13/32 fit.

We are now in the process of stamping them which is very time consuming as you can probably imagine since we don't have a fancy fixture to just crank them out.

The good part is we have the next 5 weeks off from motorcycle flat track racing, so my youngest son and I should be able to make a lot of progress with the stamping and last step oil quench and temper.

This process has proven to be very time consuming. Well beyond what I originally thought. And I doubt I will make another run of these for that reason.

In any event I am hoping we can finish these things up and start shipping within the next 5 weeks.

Hope all is well with everyone, and I will continue to update over the next couple of weeks.

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I'm still with ya Bill... I appreciate all your work. Hope I'm still on your list.
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Old 06-22-2015, 02:04 AM   #194
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Everyone is still on the list. And only those who are on the list will receive the sockets in the quantity they expressed interest in. I will see to it that everyone gets what they have requested throughout this entire painstaking venture, lol.

I have a complete list of everyone committed for the sockets. You have all been notified via pm or email that you have been placed on the list, so do not worry, you will in fact receive a socket.

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Old 06-22-2015, 03:07 AM   #195
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I was just teasing Bill. I know they will be done when they are done.
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Old 06-22-2015, 09:06 AM   #196
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KOOL, still patiently waiting.
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Old 06-22-2015, 09:35 AM   #197
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As we all are. Thanks Bill!
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Old 06-22-2015, 10:15 AM   #198
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Thanks Bill. All the good things in life are worth waiting for.
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Old 07-27-2015, 12:23 AM   #199
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Hi guys,

Still working on these things every chance we get. Guess I underestimated how much time doing 150 of these things would actually take with everything that is involved.

We do have some completed and are currently polishing and stamping the rest in order to do the final heat treat and temper.

We have found we will need to rebroach a number of the sockets for proper fit due to minor inconsistencies with the reproduction gav housings.

In any event, we are still working diligently on this project, so please bear with me.

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Old 07-27-2015, 04:37 AM   #200
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Hi guys,

Still working on these things every chance we get. Guess I underestimated how much time doing 150 of these things would actually take with everything that is involved.

We do have some completed and are currently polishing and stamping the rest in order to do the final heat treat and temper.

We have found we will need to rebroach a number of the sockets for proper fit due to minor inconsistencies with the reproduction gav housings.

In any event, we are still working diligently on this project, so please bear with me.

Bill
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Old 09-22-2015, 11:26 AM   #201
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Bill. I may have missed something, but wondered how these are coming along? Just curious as I have not see n anything for a couple of months.
Thanks..... just curious.
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Old 09-23-2015, 10:11 AM   #202
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I'm interested to.
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I'll take 2.
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Old 10-05-2015, 08:15 PM   #204
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Sorry guys,

I've been working on these just way more tedious than I thought. Coupled with a minor stay in the hospital last month and some cracked ribs last Sunday, lol, I am slowly but surely getting them done.

Actually I did rebroach them all and such. Just working on the stamping at this point. I am gonna try and make fixture right quick to speed this process up, as well as put a stop to the smashed fingers and numb tingling sensations, lol.

Once they are stamped I can rip through the heat treat and temper process, then ship.

Shouldn't be long now.

I know there are some of you who are new to this and have expressed interest. I will message you on here and confirm with you wether or not I can add you to the list within the next couple of days.

Hope everyone is doing well, and I sincerely appreciate the patience you have all shown with regard to this process.

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Old 10-05-2015, 08:42 PM   #205
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Bill

Good Heavens - there is no need to apologize. You are doing us a favor.

Thanks, Bill

PS sorry to hear about the cracked ribs - was a motorcycle involved? I've had a few bounces, but haven't ridden a dirt bike in years. Bill
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Old 10-05-2015, 09:01 PM   #206
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Motorcycle was not involved although thats what I should tell everyone since it sounds more manly. I could say I crashed one of my sons race bikes on a test ride or something, lol. Unfortunately it was the side of the bathtub when I slipped and fell. My wife keeps teasing me about being one step away from being sent to a geriatric ward, lol. Getting better, don't need quite as many pain killers to breath for the last couple of days, lol.
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Old 10-05-2015, 10:18 PM   #207
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A little late to the party, but one for me as well. Maybe others in our Model A club will be interested to help with shipping cost(s). If you know anyone selling at/in Tulare (Ca) early next year, that's a great venue for Model A stuff.
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Old 10-05-2015, 10:33 PM   #208
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When do you estimate these will be ready?
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Old 10-05-2015, 11:22 PM   #209
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As aways, patiently waiting.
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Old 10-05-2015, 11:40 PM   #210
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why not just skip the stamping?
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Hope you recover well! Put me in for ONE too please? And Thanx for the hard work. Chuck
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I am interested in 1 as well. I tried to read all the posts. Was a final cost ever mentioned (with or w/o shipping)? Thanks, Smitty
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Old 10-06-2015, 09:55 AM   #213
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PS sorry to hear about the cracked ribs - was a motorcycle involved? I've had a few bounces, but haven't ridden a dirt bike in years. Bill
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Old 10-06-2015, 05:31 PM   #214
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I am also late to the party, but would be happy to take 3 of the sockets please, if possible.
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Old 10-06-2015, 11:19 PM   #215
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With regard to the stamping, it's kind of a must do, as well as most members said they wanted them stamped. Guess it's kinda the one off personalized thing that most appreciate.

As I said, I will see where we stand for our first run and let the new interested folks know if I can fill there orders when the sockets are complete within the next day or so.

Without my list, I know we were over 120, and this run is only 150 minus ones I screw up. I will go over the list, and see what new orders we can accept for the first run in the order of expressed interest.

All of you who already received confirmation from me are guaranteed to get your sockets so don't worry, the original orders will be filled first.

Again, I will get to the newcomers within the next day or so to confirm or deny your order regarding this batch of sockets.

With regard to the question about final pricing and shipping or what have you. I believe the post with the pricing info was post #65. If this is incorrect could someone please correct me since I do not have time to look back through this evening

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