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Old 09-19-2019, 03:46 PM   #1
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I have been using the TCP Acrylic Urethane System with their direct to metal epoxy primer, high build primer and finally a sealer before applying the top coat. I do like their products and have had excellent results except for today. The paint does not adhere to the primer in several spots. There are small spots (about 1/16 in. diameter in an area ranging from a half dollar to 2 x 2 in.) where you can see right down to the primer. The top coat paint moves away from the area and will not adhere. Obviously, I put something very bad on top of the primer. The last thing I did before spraying the urethane top coat on the hood and doors was to wipe down the panels with PPG Acryli-Clean DX330 and wipe down with a tac rag (Bondo Tack Cloth #813 3M). I can see the places were I have a problem is where I would have done the wiping. I have never had a problem like this before. Could it be caused by the tac rag? I have always used rubber gloves, never touched the panel with bare hands. There are some panels that are perfect. As luck would have it, they were inside the hood where the engine can enjoy the perfect paint! I did make a conscious effort to wipe down the outside panels where the paint job would be seen.



The panels have two coats on them and I was planning three coats. How can I recover from this, any recommendations? Tomorrow I am going to take one of the hood panels and fine sand the bad area and thoroughly wipe down using DX330 and level the area with a spot putty. I plan to prime the area with a urethane primer in a rattle can that I got from TCP for small repairs. I would think that the primer coat will tell me if I have satisfactorily cleaned the surface.



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Ed
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Old 09-19-2019, 03:51 PM   #2
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Look up fisheye. Maybe your rags were contaminated. I like to do a final wash with TSP and water before painting.
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I have never used that product but my first thought is contamination on the tack rag. Where do you store it when not in use?
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Old 09-19-2019, 05:32 PM   #4
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I always just used an ammonia-based window cleaner before the final coat! Read somewhere that that was what to do, and did it. Seemed to work okay.
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Old 09-19-2019, 05:38 PM   #5
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Fish eyes can come from several contaminant sources. Prep rags or towels, a contaminated tack wipe, or right out of the air. I tell folks to avoid running any internal combustion engine around a paint prep area. Diesel is the worst offender. The exhaust in the air can contaminate a surface.

Fish eye eliminator can be used in very small amounts to keep this to a minimum but it is basically pre-contaminating the paint so that it will lower the surface tension and adhere better. Just a half a cap full will work for a whole quart of mix.

Oils and any liquid forms of silicon or auto wax are the worst offenders to fish eye problems. Clean, clean, and clean it again using fresh cleaning materials.
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Old 09-19-2019, 07:20 PM   #6
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Recently had the same problem I waited till it cured then wet sanded the effected area and sprayed it again no problem the second time. Assumed it was either the tack rag or wax/grease remover
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Old 09-19-2019, 08:08 PM   #7
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it appears you used an auto body tack cloth,some types for furniture have beeswax,that will screw you..Did you drain your compressor?water separator?old air hose?filter at the gun?.. I fish eyed a car real bad using an old shop air hose,the hose had compressor oil build up,not enough to see or smell,just enough to screw up the paint..cheap respray on an ex cop car, did it in a truck shop,not the best conditions.
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Old 09-19-2019, 11:00 PM   #8
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Did you call TCP and present the problem? Perhaps the DX330 is not compatible ?
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Old 09-20-2019, 12:41 AM   #9
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Did you call TCP and present the problem? Perhaps the DX330 is not compatible ?
The DX330 is just a solvent and if dried won't be the problem.
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Did you sand the sealer prior to top coat?
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Old 09-20-2019, 10:04 AM   #11
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Before of using any type of paint to a surface I use wax and grease remover. It is sold in many auto supply stores. I also wash the area before doing anything with dish soap. It removes any grease also.
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