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Wick · 10-14-2010, 06:15 PM

Im looking to add a Hit And Miss motor to my collection of stuff.
Want to carry it around in the back of the Pickup (30ccpu)
There so many brands out there Good and Bad and I dont know the difference. Any suggestions would be a big help.
Thanks
Wick

Pete · 10-14-2010, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wick

Im looking to add a Hit And Miss motor to my collection of stuff.
Want to carry it around in the back of the Pickup (30ccpu)
There so many brands out there Good and Bad and I dont know the difference. Any suggestions would be a big help.
Thanks
Wick

I have had several Fairbanks Morse of different sizes and they worked well.
No complaints. Easy to make parts for.

'29wagon · 10-14-2010, 06:37 PM

international harvester and yea fairbanks morse , find something you can be proud you restored .

Richard in NC · 10-14-2010, 06:51 PM

Your problems are going to be the cost and the weight of the engine. There are many really fun engines out there but the prices in my estimation are outrageous. Also, anything but the smallest size should be mounted on trucks for portability. This will practically use up the whole bed of an A model pickup. You may think I am crazy, but I urge you to build your own from various parts if you are mechanically inclined and have tools. I have built 3 engines so far and they are alot more fun than an antique factory made one. You can use a cylinder and piston from a compressor or from a lawn mower engine. Fab a framework and get pillow block bearings for the crank. I had 12 hit/miss engines and sold most of them. My homemade engines run better and look good and cost $50 or less each. They have hit and miss governers and will run all day long on a quart of gas.

Wick · 10-14-2010, 07:22 PM

Now this is something to think about.

Roadster62 · 10-14-2010, 07:51 PM

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I'd second the Fairbanks-Morse engine, get one with open flywheels, they look the best IMO.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete

I have had several Fairbanks Morse of different sizes and they worked well.
No complaints. Easy to make parts for.

F6Forrest · 10-14-2010, 07:52 PM

Here's a good site for engines-

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5

bdotson · 10-14-2010, 09:17 PM

I love my Fuller and johnson. but it is quite heavy here is a video of mine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDajok9btGk

Tom Wesenberg · 10-14-2010, 10:19 PM

You'd want a 1 1/2 H.P, engine, 2 1/2 H.P. at most for the back of a Model A pickup.

As mentioned, spoked flywheels look better than disc flywheels. I also like an open crank, but still don't mind having John Deere's and McCormic Deering 1 1/2 H.P. engines. I haven't bought a stationary engine for 30 years, until this spring, when I couldn't pass up a nice Hercules 1 1/2 H.P. with good original paint and pinstriping under the old layer of grease, oil, and dirt. They cost a lot more than when I last bought one, but at $500 you can still find one and have a lot of fun with it.

The LeSueur, MN swap meet in the spring is a good place to find one.

RockHillWill · 10-15-2010, 07:11 AM

Hey Wick, nice to see you in Hershey and I appreciate the gears you brought. Already have them in a one tranny. I have a couple dozen of those Hit and Miss motor, My wife and I have enjoyed them for years and they would be both appropriate vintage and cool looking with a Model A. Here is a link to some pics. I would be happy to help you in any way if you need anything.

http://www.mantiquesresto.com/Projec...hitmiss01.html

Wick · 10-15-2010, 12:08 PM

Thanks Will,looking more like a road trip down your way after the New year. Im sure I will have some more new gears by then.
Ive got about 50 different Hit and Miss engines to choose from. Then theres a pile of early Briggs and Strattons also.
The engine I want to find is the "Fisherman" they were used in the work boats. Its 600 lbs.
Wick

RockHillWill · 10-15-2010, 12:36 PM

We have one or two marine hit and miss motors in various stages of completion including a two cylinder Cady, who made 4-cylinder marine motors using Model A cylinder heads.

TomW · 10-15-2010, 03:16 PM

Check out the Florida Flywheelers. They have a couple of large shows/swap meets every year. (floridaflywheelers.org.)

zzlegend · 10-15-2010, 10:25 PM

I would like to pick one up also. Dont know anything about them but is there any good books to pick up as a starting point?

Tom Wesenberg · 10-16-2010, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by zzlegend

I would like to pick one up also. Dont know anything about them but is there any good books to pick up as a starting point?

Dyke's Manual has a section on them. If I could own only one book, it would be nice to have Dyke's. Lots of good information in that book.

RockHillWill · 10-16-2010, 07:13 AM

I have several of these Dykes manuals as well. They are an amazing assortment of factual auto and maintenance and repair information. They show how to set up an auto shop with overhead belts, equipment locations and a world of other info. There are discussions on 4-wheel drive cars and 4-wheel steering. Very cool stuff!

zzlegend · 10-16-2010, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

Dyke's Manual has a section on them. If I could own only one book, it would be nice to have Dyke's. Lots of good information in that book.

Thanks Tom. Thats just what i need to know. I assume it is out of production and only found used? I have to start looking. Mark.

Tom Wesenberg · 10-16-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by zzlegend

Thanks Tom. Thats just what i need to know. I assume it is out of production and only found used? I have to start looking. Mark.

I bought my first one at a farm sale and probably paid a buck or two for it. Don't get to many farm auctions anymore, but you can check ebay, amazon, and used book stores for a copy of Dyke's. They seem to bring about $30 and more on ebay.

Go to the local Barns & Noble and pick up a copy of "GAS ENGINE MAGAZINE". It has want ads also where you might get lucky.

Also attend some threashing shows and let the gas engine guys know you are looking for a small engine. "Small" of course being relative, because even the 1 1/2 H.P. can be a few hundred pounds.

zzlegend · 10-16-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Wesenberg

I bought my first one at a farm sale and probably paid a buck or two for it. Don't get to many farm auctions anymore, but you can check ebay, amazon, and used book stores for a copy of Dyke's. They seem to bring about $30 and more on ebay.

Go to the local Barns & Noble and pick up a copy of "GAS ENGINE MAGAZINE". It has want ads also where you might get lucky.

Also attend some threashing shows and let the gas engine guys know you are looking for a small engine. "Small" of course being relative, because even the 1 1/2 H.P. can be a few hundred pounds.

Tom thanks again. I checked ebay and will keep checking daily. And i will get a copy of that magazine also. We have a large swapmeet here in calif at the pomona fairgrounds and the first row is usually lined with alot of old boys and their hit and miss motors lined up and running. I will go to the next one and talk to some of them old boys and hopefully get some good info. And you are right. 1 1/2 or maybe a 2 1/2 H.P. would be good for what i need. Mark.

10-14-2010, 06:15 PM	#1
Wick Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gwynn's Island Va Posts: 1,386	Not A Hit and Miss Question Im looking to add a Hit And Miss motor to my collection of stuff. Want to carry it around in the back of the Pickup (30ccpu) There so many brands out there Good and Bad and I dont know the difference. Any suggestions would be a big help. Thanks Wick

10-14-2010, 06:37 PM	#3
'29wagon Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: H.B. California Posts: 451	Re: Not A Hit and Miss Question international harvester and yea fairbanks morse , find something you can be proud you restored .

10-14-2010, 06:51 PM	#4
Richard in NC Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 89	Re: Not A Hit and Miss Question Your problems are going to be the cost and the weight of the engine. There are many really fun engines out there but the prices in my estimation are outrageous. Also, anything but the smallest size should be mounted on trucks for portability. This will practically use up the whole bed of an A model pickup. You may think I am crazy, but I urge you to build your own from various parts if you are mechanically inclined and have tools. I have built 3 engines so far and they are alot more fun than an antique factory made one. You can use a cylinder and piston from a compressor or from a lawn mower engine. Fab a framework and get pillow block bearings for the crank. I had 12 hit/miss engines and sold most of them. My homemade engines run better and look good and cost $50 or less each. They have hit and miss governers and will run all day long on a quart of gas. Last edited by Richard in NC; 10-14-2010 at 06:52 PM. Reason: spelling

10-14-2010, 07:22 PM	#5
Wick Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gwynn's Island Va Posts: 1,386	Re: Not A Hit and Miss Question Now this is something to think about.

10-14-2010, 07:52 PM	#7
F6Forrest Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 33	Re: Not A Hit and Miss Question Here's a good site for engines- http://www.smokstak.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5

10-14-2010, 09:17 PM	#8
bdotson Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 59	Re: Not A Hit and Miss Question I love my Fuller and johnson. but it is quite heavy here is a video of mine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDajok9btGk

10-14-2010, 10:19 PM	#9
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Not A Hit and Miss Question You'd want a 1 1/2 H.P, engine, 2 1/2 H.P. at most for the back of a Model A pickup. As mentioned, spoked flywheels look better than disc flywheels. I also like an open crank, but still don't mind having John Deere's and McCormic Deering 1 1/2 H.P. engines. I haven't bought a stationary engine for 30 years, until this spring, when I couldn't pass up a nice Hercules 1 1/2 H.P. with good original paint and pinstriping under the old layer of grease, oil, and dirt. They cost a lot more than when I last bought one, but at $500 you can still find one and have a lot of fun with it. The LeSueur, MN swap meet in the spring is a good place to find one.

10-15-2010, 07:11 AM	#10
RockHillWill Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rock Hill, S.C. Posts: 985	Re: Not A Hit and Miss Question Hey Wick, nice to see you in Hershey and I appreciate the gears you brought. Already have them in a one tranny. I have a couple dozen of those Hit and Miss motor, My wife and I have enjoyed them for years and they would be both appropriate vintage and cool looking with a Model A. Here is a link to some pics. I would be happy to help you in any way if you need anything. http://www.mantiquesresto.com/Projec...hitmiss01.html __________________ Uncle Bud says "too soon old, too late smart!"

10-15-2010, 12:08 PM	#11
Wick Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Gwynn's Island Va Posts: 1,386	Re: Not A Hit and Miss Question Thanks Will,looking more like a road trip down your way after the New year. Im sure I will have some more new gears by then. Ive got about 50 different Hit and Miss engines to choose from. Then theres a pile of early Briggs and Strattons also. The engine I want to find is the "Fisherman" they were used in the work boats. Its 600 lbs. Wick

10-15-2010, 12:36 PM	#12
RockHillWill Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rock Hill, S.C. Posts: 985	Re: Not A Hit and Miss Question We have one or two marine hit and miss motors in various stages of completion including a two cylinder Cady, who made 4-cylinder marine motors using Model A cylinder heads. __________________ Uncle Bud says "too soon old, too late smart!"

10-15-2010, 03:16 PM	#13
TomW Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: SW Florida Posts: 135	Re: Not A Hit and Miss Question Check out the Florida Flywheelers. They have a couple of large shows/swap meets every year. (floridaflywheelers.org.)

10-15-2010, 10:25 PM	#14
zzlegend Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Reseda, Calif. Posts: 2,188	Re: Not A Hit and Miss Question I would like to pick one up also. Dont know anything about them but is there any good books to pick up as a starting point?

10-16-2010, 07:13 AM	#16
RockHillWill Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rock Hill, S.C. Posts: 985	Re: Not A Hit and Miss Question I have several of these Dykes manuals as well. They are an amazing assortment of factual auto and maintenance and repair information. They show how to set up an auto shop with overhead belts, equipment locations and a world of other info. There are discussions on 4-wheel drive cars and 4-wheel steering. Very cool stuff! __________________ Uncle Bud says "too soon old, too late smart!"