help identifying 40 ford convertible

[Kube]

Originally Posted by maneri

heard once that if a model year was left over to the next year--- that the next year date went on the title like late 1929 sold in 1930 was titled a 1930

That depended on the way the state titled and / or registered the vehicles. Some states registered the car as to the date it was sold and not by the manufacture's model year designation.

[Lanny]

I would like to know what states registered cars as to the date they were sold.

Most every car manufacturer has changes in each model year, however small,
that would make it nearly impossible to title it as a different model year.

Does anyone here have a car that is titled as a different year, than it appears to be,
say from the late 20's forward.

Please show a picture of car and year listed on title if you have one......thx







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[A bones]

Yes PA. did it that way. I owned a a '56 loaded demo model. It was sold and titled as a '57.

There is an old B/W snap some where but the car and papers are long gone.

The deal is I became the second owner in 1965. The title and registration both said January 1957 Dodge Cpe. The car was optioned out as a Royal Lancer D-500 Coronet. I understand the sales crew not wanting to let it go!

[Milt/Las Vegas]

Originally Posted by Kube

The only differences between the open and closed car dashes I had pointed out in a previous post. No other differences.

I believe the cowl mounting holes are in different locations.

[Lanny]

There are many cars that are very similar year to year, but I have
Never seen a car that could be called a '56 OR a '57 by a manufacturer.


Maybe someone has some pics and documentation. Thx





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[A bones]

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[QUOTE=turbotank;1207649

-its titled a 1940 ford 4 dr convertible. no way of getting around that

-the serial number I8*5550918* matches the title,frame, engine, and trans

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The point that post #61 and #62 bring up and I confirm is titlework need not be proof of Y.O.M.

Lanny
Pardon my concern, however you still did not see or hear of a car called both a '56 or '57. I merely Point to the fact that the state of Pennsylvania used to (I left it in the year 2000, they might still but cannot verify) title cars with the date that they first became aware of the revenue of a sale. The car might have lived on the dealers lot unsold. Nobody ever called my '56 Dodge a '57. We were, all of us, very car, model, and year conscious. The difference between the two years was night and day. It did not matter to Harrisburg. They only wanted to track the revenue.

I apologize for taking this thread else were. I'll be glad to delete my posts. It matters not to me. Let me know you understand. My house is the first one on the block

[Lanny]

Well, 2+2 isn't adding up to 4 on the original posters car and documentation.

More facts about it will prove that it is either a '39 OR a '40. There are so many
differences, it has to be one or the other. I doubt a '39 will be titled as a '40 in any state.










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[swoopNZ]

This same topic came up about 5 years ago on the Barn.
Was covered fairly well at the time.

[deuce_roadster]

Yogi Berra would say "It's like Deja Vo all over again"

[Kube]

[QUOTE=Lanny;1208737]I would like to know what states registered cars as to the date they were sold.

Most every car manufacturer has changes in each model year, however small,
that would make it nearly impossible to title it as a different model year.

Does anyone here have a car that is titled as a different year, than it appears to be,
say from the late 20's forward.

Please show a picture of car and year listed on title if you have one......thx





It's a fairly well known fact that numerous states did it that way for a number of years.
A Bones has pointed out some specific examples.

[Kube]

Originally Posted by Milt/Las Vegas

I believe the cowl mounting holes are in different locations.

They are the same.

[Kube]

[QUOTE=Lanny;1208814]Well, 2+2 isn't adding up to 4 on the original posters car and documentation.

More facts about it will prove that it is either a '39 OR a '40. There are so many
differences, it has to be one or the other. I doubt a '39 will be titled as a '40 in any state.


Lanny, flash forward to 2015... How difficult do you believe it would be to place a '39 body on a '40 chassis and go to the DMV and get a title stating 1940? Especially if all you had to do was transfer the '40 title.
Simple actually.

[STEVE O]

I know this has nothing to do with Fords but I have copy of factory Crosley dealer literature that states the dealer to mail your 1951 Crosley serial numbers plates from cars not sold that year and you will be issued 1952 serial plates, although they do have numbers stamped in the frame ??????????? I do have titles from my grandfather scrap yard titled as 2 different years, but even so a 39 is a 39 regards what a state my come up with in my opinion. MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!

[Lanny]

Originally Posted by A bones

Yes PA. did it that way. I owned a a '56 loaded demo model. It was sold and titled as a '57.

There is an old B/W snap some where but the car and papers are long gone.

The deal is I became the second owner in 1965. The title and registration both said January 1957 Dodge Cpe. The car was optioned out as a Royal Lancer D-500 Coronet. I understand the sales crew not wanting to let it go!

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In this post you say that your '56 was purhased early in '57
so it is titled as a '57.
The '57 Coronet is a completely different looking car than a '56 Coronet.

I'm saying that I don't think the purchase date determines what year
it is listed to be on the title.
The year of a vehicle is determined by the manufacturer, Not the State.










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[Lanny]

Originally Posted by A bones

The point that post #61 and #62 bring up and I confirm is titlework need not be proof of Y.O.M.

Lanny
Pardon my concern, however you still did not see or hear of a car called both a '56 or '57. I merely Point to the fact that the state of Pennsylvania used to (I left it in the year 2000, they might still but cannot verify) title cars with the date that they first became aware of the revenue of a sale. The car might have lived on the dealers lot unsold. Nobody ever called my '56 Dodge a '57. We were, all of us, very car, model, and year conscious. The difference between the two years was night and day. It did not matter to Harrisburg. They only wanted to track the revenue.

I apologize for taking this thread else were. I'll be glad to delete my posts. It matters not to me. Let me know you understand. My house is the first one on the block

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Tom, here you say that nobody ever called your '56 a '57.










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[A bones]

Yes sir. No person who could look at the car would call it a '57. Harrisburg PA, however never saw it, and did not care about Y.O.M. Hope we are good here.

[Kube]

[QUOTE=Lanny;1209175]================================================== =



In this post you say that your '56 was purhased early in '57
so it is titled as a '57.
The '57 Coronet is a completely different looking car than a '56 Coronet.

I'm saying that I don't think the purchase date determines what year
it is listed to be on the title.
The year of a vehicle is determined by the manufacturer, Not the State.

Lanny, The model year is in fact determined by the manufacturer NOW. However, in years past, this was not always the case. Some states issued titles / registrations respective of when the car was first sold.
It might not make much sense and it may be difficult for you to comprehend - however, that was the way it was done.

[Lanny]

Kube, so your saying that a '32 Ford could be titled as a '33
Or a '34 as a '35, Or a '40 as a '41 and so on.......
Is that what you are saying










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[VeryTangled]

Hi Everyone, Lanny, yup, that's what he said. People at the registration place don't really know or care if they are/were correct. It's just another piece of paper to them.

[1942deluxe]

Lanny, what Kube is saying is 100% correct. I have a 1947 Ford business coupe (799a prefix vin) which is clearly a 1947 VIN and it is titled as a 1948. If it was a 1948 it should start with a 899A prefix. In my town there is a 1936 Ford coupe that is titled as a 1935. Mutual friend hand walked the paperwork to Harrisburg ( PA.) for him. He asked the lady at the DMV if the year could be corrected easily. Her answer was "you don't even want to know what can of worms you would open". The only time I've read about Ford doing something like that was on the 1970 Shelby Mustangs. They were built as 1969's but the decision was made to drop the car and reserialize them as 1970's.