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Old 12-06-2018, 11:03 AM   #1
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Default Do you drive your A in the snow or stormy weather?

I've always enjoyed driving older cars in snow or storms...It makes it a little more adventurous.

Took the '29 out after the last accumulation of snow and had a blast. We're in a semi-rural area and its a perfect car to run over to the shop to get some things done after work. Little salt on the roads but it will wash off.

Aside from some drafts around the pedals its not too cold either.

I'd drive it in the rain too but the wipers aren't working yet
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:22 AM   #2
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Yes.............I've driven over Stevens Pass coming back from an event in Leavenworth. A's do great in the snow. Doing donuts in the skiing parking lot at the top was the most fun.
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The roadster doesn't like the cold.....
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In my experience the wipers don't work even if they do work. Rain X is your friend
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:33 AM   #5
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Dad drove his grandfather's '50 Chevy well into the 1980's before "upgraded" to a '54. One of my earliest memories was piling into the car and wrapping up in quilts to drive over to visit family. That year the ice was so bad the car was frozen to the curb.

My wife has a minivan with heated seats and DVD players that sits in a warm garage. We try to show the kids that all these comforts are just "extras" and not essentials...

Speaking of extras, does anyone still run a manifold heater (with or without a fan?) or a hot water heater?
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:59 AM   #6
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Doing donuts in the skiing parking lot at the top was the most fun.



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Old 12-06-2018, 12:17 PM   #7
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We drive our Model A Fords in all weather, and year round. Rain storms, snow, and flooded streets, it has seen it all. It is a must that the wife has her hot air manifold heater working. We have had our '29 Tudor for 50 years now and we only have two payments left to make.
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Old 12-06-2018, 02:45 PM   #8
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I'm trying to get my clutch and trans in here before Christmas so I can drive around in the snow with my wreath hanging off the front!
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Our early '29 Tudor was confy in the winter, but or Roadster is brutal forget it!
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Old 12-06-2018, 03:10 PM   #11
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The roadster doesn't like the cold.....
Is it the roadster, or the roadster driver??
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Old 12-06-2018, 03:18 PM   #12
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When I had my roadster back in the 60's I drove it in the snow as it was the only thing that would go without chains! Long before everything was front wheel drive and good gripper tires.
It would go right along even in deep snow! But you are correct, very drafty and I had no heater in it; feet froze even over the muffler!
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Old 12-06-2018, 04:21 PM   #13
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We don't get snow but the drafts you guys are talking about are VERY uncomfortable during the warmer months. Heat directly off the exhaust comes in around the pedals and straight up the driver's leg. Lousy design! As for driving in the rain, a couple of years ago while travelling in company with 4 other Model As, we drove about 300 miles in teeming rain and more miles as it eased. No wipers - just Rain-X.
Every time there is heavy rain, the news outlets show idiots driving into water and getting stranded. The 'ol Model A would sail right through without a second's hesitation. How deep would the water have to be to stop a Model A? I think it would have to be a couple of feet.
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We don't get snow but the drafts you guys are talking about are VERY uncomfortable during the warmer months. Heat directly off the exhaust comes in around the pedals and straight up the driver's leg. Lousy design! As for driving in the rain, a couple of years ago while travelling in company with 4 other Model As, we drove about 300 miles in teeming rain and more miles as it eased. No wipers - just Rain-X.
Every time there is heavy rain, the news outlets show idiots driving into water and getting stranded. The 'ol Model A would sail right through without a second's hesitation. How deep would the water have to be to stop a Model A? I think it would have to be a couple of feet.
Up to just below the carb I would guess. And keep the fan out of the water! A ignitions are not water resistant!
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Old 12-06-2018, 04:53 PM   #15
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Newly built AV8 build hit the road here in Wisconsin in the snow and freezing temps! Neighbors thought me to be crazy! My buddy Al just crouched down behind the windshield to get out of the wind! Car is fender less so it means lots to clean up but good fun.
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Up to just below the carb I would guess. And keep the fan out of the water! A ignitions are not water resistant!
That's what I thought too. In water up to the bottom of the carb, the ignition is still well and truely dry. I suspect that with the sheetmetal trays fitted and the car moving, it would keep going in water even deeper.
We can't use the type of air cleaner you guy do so I bring a tube from the carb, between the choke/GAV rod and the steerring column, then up to an air filter mounted on the radiator stays. Now how deep can I go???? Top of the oil filler? Maybe an extension on that too?
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Old 12-06-2018, 05:09 PM   #17
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I would go for a spin in the snow - if I didn't live in NYC.
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Old 12-06-2018, 05:19 PM   #18
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After living in the north and driving in the salt there is no way I would drive one of my old cars in the salt. It will get in seams and place that you will not be able to wash it out. But it will come out when it rust its way out. Back in the 50ts the cars would rust out in 4to 6 years. I think the new ones do much better.
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Old 12-06-2018, 06:17 PM   #19
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When I had my first Model, in 1964, used to drive it up to
the local mountains here in S. California, after a recent snowfall.
I was able to find a set of light duty truck chains that fit it well,
and it would go right through quite a bit of snow. Those tall skinnny
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Old 12-06-2018, 06:27 PM   #20
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After living in the north and driving in the salt there is no way I would drive one of my old cars in the salt. It will get in seams and place that you will not be able to wash it out. But it will come out when it rust its way out. Back in the 50ts the cars would rust out in 4to 6 years. I think the new ones do much better.
"4 to 6 years"? You must have lived in a dry climate! In southern Minnesota some cars, especially mid to late '50's Chrysler products, would have holes rusted through on the rocker panels and headlight eyebrows after one year! Oftentimes left side rocker panels were worse than the right side due to salt spray blasting the left side from oncoming traffic (mostly 2 lane roads).

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Old 12-06-2018, 07:37 PM   #21
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What drive in the snow??? Surely not...
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Old 12-06-2018, 07:46 PM   #22
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I drove my 1929 Coupe in Haines, Alaska, for several years. No problem in the snow! Cracking the windshield open an inch or two kept frost off the inside of the windshield. Of course, good winter clothing was a must!
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After living in the north and driving in the salt there is no way I would drive one of my old cars in the salt. It will get in seams and place that you will not be able to wash it out. But it will come out when it rust its way out. Back in the 50ts the cars would rust out in 4to 6 years. I think the new ones do much better.
George, I am totally in agreement with you.

I just finished a restoration on a '31 S/W Town Sedan that was driven once on salted Minnesota roads and then parked for 8 years without washing it. The entire bottom of the car was deeply rust pitted...nothing through but what a mess.
I rebuilt all the running gear and engine late last fall and drove it until the first snow. I then took it all apart and sandblasted everything and then painted it. That one drive on salted roads cost me the better part of $5K and what's worse than the money is the loss of body and chassis life of the car.

No way will I drive any of my cars when the salt is active on the roads. No way! Please don't do it.

Okay...I am now finished with my rant!

Stormy weather...Rain...Lot's of times!
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Old 12-06-2018, 08:52 PM   #24
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Back in the 60s I drove my 30 coupe year round, except when the roads were icy. That was when I was young and lived in Huntington New York. Without a heater it was cold at times, even with a blanket and my young wife sitting next to me. I now live in the Blue Ridge Mountains of VA in a rural area. My 4 A's, '29 Coupe, '29 CCPU, 31 AA and '31 Tudor are fair weather vehicles. During the winter the roads are well salted and I don't want that splashing up and causing rust. If it is clear and dry with rain having washed off the salt and the roads dry I'll drive them even in cold weather But oh the memories of the '60 in the snow are wonderful!
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The last time we had snow in my area was about 1987 and it only stuck on the ground for a couple of hours. So I don't drive my Model A in the snow. We only get rain occasionally (although it rained yesterday and today ). So, again, I don't drive the Model A in the rain. Luckily we have lots of sunny days all year round so I can drive almost any time I want.
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After doing all this work, NO WAY
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I have a manifold waffle heater. works great.
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Old 12-07-2018, 01:44 AM   #28
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I put 50 miles on the Tudor today. Picked up the grandkids from school. It was 20F out and not to chilly in the car. Last Christmas we took the other Tudor out with Christmas lights on it. It has a manifold heater, but the 20 below temps that night made the heater not very helpful. Windows stayed clear until we ran by Starbucks for hot chocolate. Windshield fogged up quickly and I had to keep the drivers side window partly open to see out the windshield. It was such a fun time we will be doing it again this year with the new Tudor.
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Rain bothers me. I don't like the idea of it getting into the door seams or the cowl. Anyone ever see a cowl rust? Lol. Salt is the real deal killer. My 2000 Ford Explorer that I bought new is all rusted from close to 20 winters. I'm sure my A would fare no better.

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Rain bothers me. I don't like the idea of it getting into the door seams or the cowl. Anyone ever see a cowl rust? Lol. Salt is the real deal killer. My 2000 Ford Explorer that I bought new is all rusted from close 20 winters. I'm sure my A would fare no better.
How often do you wash your car? Every time you do, it gets wet, just like in the rain.
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I find that the Model "A" drives well in fresh snow, but not good once the snow is trampled and slick.

I drove through a deep puddle in Virginia Beach once, and water was streaming out of the hood louvers. The running boards were under water. The Coupe kept on running!
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Drive in snow? I live for the snow!!
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How often do you wash your car? Every time you do, it gets wet, just like in the rain.

Only wash it a couple of times per year and I don't stream the hose on it. Light mist and I stay away from the windows.
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No A, but I have driven my T huckster in some very heavy rain (and I do mean heavy) and also snow.
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Drive in snow? I live for the snow!!
Looks like great fun! Do you have front skis for the really deep stuff?
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I do have skis for it but they don't do much good unless the snow is very hard or packed. I usually take the skis to the shows and just tuck them under the front end. Thanks for note.


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I do have skis for it but they don't do much good unless the snow is very hard or packed. I usually take the skis to the shows and just tuck them under the front end. Thanks for note.


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Model T, not A but the principle is the same:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9CgOhj0HP0
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How often do you wash your car? Every time you do, it gets wet, just like in the rain.
That's why I only wipe down my car, never wash it, and try to never get caught in the rain.


Salt on the roads is an absolute that the car gets parked until at least two heavy rains have washed ALL the salt off the roads. This really limits driving in MN, but it sure helps to save the cars.
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Yes, and not as often as l like.

It was 28 F degrees out a few days ago and the road graders were out plowing my street, so l hand cranked up the Phaeton and parked it out by the sidewalk.

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A couple questions: Do you know the history of this car? Did it start out as a mailman's car? Will it run on top of snowbanks after a typical Minnesota blizzard, or do you need solid footing?


My father and uncle purchased it in 1948 or '49 from a rural mail carrier in northern Minnesota. Prior to that, I know nothing as to when it was made, but I do know it was modified in St. Cloud, MN, which is where I live. It was made in the Pan automobile plant after Pan went out of business. I was ten or so when it became a member of the family, so I am very aware of the history from the late 40s.


As for running on top of snow banks, forget it. We always carried a shovel! Getting stuck wearing the skis, it was nearly impossible to back out because the skis would dig in so we usually had the tires on. It was usually run on Lake Kabetogama in northern MN in the winter pulling the family with our wooden skis or toboggans. I have many memories of "Ol' Betsy".
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Of course you drive an A in the snow
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Our speedster has neither a roof or windscreen wipers and we drive it in all weathers. As a rule, so long as we are going 30mph or more we stay dry, otherwise we carry a big umbrella for traffic lights and traffic jams. Rainex on the windscreen is a big help. Also no heater but the right clothing and the Vee windscreen which shelters us from the wind makes winter driving acceptable
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Hell no I don't even take mine out if the sun isn't shining---lol
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They don't salt the roads here.

They used to just use gravel, and plow, but now they also use chemical de-icing. I have only had my A for a year and a half and this year it's put away for the winter, pending me finishing putting a top on and having it painted. Last year I drove around a bit in the snow and found it to be a little different experience, but a hoot. It didn't drive bad in the snow....I would probably guess that anyone with decent experience driving any rear-wheel drive car in snow will instinctively know the moves to make to keep an A on the road. Mine also leaked like a sieve, so driving in the rain was an issue. Hopefully with the new roof and other sealing of body joints will fix that to a great degree.
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Old 12-10-2018, 12:51 PM   #46
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It doesn't snow often here , Maybe every 10 years or more . I drove our 31 standard coupe in the snow of 1977 . I had knobby Allstate mud grips on the back and they didn't use salt on the roads here back then . I had no problems driving the A in the snow . People with modern cars had lots of problems . They were asking people to stay off the roads if possible unless you drove a four wheel drive . The 4x4s and me in the model A was about the only ones that had no problems . The ditches had lots of modern cars that had slid off the road and could go no farther .

We got caught in a storm in 06 while driving the roaster with no side curtains . To make it worse it was at night and we had about 50 miled to go . We got soaked but made it home OK .

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It doesn't snow often here , Maybe every 10 years or more . I drove our 31 standard coupe in the snow of 1977 . I had knobby Allstate mud grips on the back and they didn't use salt on the roads here back then . I had no problems driving the A in the snow . People with modern cars had lots of problems . They were asking people to stay off the roads if possible unless you drove a four wheel drive . The 4x4s and me in the model A was about the only ones that had no problems . The ditches had lots of modern cars that had slid off the road and could go no farther .

We got caught in a storm in 06 while driving the roaster with no side curtains . To make it worse it was at night and we had about 50 miled to go . We got soaked but made it home OK .
Around here the 4x4 are the first to be in the ditches!
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They don't salt the roads here.

They used to just use gravel, and plow, but now they also use chemical de-icing. I have only had my A for a year and a half and this year it's put away for the winter, pending me finishing putting a top on and having it painted. Last year I drove around a bit in the snow and found it to be a little different experience, but a hoot. It didn't drive bad in the snow....I would probably guess that anyone with decent experience driving any rear-wheel drive car in snow will instinctively know the moves to make to keep an A on the road. Mine also leaked like a sieve, so driving in the rain was an issue. Hopefully with the new roof and other sealing of body joints will fix that to a great degree.

What chemicals do they use?
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Mostly salt, under various fancy chemical names: sodium chloride, magnesium chloride, calcium chloride, and potassium chloride. More recently various liquid mixtures are sprayed before a storm. These are often waste by-products from other industries.
The cheapest form of salt available is the most common, although among the most corrosive. I worked at the Arizona Highway Dept. for 27 years and saw them go from no salt (just cinders) to applying 300 lbs. of salt per lane per mile per each application. And they ran non-stop during storms.
This was in Flagstaff, where the average snowfall is about 100 inches per year. (And you thought you could find a salt-free car in that state?)
The cinder spreaders would rust out within a couple years so they started buying spreaders made out of stainless steel.
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The question was for Magicbox51 who said they didn't use salt where he lived, they use chemicals. I am well aware of what they use to ruin our cars in most places. Just junking a truck eaten up by salt brine in northern Virginia. Bought it used, my bad.



I was curious is there someplace they don't use salt or slat spray.

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Old 12-12-2018, 05:44 PM   #51
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ALMOST SURE that I never saw them use salt in Vietnam in 1968 ... not even on An Khe Pass or Mang Yang Pass along QL-19!!

Don't know about now ... have never been back or wanted to go back there to check!
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The question was for Magicbox51 who said they didn't use salt where he lived, they use chemicals. I am well aware of what they use to ruin our cars in most places. Just junking a truck eaten up by salt brine in northern Virginia. Bought it used, my bad.



I was curious is there someplace they don't use salt or slat spray.

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As I mentioned, Arizona uses some other chemicals, but these are more expensive, and only work at certain temperatures. On one scenic road, through Oak Creek Canyon south of Flagstaff to Sedona, a special chemical is used to keep salt run-off out of the Creek (salt kills stuff!). I can't remember what it was, though. Deer and elk that stay for the winter love to get out on the Interstate to lick up the salt. That's also hard on sheet metal!
You may want to do a search for 'road ice chemicals'.
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when the snow stops and roads reasonably clear
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In the winter when the roads are frozen there is no mud or rock problems on dirt roads , so yes I do.
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I have no clue. They spray the intersections and some select other places before icy conditions come. When the snow comes, they plow. But I was not under the impression that the spray was salty. I could be wrong.
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In CT I think they use a magnesium chloride solution to pre treat the roads. Can't confirm but have heard it's worse for corrosion than old fashioned road salt.

Haven't gotten any snow in a while now and the roads are still white with the crap.

I have taken mine out twice recently but only because I put a new engine in last month and couldn't resist. Usually put it away in early November and get it out in April after a good rain.

Was in Cali a couple weeks ago and while you still couldn't get me to move there I was extremely envious of the 20+ year old cars that were basically pristine.
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Here is an interesting study done by the CT Academy of Science and Engineering

http://www.ctcase.org/reports/Winter...y-briefing.pdf

Turns out they tried using corrosion inhibitors mixed with the salt around 2006 but stopped soon after...
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A little rain never hampers the Sierra Chapter OF M.A.F.C.A. when there is a parade!
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