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Old 10-23-2020, 12:02 PM   #21
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"IMHO, a new or undamaged used one would be a better choice."

I agree. Flex plates flex so a welded up crack is likely to crack again since the weld is not flexible.
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Old 10-23-2020, 02:11 PM   #22
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The problem being the newer style flex-plate (CM/FX) with starter ring gear is no longer available unless one finds NOS or take-off. So therefore, you would have to modify the trans (FMX upgrade) to accept the FOM plate and front pump.
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Old 10-23-2020, 04:39 PM   #23
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On a related note, is it safe to weld a tiny crack on a flexplate?
If you are talking about a crack in one of the brackets that is riveted onto the original '55/56 flexplate, those pieces are "spring-steel" (annealed, flame hardened). I would not recommend welding unless you can have someone do the welding and grinding flat and then duplicate the annealing process that was originally done.
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Old 10-23-2020, 05:22 PM   #24
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Figured as much...
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Old 10-24-2020, 09:01 AM   #25
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There were not any spacer rings when I took mine apart.
Correct. Early production (pre-1957) did not use a ring(s) as the flex-plate was of a heavier gauge. The redesign was introduced for 1957 assembly and later became a SERVICE REPLACEMENT PART for all pre-1957 cars. The first release (JUL 1957) only came with one ring. That later SERVICE REPLACEMENT came with three. Rhyme or reason unknown without period TSB's.

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Old 10-24-2020, 07:55 PM   #26
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After trying to use a C6 flywheel on a fmx transmission and destroying the front pump I learned to measure the distance from block to convertor and from block to ring gear before and after. This has been an interesting read.
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Old 10-24-2020, 09:01 PM   #27
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that c6 flywheel on a fmx was a hard lesson.
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Old 05-04-2021, 10:56 PM   #28
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I just replaced the flex plate in my 56 Victoria. I can confirm that the flex plate came with three rings and they all go on the convertor side. The flex plate mates directly to the crankshaft flange.

To help with installation. The rings are marked with an x and will help you clock them to the flex plate as the flange bolts are offset and not evenly spaced around the crank flange.
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Old 05-04-2021, 11:13 PM   #29
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This is the Flex Plate in my 1956 Mercury Monterey with the 312 V8 Engine. A few years back, when idling, there was a noise coming from the transmission area that we could not detect where it was coming from. We pulled the Engine and noticed that the riveted "fingers" on one side of this Flex Plate were loose, and that was what was causing this noise. Took the Flex Plate to an Engineer and he tightened them up and there is no noise there now. Problem solved.
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Old 05-05-2021, 07:31 AM   #30
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I wish the rings that came with my plate had “X”s marked. It was like solving a Rubix Cube to finally get everything to line up.
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Old 05-05-2021, 12:24 PM   #31
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Again, those are reinforcing plates. They were used with the original flex-plate install and used with the SERVICE REPLACEMENT flex-plate install he is showing (same PN and number of reinforcing plates).

I doubt if anything needs to be re-balanced as FORD would have the same balance between the early and late or most likely would have not superseded the original part with the later design.

Proper attaching cap screw length and grade must also be verified.

How they are placed will affect ring gear - starter drive engagement position as well as convertor to front pump engagement clearance.

The FORD-O-MATIC SHOP MANUAL is a must here if there were no plates on disassembly.
Let me qualify this as I entered incorrect info -

The original plate had no reinforcing ring(s) as it was of a heavier gauge.

There were two different replacement flex-plates, both showing the same SERVICE PN B7A 6375-A.

The first replacing flex-plate released had only one reinf ring, B7A 6383-A. The second released called for three reinf rings (incl w/ flex-plate), B9AZ 6A366-A.

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How they are placed will affect ring gear - starter drive engagement position as well as convertor to front pump engagement clearance.
I need to see either the TSB or correct SERVICE PROCEDURE concerning placement. You have to verify proper convertor to pump clearances.
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Old 05-05-2021, 12:28 PM   #32
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I bought my new style stamped flexplate from Mac’s and it included the three rings. The six holes around the center do not match up with the holes on the crankshaft. I checked another source that also sold the new flexplate and their picture looked identical to the one from Mac’s. The one difference was they included a note in the description that you only use four of the holes, not all six. I was able to attach the new flexplate with the three support rings using just four bolts.

You know, these parts houses are getting scary ...
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Old 05-07-2021, 02:38 AM   #33
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In case it wasn't clear in my post. I used ALL of the existing crank flange bolts.

It is completely possible to line up the flex plate and spacer rings with the crank flange bolt holes.

If you have trouble please persevere. Torque the bolts to 85 ft pounds. I found it best to nip up all the bolts and then torque them in a star formation up to 85 pound.
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I just replaced the flex plate in my 56 Victoria. I can confirm that the flex plate came with three rings and they all go on the convertor side. The flex plate mates directly to the crankshaft flange.



To help with installation. The rings are marked with an x and will help you clock them to the flex plate as the flange bolts are offset and not evenly spaced around the crank flange.
Can you explain how to put the new flex plate on, there are the 3 fingers on the old plate and not on the new one.

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Do the below ILL's help?
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Do the below ILL's help?
Thanks, now where do the 3 shims go?

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Thanks, now where do the 3 shims go?

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The REINF RINGS (PN 6A366) (as of this writing) go between the flex-plate (PN 6375) and PN 7950 on 2nd ILL.
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Thanks, now where do the 3 shims go?
The flexplate fits onto the crankshaft flange, then the reinforcing rings, and the 6 crank shaft flange bolts hold them all on, at 75 - 85 ft lbs.
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The flexplate fits onto the crankshaft flange, then the reinforcing rings, and the 6 crank shaft flange bolts hold them all on, at 75 - 85 ft lbs.
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