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Mitch Bunkin in PA · 06-09-2011, 08:25 AM

Hello:
Did early (Jan-Mar) 1928 cars have separate emergency brake shoes? My friend has a very early TUDOR with 4 service brakes, but no sign of E-brakes on rear. Did someone "monkey" with his car along the way or did the earliest cars only come with 4 shoes instead of 6? Thanks in advance for any info.
Mitch Bunkin

Steve Plucker · 06-09-2011, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mitch Bunkin in PA

Hello:
Did early (Jan-Mar) 1928 cars have separate emergency brake shoes? My friend has a very early TUDOR with 4 service brakes, but no sign of E-brakes on rear. Did someone "monkey" with his car along the way or did the earliest cars only come with 4 shoes instead of 6? Thanks in advance for any info.
Mitch Bunkin

Your friends car is correct...the change to the separate E-brake system started in April of 1928 in some assembly plants and was completed by June of 1928 according to the MARC/MAFCA RG's and JS's.

Pluck

Tom Wesenberg · 06-09-2011, 08:44 AM

Your friend's car also has different drums, wheel studs, and wheels that should not be mixed with later wheels, as the don't bolt together correctly.

Mitch Bunkin in PA · 06-09-2011, 12:52 PM

Thanks Pluck and Tom. I'll pass on the information. When I read the RG & JS I still didn't understand how many brake shoes were installed at the start. I appreciate your help.

John Duden · 06-09-2011, 01:56 PM

my 28AR truck only has one brake shoes and the emergency brake holds the brakes open, no seperate brake band
John

kenparker · 06-09-2011, 05:24 PM

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The early system (some call it the AR system) only had 4 sets of brake shoes. The rear drums were made exactly like the front drums and were interchangeable. Put another way. There was no separate brake/shoe system. When you pulled the Parking brake lever the service brakes on all four wheels locked.

pooch · 06-09-2011, 06:28 PM

My phaeton is june 28 and has old system, so must be one of the last of the dinosaurs.

John LaVoy · 06-10-2011, 08:03 AM

My phaeton is a May 28 and had the early system too.

Mitch Bunkin in PA · 06-10-2011, 12:53 PM

Thanks everyone. I appreciate the input.

Mustang · 06-10-2011, 02:09 PM

The early cars with the brake lever on the left side used the service brakes for parking brakes as well.
Many states had laws that required the parking and service brakes to be separate systems, resulting
in a hasty redesign of the Model A brake system, which including as well as the change to the brake assembly, the moving of the brake lever to the center just ahead of the gear shift lever
and a change to the design of the wheels.

Regards
Art

06-09-2011, 08:25 AM	#1
Mitch Bunkin in PA Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Pipersville,Bucks County,PA Posts: 142	Early '28 brake question Hello: Did early (Jan-Mar) 1928 cars have separate emergency brake shoes? My friend has a very early TUDOR with 4 service brakes, but no sign of E-brakes on rear. Did someone "monkey" with his car along the way or did the earliest cars only come with 4 shoes instead of 6? Thanks in advance for any info. Mitch Bunkin __________________ WEBSITE=http://faculty.bucks.edu/bunkinm/ "Most people ONLY want to know what they already believe and nothing more."

06-09-2011, 08:44 AM	#3
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Early '28 brake question Your friend's car also has different drums, wheel studs, and wheels that should not be mixed with later wheels, as the don't bolt together correctly.

06-09-2011, 12:52 PM	#4
Mitch Bunkin in PA Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Pipersville,Bucks County,PA Posts: 142	Re: Early '28 brake question Thanks Pluck and Tom. I'll pass on the information. When I read the RG & JS I still didn't understand how many brake shoes were installed at the start. I appreciate your help. __________________ WEBSITE=http://faculty.bucks.edu/bunkinm/ "Most people ONLY want to know what they already believe and nothing more."

06-09-2011, 01:56 PM	#5
John Duden Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,854	Re: Early '28 brake question my 28AR truck only has one brake shoes and the emergency brake holds the brakes open, no seperate brake band John

06-09-2011, 05:24 PM	#6
kenparker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Van, Texas Posts: 1,122	Re: Early '28 brake question Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) The early system (some call it the AR system) only had 4 sets of brake shoes. The rear drums were made exactly like the front drums and were interchangeable. Put another way. There was no separate brake/shoe system. When you pulled the Parking brake lever the service brakes on all four wheels locked.

06-09-2011, 06:28 PM	#7
pooch Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Coast NSW Australia Posts: 2,596	Re: Early '28 brake question My phaeton is june 28 and has old system, so must be one of the last of the dinosaurs.

06-10-2011, 08:03 AM	#8
John LaVoy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rocklin, CA Posts: 1,219	Re: Early '28 brake question My phaeton is a May 28 and had the early system too.

06-10-2011, 12:53 PM	#9
Mitch Bunkin in PA Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Pipersville,Bucks County,PA Posts: 142	Re: Early '28 brake question Thanks everyone. I appreciate the input. __________________ WEBSITE=http://faculty.bucks.edu/bunkinm/ "Most people ONLY want to know what they already believe and nothing more."

06-10-2011, 02:09 PM	#10
Mustang Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 63	Re: Early '28 brake question The early cars with the brake lever on the left side used the service brakes for parking brakes as well. Many states had laws that required the parking and service brakes to be separate systems, resulting in a hasty redesign of the Model A brake system, which including as well as the change to the brake assembly, the moving of the brake lever to the center just ahead of the gear shift lever and a change to the design of the wheels. Regards Art

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