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Old 08-23-2014, 12:37 PM   #41
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Nothing ever moves quick enough for me. The time from idea to production is like eternity to an impatient man. In the last week, while finishing the top, I got my foundry and core quotes and have my final cost worked out for iron or aluminum. I also drew up the "B" pump end and a finned style. I need to go over the poll again and see what all I will have to do.

First will be the Winfield style with the square cornered chamber, then the crow's foot.

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Hey Tod,
Some times it's good to have an 'impatient' one (leader) in your corner,eh ! In this case, for us, definitely ..a yes !!
I'm guilty of the 'sin' of impatience myself....she says ! Maybe so, as when told ...be patient... I often see in my minds' eye , two starving vultures up above a dying road 'kill' creature. 1 saying to the other...patience my arce, I'm gonna kill me something !!
Hey young man, go kill us some square cornered IRON Winfields ..QUICK !
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Old 08-26-2014, 10:17 AM   #42
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The top of the "Winfield" iron version is finished and in the mold box and the deck/combustion chamber side is being roughed out right now. Should be done before lunchtime and then I will start the finish pass cutting. Might have the deck half of the mold finished by tomorrow evening or Thursday. Sure hope it is ready to mold before the holiday weekend. I need a few days off!

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Old 08-27-2014, 04:50 PM   #43
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The deck side of the pattern is finished! Combustion chambers are the square cornered version. I will cut the crow's foot style after sampling this casting.

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Old 08-28-2014, 03:09 AM   #44
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Great stuff

Any pics?
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Old 08-28-2014, 06:13 AM   #45
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Great stuff

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I can send you a couple of the unpainted pattern. Email me.

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Old 08-28-2014, 11:12 AM   #46
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I can send you a couple of the unpainted pattern. Email me.

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Hey Juggler,
YES...wow !!!
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Old 09-29-2014, 10:54 AM   #48
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The deck side of the pattern is finished! Combustion chambers are the square cornered version. I will cut the crow's foot style after sampling this casting.

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Any updates?

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Old 09-29-2014, 03:07 PM   #49
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Any updates?

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Actually, yes. Since the block is pretty much out of my hands for a couple of days, while molds are made and cores are coated, I finished the top side of the pattern today (pattern paint), so it is ready to mold up. Then I can test fit the core plug in an actual mold. Then the deck side mold box needs finished and I can have cores made to sample some castings.

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For what it is worth, this combustion chamber design works very good on an A/B.

The picture is of a flathead V8 but the A/B head looked exactly the same only scaled up to a 4 inch bore.

The B version was 10.1 to 1 and the engine made 168 hp. on av gas.

I started with a Dan Price head.
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Old 09-29-2014, 05:27 PM   #51
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This is an exciting thread. I was wondering if anyone had considered using 3D printing to prototype his efforts?
I took a tour of Edelbrock's engineering facilities this last year and they use the new printing techniques to help engineer their new products. They flow test the manifolds and heads, make any corrections to the resin models before ever making a metal part. Of course they can't dyno a plastic part, but they fine tune the pattern before ever making a 'real' part. This idea might work on something like ideal spark plug location, manifold shape, or crows foot design.
Just a thought. . . .

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Old 09-29-2014, 05:55 PM   #52
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For what it is worth, this combustion chamber design works very good on an A/B.

The picture is of a flathead V8 but the A/B head looked exactly the same only scaled up to a 4 inch bore.

The B version was 10.1 to 1 and the engine made 168 hp. on av gas.

I started with a Dan Price head.
Hey Pete,
That YOUR design ? Wow, looks real interesting ! Looks like plug is situated toward intake, more so than to exhaust. Anyway, everything that I've read/seen says that that's the proper/best location !

Geeze, even with my CVS eyes on, that pic it tiny. Can you make it bigger to study from this end ? Hm, thot that Dan P quit making flatheads, maybe an old copy ?

Seems like something that Tod would like to check out,eh ?

BTW..At 10.1:1...how are you dealing with sealing combustion on the B (fire rings/ O-rings ...what method ??

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Hey Pete,
That YOUR design ? Wow, looks real interesting ! Looks like plug is situated toward intake, more so than to exhaust. Anyway, everything that I've read/seen says that that's the proper/best location !

Geeze, even with my CVS eyes on, that pic it tiny. Can you make it bigger to study from this end ? Hm, thot that Dan P quit making flatheads, maybe an old copy ?

Seems like something that Tod would like to check out,eh ?

BTW..At 10.1:1...how are you dealing with sealing combustion on the B (fire rings/ O-rings ...what method ??
1- No, it is a basic Edelbrock copy.(flatheadV8) Dan Price told me to do it that way.
2- It is a poor quality pic. Blowing it up makes it worse.
3-The last one I did was an NOS original.
4- Tod would have to do a market analysis. I doubt there would be much
of a demand. Most people don't want to go that fast.
5- No O-rings. Copper gasket with aluminum paint.

No gasket problems. You have to be absolutely sure there is at least .010 clearance from the fire ring seat to the chamber all around
BOTH on the head and block. Many head gasket problems are caused by
not checking this. Doweling the head to the block (as many modern engines) makes it a lot easier to check.
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Hey Pete,
Thanks, learned a couple good tips here !

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Any updates Tod ??
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Old 10-18-2014, 01:32 PM   #56
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Hey Tod,
On 8/26/14 you were 'cutting' the Winfield head. What happened to that head, i.e.- did it machine up well ...what ? Pics ?
Are you still keeping the 'list' of us who have expressed Winfield IRON need ?
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Old 10-18-2014, 05:21 PM   #57
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On 8/26/14 you were 'cutting' the Winfield head. What happened to that head, i.e.- did it machine up well ...what ? Pics ?
Are you still keeping the 'list' of us who have expressed Winfield IRON need ?
The pattern is finished and ready to mold up in sand. I have not machined the core plug yet because I got a pattern to cut and the machine has been busy cutting that pattern.

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The pattern is finished and ready to mold up in sand. I have not machined the core plug yet because I got a pattern to cut and the machine has been busy cutting that pattern.

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Thanks ! Hope you don't wear those machines out...before getting to those iron winfields
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Thanks ! Hope you don't wear those machines out...before getting to those iron winfields
Me too! But other options are always available. It is on its way to reality. Time is always my biggest problem.

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