oil line from oil pump retaining port to timing over, help please.

[Nosetime]

Hello, and greetings to this board, I'm Greg from Huntington Beach, ca. I am going through a 1930 A that has not been ran in at least 25 plus years. As we are going through things I have noticed a steel line going from the port that would help retain the oil pump on assembly, to the timing cover? I cannot find anything describing this. The engine/transmission/chassis appear to be all original condition? I appreciate any advice. I will try and post some pics, as well.

[Nosetime]

upside down sorry

[Tom Wesenberg]

Someone thought the timing gear needed more oil, but they were wrong.

I'd get rid of it and buy another gear side cover.

[Nosetime]

Or just plug it for now, we just want to see if it will run, but thanks, it needs to go I assume?

[SeaSlugs]

yea id say so. That cover is hardly ever bad so yea you can plug it but id ask around for a new one - should be free to $5 or less haha.

[Nosetime]

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Thanks Tom and Sea Slug!

[J Franklin]

The overflow from the valve chamber spills onto the timing gears so unless there was mods done in the chamber that line is unnecessary.

[Tom Wesenberg]

If you remove the cover, thread the hole, and use a plug, be sure it clears the gear teeth.

[eagle]

I would check to see if there are other mods that make this necessary. If you are just trying to get the engine running, I'd leave it. You never know what people dream up.

[JDupuis]

Welcome to the barn Nosetime. The hole under the carb, for retaining the oil pump is a pipe thread. So you need a small pipe plug. A bolt in there will leak. Good luck. Jeff

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

OILER "HISTORY": I "heard" that it was "invented" by an Old Ford Tractor mechanic. "Maybe" the tractors DIDN'T have enough oil to the gears???
Minerva had one, the upper timing cover bolt was drilled, to accept the oil line!
"Maybe" some of you tractor fans know about it???
Bill W.

[JOHN CT]

On model ts people install a external oil line to the front timing cover. To make sure that the front bearing gets oil when they go up hill. Maybe that's what they did.

[Jim Brierley]

I would just eliminate that line. Some modified engines were changed to full-pressure oiling, this involved drilling the crankshaft, etc. Yours does not appear to be this way. Oil to the timing gears like you have does little to nothing to oil the gears so delete it.

[J Franklin]

Check first!

[Chuck Sea/Tac]

I would pull the valve cover to see if any other weird things are inside, plus you can check for sludge. If there's sludge,then you should pull the oil pan and clean as well. The mains and cam bearings get there oil thru gravity fed holes inside the valve cover, so make sure they're not plugged.

[wensum]

In desperation to try and stop a very noisy timing gear rattle, I too ran an oil line to squirt oil on the gears, (Having an external filter and pressure fed mains) but it made no appreciable difference, and a harmonic balancer cured the rattle and a vibration period in the motor
Keith

[BILL WILLIAMSON]

Often, Guys are "confused" about that "ripped" out wall in the front of the oil chamber, that allows oil to spill over onto the timing gears???
It sorta' looks like an AFTERTHOUGHT! I can just hear, "While the block is still HOT, jist grab them KROOKEDY PLIERS & RIP out a CHUNK"!!!!
I actually heard of a Guy, that "rebuilt" that area with J.B. Weld!!!
Bill W.

[Gold Digger]

I wonder if that engine has had an oil filter on it at some time or other with oil line coming from the pump hole to the filter and then in the timing gear cover. I have had some combine engines out of Texas that had filters on them and were connected this way.

[Tom Wesenberg]

Originally Posted by Gold Digger

I wonder if that engine has had an oil filter on it at some time or other with oil line coming from the pump hole to the filter and then in the timing gear cover. I have had some combine engines out of Texas that had filters on them and were connected this way.

That's possible, but I'd have dumped the oil back into the valve chamber, so you don't take oil away from the mains.

[Nosetime]

Thanks to all! Put plugs in the holes and will run without it. Pulled pan and it was remarkably clean , oil pump appears to have had some brazing repair at some point, but everything looks stock. Hope to try and run it this weekend.