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Lowbuckboz · 09-13-2013, 09:52 AM

Anybody run stock 19" A wheels at 60 to 70 mph? If so, how are they as far as vibration is concerned with the tire balanced? How true was a new 19" wheel back then? Thanks guys!

willobs · 09-13-2013, 10:01 AM

I tryed but I must have a governor as mine only goes to 54MPH

Lowbuckboz · 09-13-2013, 10:04 AM

Lol! This is for a little bit of a hotter model A!

CarlG · 09-13-2013, 10:09 AM

I have 19" wheels on mine, 60-65 is no problem. Haven't ventured much past that. I usually try to stay in the 50-55 range when on the open highway, just for my own piece of mind.

Lowbuckboz · 09-13-2013, 10:12 AM

Cool, thanks Carl!

Purdy Swoft · 09-13-2013, 10:34 AM

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I don't do this anymore. My speedster with 19 inch wheels and Allstate tires starts an out of balance feeling at 65 mph and goes out at just above 70 mph. The roadster with 19 inch wheels and Insa tires has never done trhis. Both cars have lead balanceing weights added to the back side of the wheels.

Lowbuckboz · 09-13-2013, 10:40 AM

Hey Purdy, this with original wheels? How true did they spin? A lot of wheel weights on them? Thanks!

Purdy Swoft · 09-13-2013, 11:02 AM

Yes, I use original model A 19 inch wheels. I only use the truest originals that I can find. I think That 1/8 inch out was considered acceptable for new wheels by Ford in the day. Some are better. Dyna beads that is used inside the tube is said to balance better but I have never tried them

TerryH · 09-13-2013, 11:08 AM

On the freeway I usually keep my 1930 Town Sedan around 60, sometimes up to 65, and it rides and tracks just fine, and the wheels seem to be well balanced and true.

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 09-13-2013, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lowbuckboz

Anybody run stock 19" A wheels at 60 to 70 mph? If so, how are they as far as vibration is concerned with the tire balanced? How true was a new 19" wheel back then? Thanks guys!

As Purdy said, an 1/8" is within spec but most NOS were actually closer to a 1/16th. With a little work, you can easily obtain 1/16th on a good wheel.

Lowbuckboz · 09-13-2013, 11:19 AM

I've only checked one wheel on a balancer at work. Just want to spin it and look at it just by eye. I'd say more than an 1/8th left to right wobble. How difficult are they to straighten? I assume by way of heat to certain spokes? I've not searched the topic as of yet. Great answers from all you guys, this place is a wealth of knowledge! Thank you!

Lowbuckboz · 09-13-2013, 11:26 AM

Shall I retro fit this here truck?

Just kidding!!!

BRENT in 10-uh-C · 09-13-2013, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lowbuckboz

I've only checked one wheel on a balancer at work. Just want to spin it and look at it just by eye. I'd say more than an 1/8th left to right wobble. How difficult are they to straighten? I assume by way of heat to certain spokes? I've not searched the topic as of yet. Great answers from all you guys, this place is a wealth of knowledge! Thank you!

I heat & shrink the spoke, and stretch in a Bear Wheel Straightening press. There is info out there about this topic.

Lowbuckboz · 09-13-2013, 11:32 AM

Good deal Brent, thanks!

George Miller · 09-13-2013, 11:40 AM

In my 1930 pickup I use to have, had it to 75 with 19 inch wheels. It drove good . But you are not going to go 75 with a stock A.

zzlegend · 09-13-2013, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lowbuckboz

I've only checked one wheel on a balancer at work. Just want to spin it and look at it just by eye. I'd say more than an 1/8th left to right wobble. How difficult are they to straighten? I assume by way of heat to certain spokes? I've not searched the topic as of yet. Great answers from all you guys, this place is a wealth of knowledge! Thank you!

Try this.
http://www.durableperformance.net/Do...2.4.09.web.pdf

Lowbuckboz · 09-13-2013, 12:00 PM

Excellent simple info right there! Great link! Thank you!

Chuck Sea/Tac · 09-13-2013, 12:10 PM

Instead of balancing weights a lot of us in Seattle have been using the ceramic beads inside the tubes. Works great!

Chuck Sea/Tac · 09-13-2013, 12:12 PM

Look up dyna beads on line. Motorcycle shops use them. Also big trucks and giant turbine wheels

CarlG · 09-13-2013, 12:43 PM

I ordered what I thought were Dyna Beads from Snyders, but they sent another brand. Haven't used them yet, so can't say if they do the same job as has been reported by others using Dyna Beads.

BILL WILLIAMSON · 09-13-2013, 01:30 PM

With Firestone 19" tires, Minerva was TOTALLY smooth all the way up to 75 MPH, with NO balance weights! I always forget to ask Glen if he did the Dyna-Beads when he put the tires on. Bill W.

DougVieyra · 09-15-2013, 02:53 AM

Good wheels and good tires take the 65 miles quite well - if all else is o.k. with your car. The real concern in STOPPING ! And I somehow don't feel confortable driving my 85 year old flivver at a sustained 65 mile speed, even though it can comfortably do it. Besides my concentration of listening for any 'new' sound - I don't think I and my '28 Ford can respond well against the modern kamakazi's that are constantly juxiposing (sp?) in both speed and lanes - much like an Indy track race. So I drive in MY 'comfort zone' of 50 - 55 mph, with an occasional burst of 60 - 65 to pass a '58 Volkswagen. Again, it's really about the old flivver being able to STOP and safely wiggle between fast-moving obstacles. The 19" tires can handle it, but I can't.

Jordan · 09-15-2013, 09:00 PM

My A currently has 19's on it. I drove 3,000 miles in one week back in May- all at or above 60 MPH. I have them balanced, but they were good wheels to begin with and good tires.

glenn in camino · 09-15-2013, 09:14 PM

I've had my deluxe delivery well over 70 mph, in overdrive, on a gentle down hill. No problems with balanced wheels.

John LaVoy · 09-16-2013, 09:32 AM

We had the 21" wheels balanced on our sedan and it runs smooth up into the 70 MPH range. We haven't had the roadster pickup that fast yet but the 19" wheels with the radial tires handle nice and seem to be working well. Once we get the engine broken in good we will run it a little faster to see how it drives then.

09-13-2013, 09:52 AM	#1
Lowbuckboz Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Deerfield, NJ Posts: 85	19" A wheels... Anybody run stock 19" A wheels at 60 to 70 mph? If so, how are they as far as vibration is concerned with the tire balanced? How true was a new 19" wheel back then? Thanks guys! __________________ 1927 T, 1930 A coupe, 1929 A Roadster, 1933 Dodge pickup, 1935 5 window coupe

09-13-2013, 10:01 AM	#2
willobs Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: SW Fla Posts: 202	Re: 19" A wheels... I tryed but I must have a governor as mine only goes to 54MPH

09-13-2013, 10:04 AM	#3
Lowbuckboz Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Deerfield, NJ Posts: 85	Re: 19" A wheels... Lol! This is for a little bit of a hotter model A! __________________ 1927 T, 1930 A coupe, 1929 A Roadster, 1933 Dodge pickup, 1935 5 window coupe

09-13-2013, 10:09 AM	#4
CarlG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 9,115	Re: 19" A wheels... I have 19" wheels on mine, 60-65 is no problem. Haven't ventured much past that. I usually try to stay in the 50-55 range when on the open highway, just for my own piece of mind. __________________ Alaskan A's Antique Auto Mushers of Alaska Model A Ford Club of America Model A Restorers Club Antique Automobile Club of America Mullins Owner's Club

09-13-2013, 10:12 AM	#5
Lowbuckboz Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Deerfield, NJ Posts: 85	Re: 19" A wheels... Cool, thanks Carl! __________________ 1927 T, 1930 A coupe, 1929 A Roadster, 1933 Dodge pickup, 1935 5 window coupe

09-13-2013, 10:34 AM	#6
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: 19" A wheels... Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) I don't do this anymore. My speedster with 19 inch wheels and Allstate tires starts an out of balance feeling at 65 mph and goes out at just above 70 mph. The roadster with 19 inch wheels and Insa tires has never done trhis. Both cars have lead balanceing weights added to the back side of the wheels. Last edited by Purdy Swoft; 09-13-2013 at 12:10 PM.

09-13-2013, 10:40 AM	#7
Lowbuckboz Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Deerfield, NJ Posts: 85	Re: 19" A wheels... Hey Purdy, this with original wheels? How true did they spin? A lot of wheel weights on them? Thanks! __________________ 1927 T, 1930 A coupe, 1929 A Roadster, 1933 Dodge pickup, 1935 5 window coupe

09-13-2013, 11:02 AM	#8
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: 19" A wheels... Yes, I use original model A 19 inch wheels. I only use the truest originals that I can find. I think That 1/8 inch out was considered acceptable for new wheels by Ford in the day. Some are better. Dyna beads that is used inside the tube is said to balance better but I have never tried them

09-13-2013, 11:08 AM	#9
TerryH Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fountain Valley, Calif. Posts: 937	Re: 19" A wheels... On the freeway I usually keep my 1930 Town Sedan around 60, sometimes up to 65, and it rides and tracks just fine, and the wheels seem to be well balanced and true.

09-13-2013, 11:19 AM	#11
Lowbuckboz Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Deerfield, NJ Posts: 85	Re: 19" A wheels... I've only checked one wheel on a balancer at work. Just want to spin it and look at it just by eye. I'd say more than an 1/8th left to right wobble. How difficult are they to straighten? I assume by way of heat to certain spokes? I've not searched the topic as of yet. Great answers from all you guys, this place is a wealth of knowledge! Thank you! __________________ 1927 T, 1930 A coupe, 1929 A Roadster, 1933 Dodge pickup, 1935 5 window coupe

09-13-2013, 11:26 AM	#12
Lowbuckboz Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Deerfield, NJ Posts: 85	Re: 19" A wheels... Shall I retro fit this here truck? Just kidding!!! __________________ 1927 T, 1930 A coupe, 1929 A Roadster, 1933 Dodge pickup, 1935 5 window coupe

09-13-2013, 11:32 AM	#14
Lowbuckboz Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Deerfield, NJ Posts: 85	Re: 19" A wheels... Good deal Brent, thanks! __________________ 1927 T, 1930 A coupe, 1929 A Roadster, 1933 Dodge pickup, 1935 5 window coupe

09-13-2013, 11:40 AM	#15
George Miller Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NC Posts: 2,975	Re: 19" A wheels... In my 1930 pickup I use to have, had it to 75 with 19 inch wheels. It drove good . But you are not going to go 75 with a stock A.

09-13-2013, 12:00 PM	#17
Lowbuckboz Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Deerfield, NJ Posts: 85	Re: 19" A wheels... Excellent simple info right there! Great link! Thank you! __________________ 1927 T, 1930 A coupe, 1929 A Roadster, 1933 Dodge pickup, 1935 5 window coupe

09-13-2013, 12:10 PM	#18
Chuck Sea/Tac Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Between Seattle & Tacoma Posts: 2,354	Re: 19" A wheels... Instead of balancing weights a lot of us in Seattle have been using the ceramic beads inside the tubes. Works great!

09-13-2013, 12:12 PM	#19
Chuck Sea/Tac Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Between Seattle & Tacoma Posts: 2,354	Re: 19" A wheels... Look up dyna beads on line. Motorcycle shops use them. Also big trucks and giant turbine wheels

09-13-2013, 12:43 PM	#20
CarlG Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 9,115	Re: 19" A wheels... I ordered what I thought were Dyna Beads from Snyders, but they sent another brand. Haven't used them yet, so can't say if they do the same job as has been reported by others using Dyna Beads. __________________ Alaskan A's Antique Auto Mushers of Alaska Model A Ford Club of America Model A Restorers Club Antique Automobile Club of America Mullins Owner's Club

09-13-2013, 01:30 PM	#21
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: 19" A wheels... With Firestone 19" tires, Minerva was TOTALLY smooth all the way up to 75 MPH, with NO balance weights! I always forget to ask Glen if he did the Dyna-Beads when he put the tires on. Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

09-15-2013, 02:53 AM	#22
DougVieyra Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Eureka, California Posts: 1,716	Re: 19" A wheels... Good wheels and good tires take the 65 miles quite well - if all else is o.k. with your car. The real concern in STOPPING ! And I somehow don't feel confortable driving my 85 year old flivver at a sustained 65 mile speed, even though it can comfortably do it. Besides my concentration of listening for any 'new' sound - I don't think I and my '28 Ford can respond well against the modern kamakazi's that are constantly juxiposing (sp?) in both speed and lanes - much like an Indy track race. So I drive in MY 'comfort zone' of 50 - 55 mph, with an occasional burst of 60 - 65 to pass a '58 Volkswagen. Again, it's really about the old flivver being able to STOP and safely wiggle between fast-moving obstacles. The 19" tires can handle it, but I can't.

09-15-2013, 09:00 PM	#23
Jordan Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ft. Worth Posts: 1,006	Re: 19" A wheels... My A currently has 19's on it. I drove 3,000 miles in one week back in May- all at or above 60 MPH. I have them balanced, but they were good wheels to begin with and good tires. __________________ Cowtown A's

09-15-2013, 09:14 PM	#24
glenn in camino Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Camino, CA. Posts: 3,086	Re: 19" A wheels... I've had my deluxe delivery well over 70 mph, in overdrive, on a gentle down hill. No problems with balanced wheels.

09-16-2013, 09:32 AM	#25
John LaVoy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Rocklin, CA Posts: 1,219	Re: 19" A wheels... We had the 21" wheels balanced on our sedan and it runs smooth up into the 70 MPH range. We haven't had the roadster pickup that fast yet but the 19" wheels with the radial tires handle nice and seem to be working well. Once we get the engine broken in good we will run it a little faster to see how it drives then.