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Old 12-19-2016, 01:03 PM   #1
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Default Model T verses Model A - why own a Model T ? ? ?

What prompted this query, was this morning's visit to my 'Christian Science Reading Room" - AKA "Out House". At my modern day out-house, instead of the old Sears, Roebuck / Montgomery Wards catalogs - I now have my BERT'S, BRATTON'S, SNYDER'S catalogs. There, while perusing the SNYDER's catalog I thought I would see what the Model T section had for today's Model T owner/restorer.

I know that quite a few of this Forum's Model A owners also own and drive the earlier Ford Model T. I myself was for several years the proud owner and driver of a 1914 Model T. But that was years ago (no, I did NOT buy it new!).

For today's owners/drivers of the Ford Model T - can you tell the 'A' Forum members what and why you have a Model T, and what there is about it that you especially enjoy, over the Model A.
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Many called them a "T-TOM"--Their sound is UNMISTAKEABLE ! !
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As I said before, anybody can fix a Model A but it takes a real mechanic to fix a Model T. My 1924 one door Roadster ( Doctors convertible ) gets way more attention on the road and st shiws than my six Model A's. Wayne

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Old 12-19-2016, 04:08 PM   #4
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We have just started touring with Model T groups, and it is absolutely fantastic. The speeds are slower (30-35) and for some reason, the general membership is a younger crowd. It takes some skill to initially drive the car, but it has become second nature to me now, and it is no more challenging than driving an "A". Model T's are inexpensive. A good Touring body style can be had for less than 10K, and sedans trade a little lower than that. Like your Model A, the Model T is a simple car to wrench on. Aside from getting run over by modern traffic, I can think of no drawbacks to adding one to your stable.
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Model T's are neat: I don't have one never did probably never will but I still like them. Rode in one at Greenfield Village last fall and thought it was a blast!

And yes, Brent has commented about how the Model T's are drawing younger fans. I think that's great.

One nice thing about T's AND A's is that they really don't take up much room in the garage. Not like the '67 Ford Galaxie I used to have
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And yes, Brent has commented about how the Model T's are drawing younger fans. I think that's great.


entry level is easier with a T- if you stay away from the earlier cars. Model T's can be more affordable.
I have a model R, and the primitiveness of the car, is what attracts me to it, even though I have a few model A's.
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I inherited mine from my father, who got it from his father. Having said that, Model T's are definitely a different beast than a Model A. Much, much slower and quite frankly, a bit of a danger to drive in the city. I drive mine out on country roads, 30-40 mph. The Model T is basic transportation, particularly the black era T's. Brass T's are cool but expensive. I think the attraction is the age and primitive nature of the beast.
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I owned a Model T about 15 years back. They are a little more primitive then the A's but a fun car to drive. The only complaint I had with them is they do travel a little too slow for modern traffic and I like to drive my cars.

Here is the car it is a 1926

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When I was a teen, I was very interested in a Model T. I then switched to Model As. I had little recent interest in one, even though a Model A buddy tried to convince me to buy one. Then I came across one in a lady's garage that had been sitting since 1964 that I am trying to buy. 50/50 chance of that, I think, but, regardless, I may end up with a T some time. I have never driven one, but I have really gotten a hankering for one again.

T's are cool, the Model A's predecessor, the car that put American on wheels and if you are a Ford buff, an almost must have.

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Old 12-19-2016, 05:47 PM   #10
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We have a 1916 touring thats been in our family since 1941 and stored since ww2 that I just got running a year ago. the big drawback is modern traffic, with its slower speeds,not much brakes or lights. but its sure fun to drive! and the best part is the crank start! the A is a lot more practical its a big jump in modern technology!
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What prompted this query, was this morning's visit to my 'Christian Science Reading Room" - AKA "Out House". At my modern day out-house, instead of the old Sears, Roebuck / Montgomery Wards catalogs - I now have my BERT'S, BRATTON'S, SNYDER'S catalogs. There, while perusing the SNYDER's catalog I thought I would see what the Model T section had for today's Model T owner/restorer.

I know that quite a few of this Forum's Model A owners also own and drive the earlier Ford Model T. I myself was for several years the proud owner and driver of a 1914 Model T. But that was years ago (no, I did NOT buy it new!).

For today's owners/drivers of the Ford Model T - can you tell the 'A' Forum members what and why you have a Model T, and what there is about it that you especially enjoy, over the Model A.
I ask myself that question a few days ago. I have two model A's and really enjoy them. Then I saw this really nice T on flea-bay and I bid in it. I stayed up until the last ten minutes of bidding and I could have won it. Then thinking I really like my A's and don't drive them enough. No regrets.
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Old 12-19-2016, 06:31 PM   #12
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As far as a hobby item:

a. It appears similar to old guns and having an old breech loader that one can load with shotgun shells, or a little older, where one provides powder and shot through the muzzle; and/or,

b. Similar also to owning an early Model T, and/or going a little further back with owning something like an enclosed "Cozy Cab" with a windshield and sliding doors which is horse drawn.

c. Old guns, old buggies, and old cars were all extremely well designed by very sensitive artist.

c. If one tries to design and actually draw a vintage antique, buggy, car and/or gun & compare it to that which was manufactured years ago, one can begin to appreciate "all" of yesteryear's art work.
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If I had a place to store one, I'd have own a Model T. It's fun learning to old technology. Getting 6'2" 250 lbs squeezed into one is another challenge.
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Had a 27 doctors coupe, liked it just because it looked mechanically basic. Pedals were to close together, no place to store it, to many irons in the fire. Did not want to go thru the learning curve. But I think t's are neat.
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Old 12-20-2016, 12:35 AM   #15
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I grew up with Model T's and Model A's both are wonderful cars and each has its own personality. My Mother drove a Model A four door sedan as her daily car as her daily car when we were growing up in the 1950's. My Father had a 1915 Model T touring and a 1915 Model T Center Door sedan that we went on Horsless Carriage Club tours with. When it was time to get my first car it was a 1929 Tudor sedan.
I still have the Tudor Sedan and the Two Model T's plus a Model T Speedster.
I am in the Model T Club and The Model A Club and switch off driving the cars depending
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Everyone should have a T in their collection.
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I own both a model T 27 Roadster and my 28 Model A. They are chalk a cheese to drive but I love them both. The T is great for local driving and we are lucky that traffic is not a problem here where I live. The Model A is of course much more suited for long distance driving of which I have done a great deal.
As others have mentioned the Model T does attract a younger demographic today and those of the older generation get very excited whenever they see the Model T and the first question they always ask is "Is she still running on those Buzzer Coils." There is a special feeling when you turn on the ignition key and the engine starts right up without hitting the starter button, and that to me is the most special part of owning a Model T.
Most people are also facinated by the two speed Planetary Transmission, and how you can rock the car forward and reverse by simply pressing one pedal or the other.
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WHY NOT! Love to own a T roadster.. Just need a bigger boat I mean garage...
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Getting 6'2" 250 lbs squeezed into one is another challenge.

Hmmmm, I sure don't feel that is a problem in my Ts (as evidenced by the pictures below). I feel like I have plenty of room. Matter of fact, I am more comfortable driving a T than an A, and I am about your same size. Folks often forget that you ride in a Model-A, and you ride on a Model-T.

Also, when we can safely do so, I will drive my Ts at about 45-48 MPH on the open road. There are MANY folks on here that have Model-As that struggle to do this! My Ts all have a modern camshaft, a high compression head, and they are stock-appearing, and due to the power to weight ratio, they can run right beside a Model-A. And even with 2-wheel Rocky Mtn brakes, I can even stop just as quick as many as Model-As out there with their worn-out 4-wheel brakes!!

Another thing I often hear and kinda think it is funny is, you will hear Model-A people in their 60s & 70s who no longer do overnight club tours because they say they are getting too old to participate however there are many 70-80 y.o. Model-T owners who will put their Ts on/in a trailer and transport them half-way across the country to tour for 5 long days in the July heat ....and without A/C in their Model-T. When you think about all of this in this light, kinda makes you want to scratch your head and ponder a bit more, huh??

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My pickup gets called a "Model T" a lot of the time anyway.
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Part of the experience owning a Model T is listening to some sidewalk commando explaining to you why your restored 1926 Channel Green Coupe with factory wire wheels is actually a Model A, not a Model T. He knows this because all Model T's were black and had wooden spoke wheels. His third grade teacher had told him so. Showing him the three pedals in the driver's compartment does no good. His explanation? Someone must have put a Model T transmission in my Model A.
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I have an "A" and an early V8....so I would love to have an earlier Ford, perhaps a "T" Roadster someday....
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Marshall, Post # 22: "And these Einsteins vote and reproduce."
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Oh, how sad it is to have to say Marshall, you are sooo right !
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I have had a goodly number of pre- 1935 cars in my years as a car thief. And sadly, it has always been the shortage of storage space that has caused me let go of any of them. It seems I am not alone in this universal injustice. Oh, how I envy you guy who have those huge storage spaces.

Like so many of us, I too have only a double car garage. Through a well-thought out plan of sniveling, I have secured the garage for my two Model A Fords - leaving my 'New" 1969 VW and my wife's 'New' 2000 Nissan Maxima OUT in the cold and wet of the 'Great Out Doors' !

But, had I the inside storage space, I most definitely would have a '15 Brass Touring Car. I say '15 ('16) because it is the cheapest of the brass radiator cars; and I do like the looks of the Brass radiator.
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They are chalk a cheese to drive?
Sorry if you Americans don't understand our Lingo "Lingo=Language" Chalk and cheese is a common saying here in Aust. It means they are as different as Cheese is to Chalk.
Yes, we all speak English just a slightly different variety.
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I agree with everything Brent said. My Center Door Sedan has a "hot" motor in it and
will go 55mph, my T Speedster will run circles around a Model A, just once I opened it up
and went 85mph on the GPS. My touring is bone stock with the cast iron pistons and
is wonderful driving experience it is real nice 25-35. It will go 40-45 but I don't usually run
it there. Those cast iron piston motors pull real strong on the lower end.
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Biggest reason I can think of is "COST"! Cost to restore, cost to buy. A very nice T (black era) can be gotten for under $10,000 with many in the $7000-8000 or even under that. Plus they are fun to drive! On club tours, we try to pick roads that are low in traffic for our longer tours or are 4 lane non freeways type so people can get around us. Around town I have no problem driving at traffic speeds, sometimes it 's the modern cars that I wish would speed up some!
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The Ford Model A has a pretty extensive, intensive, exhaustive, comprehensive and rigorous set of 'Judging Standards', which are pretty in-depth and daunting.

I see that Snyder's catalog lists (in their Model T section, pg 3) a MODEL T JUDGING GUIDELINES ($37.50). For those of you who have a Model T, and are working towards a 'correct' restoration, how does the Model T Ford Club of America's 'JUDGING STANDARDS' compare?

It also looks like there has been a name change since the days that I belong to the club - now called MTFC 'International', instead of MTFC 'America'.
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"how does the Model T Ford Club of America's 'JUDGING STANDARDS' compare?"

"Sorry to be the voice of doom, but don't waste your money or hopes on the Model T Judging Standards. VERY primitive and lacking any detail found in the Model A Standards. In fact, I'll GIVE you mine for postage only. Virtually worthless, IMHO.
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I have a 25 coupe and a 31 roadster. They are very different cars. It is fun to see the evolution of the automobile in this short time span

My T has a high compression head, and hydraulic disc brakes on the rear, and an E-timer, but I set it up that way, because we like to tour. We can run 100 miles a day or more, and I actually find it is easier to drive than the Model A.

The Model A is bone stock, and is a "pretty car" with the stainless headlight buckets, and chrome bumpers and windshield frame. But it just doesn't have the same feeling as the T.

Side by side, most people are drawn to the Model A, because, it is "prettier".

I agree Model T folks are different that Model A folks. Kind of hard to pin it down, but I might sum it up with what has been said before, Model T folks are not in a hurry, Model A folks like to really cruise it on down the road....
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Judging is not as big a deal as with A's and V8's. I think it is the other way around, the international club is an offshoot of the MTFCA which was formed in California but both are now located somewhere in the Mid-West.
Over the years there have been other books that cover the progression of what goes to what years. Remember we are talking about Oct 1908 to about March of 1927, there were steady "improvements" over the years. When the old parts were used up at the factory the new parts were put into service or at a branch office. Because of that not every car made in a Model year would be the same say at the factory or Portland Or. for a given month. That would be a lot of factory memos that would have to be included because many of the changes were very small.
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Thanks for the info Brent, it gives me hope!
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The Model T is a great fun car for short distances (parades) etc; but are slow to be safe and they don't stop quickly. I really do enjoy my 30 Delux Model A Roadster which has no such limitations as the T, but I do miss the nice little 23 Model T Runabout that I sold a few years ago. I wish I haden't sold it cuz now I have neither the car or the money.
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