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Ya can't fix a flathead that ain't broke.....…..well, ya just can't! DD
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I think you are the next guy to tell me something. Like 3sp transmissions are stupid. If I cared about running like a modern car I would buy a camry.
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Hey hey guys...remember we´re all here to enjoy and share...
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Electric oil pressure gauges are suspect.Mechanical gauges are closest to accurate at the center of the gauge needle sweep.The reason the factories went to idiot lights is thats all the operator needs,excess oil pressure in actuality robs power by loading the pump..idiot lights stopped idiots from wrongly assuming engine wear from a 5 dollar gauge.
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From 'Roadrunner Engineering' > http://www.roadrunnerengineering.com/TechTips.html
"As many flathead owners have observed, the idling oil pressure for a warm flathead is often 10 psi or less. While 10 psi is sufficient at idle (it should rise approximately 10 psi per 1000 rpm) it is not very comforting to those used to the higher numbers from modern engines." "Melling Engine Parts manufactures a high volume oil pump for the flathead designated the M-15 which delivers 25% greater volume capacity than their model M-19 which is the stock equivalent. Peak oil pressure is set by the oil pressure bypass valve (either in the pump or in the engine), however the higher capacity will produce significantly higher oil pressure at low engine speeds. To use the high capacity oil pump in 1948 and earlier engines, a truck oil pickup tube assembly, P/N 8RT-6615 is required. The 1949 and up engines can use their stock oil pickup assemblies. Some bending of the pick up tube may be required to assure adequate clearance (about 1/2in) between the oil pickup screen and the oil pan. The oil pressure relief valve in the center valley of the older engines is usually left in place even though the new pumps have a built in relief valve."
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40 deluxe you need to go back and reread oil pressure we have now. 12/15# at 55mph about half what it should be, idle 2/3 # as the song says "those statistic for a modern engine, don't impress me much"
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Point taken. I was responding to comments that seemed to recommend a need for extreme oil pressure, like 80 lbs., which is totally unnecessary. |
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This might not answer the question. but, I had an old engine that didn't have any oil pressre at Idle. I pulled it from the truck and set it aside. A few month/years later I installed it on a run stand and it still didn't have any pressure at idle. I removed the plug from the pump outlet on the block to see if it was putting any oil out, When I started the engine the oil shot out across the yard,. Not sure what happened to that engine, we were going thru allot of them back then
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Well this post is up to #50 now so after that many posts the winner I mean answer is?
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40 deluxe, what we are think about is the high volume pump which happens to be the 80# variety, actually what we are looking for is more oil flow not necessarily a lot more pressure
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In my opinion, you and murre had the correct answers and procedures in posts #10 and #11. Terry
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Heres some food for thought using the 80# pump will not give you more flow. If more flow is what your after than the Melling M-15 HIGH volume oil pump is the one to use. Now I know theres going to be a flood of comments that the M-15 pump should not be used however. The decision to try a pump for more flow will only be accomplished by installing the M-15. And to add to more comments heres what you should do with your front pressure relief spring area. Place a small ball bearing in the chamber doing this will close off that front oil leak complexly. Use the plunger {the stem will need to be shortened slightly so the cover can go on} and spring to hold the bearing in place. You should see a slight improvement in your pressure reading. And the answer is yes to the question have I tried this myself and I can say no flatheads were harmed in any way during those experiments. As a matter of fact they all have survived rather well. ![]() Ronnieroadster
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Good info in these PDF's from Melling >
https://www.melling.com/wp-content/u...re-vs-flow.pdf https://www.melling.com/wp-content/u...lume-pumps.pdf
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If the engine has the original longbody pump in it now changing to a shortbody #80 std pump actually raises the flow a bit since you are going from straight to helical cut gears.
If a fresh shortbody pump aint enough i would check the bearings and surfaces next. If we start blocking the gallery oil relief spring the oilpressure gauge will probably peg for a long period...and it shouldn´t open until #50 is reached if in good shape. There´s no simple answer to theese kind of problems...taking the pan off and checking bearings would be the best start. |
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Bearings limit flow. Better bearings better pressure. If you need to add more oil pressure I'd last to think the pump. But too much pressure is just that, same with flow. In my opinion on a flathead. 90% of us don't need 90 lbs of oil pressure. A few might. 10lbs is all you need hot idle. If you think you need more oil pressure on a flathead, add more fuel pressure to your carburetor to make it faster.
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Ok, so you've got an 80lb pump installed with a built in relief valve. Others have said you can 'regulate' the engine oil pressure through the relief valve at front of valve chamber. The engine will see pressure as regulated by the lower setting of the two r/v's Way I see it, the rear main which is fed directly from the pump can conceivably get higher pressure than the rest of the engine. Which adds to the rear main leak in engines not equipped with a rear seal. Or am I wrong?
You all know I play with 21 studders, always chasing that rear main leak...just because I run a 336 oil pump in it!! [Hi flow or what?!!]
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If you are going to regulate it with spring pressure, why do you need a high pressure pump? Just asking.
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That said oil lines restricting flow can make a difference....but not splitting into 2 oil lines with the relief spring in the end of one line. The added flow is the issue for the slingers to handle...can only throw out and gravity feed back so much oil... |
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