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nosoup4u · 12-02-2018, 06:49 PM

Is it always super hard to get them on? The shoes on the cam side are against the rollers and the adjusting cone is all the way in. Are my cheap eBay brake shoes too big?

Charlie Stephens · 12-02-2018, 07:03 PM

Did you have the shoes arced to the drums before you installed them?

Charlie Stephens

nosoup4u · 12-02-2018, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Stephens

Did you have the shoes arced to the drums before you installed them?

Charlie Stephens

No even sure what that means.

30 Mike · 12-02-2018, 07:27 PM

Nosoup4u, in short that means they measure your drums and basically grind your shoes to fit the same diameter ( or arc )

nosoup4u · 12-02-2018, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 30 Mike

Nosoup4u, in short that means they measure your drums and basically grind your shoes to fit the same diameter ( or arc )

Just looked it up. Never even thought about it

Bill G · 12-02-2018, 08:29 PM

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You should also make sure the e-brake band lining is not in the way. It too comes into play.

Curtis in MA · 12-02-2018, 09:58 PM

You said cone is all the way in, it should be out.

MAG · 12-02-2018, 10:19 PM

Please buy some "How To" books if you don't have them. Repairing these brakes is not difficult but there are some things that must be absolutely correct. They are not to be taken lightly and there are no shortcuts. Brakes and steering are two areas that if not repaired properly can cause catastrophic results. Done properly they can work as well as they did when new.

nosoup4u · 12-02-2018, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Curtis in MA

You said cone is all the way in, it should be out.

In out depends on your perspective. It’s screwed toward the differential.

Charlie Stephens · 12-02-2018, 10:26 PM

The government decided that breathing the dust from arcing the brake shoes was bad for our health (and in this case they were probably right). They required the machines to be retrofitted with enclosures, fans and filters. This proved expensive and since most cars were going to disc brakes most of the shops stopped doing the work. Put your general location in your profile and maybe someone can recommend a place to do the work. If that doesn't work try contacting your local Model A or Early Ford V8 Clubs. Still no luck maybe you can have a shop measure your brake drums and send the shoes back through the place you purchased them to the company that manufactured them. Good luck.

Charlie Stephens

wmws · 12-03-2018, 07:58 AM

There are two different lining thickness. The thicker one is for drums that have been turned .060 or more. They are 1/16 thicker. I think the thicker ones are 1/4 inch. The thin ones would be 3/16.

1crosscut · 12-03-2018, 01:32 PM

Being that you are near Lincoln take the shoes and drums into Lincoln Clutch and Brake to have them arched to fit the drums. Most likely it will be my brother Steve that will do the work on them. Once they are done keep the shoes with the drum they are matched to.

arnhemmer · 12-03-2018, 02:32 PM

You can arc the shoes by using a sanding block. Mark the high or low spots with the shoe in the drum and sand accordingly using light pressure. The material comes of quickly. Keep checking as you proceed, it takes only about ten minutes per lining. Today it is hard to find a shop that arcs drum brakes.

Purdy Swoft · 12-03-2018, 04:41 PM

[QUOTE=nosoup4u;1701731]Is it always super hard to get them on? The shoes on the cam side are against the rollers and the adjusting cone is all the way in. Are my cheap eBay brake shoes too big?

If the lining is riveted to the shoes , I file or grind a taper at the leading and trailing ends of the lining . I allow the taper to extend from the outer end of the lining almost to the first two rivets . Sometimes when the lining is riveted on it can cause s the lining to kick outward very slightly on the ends of the shoes , A taper on the ends will relieve the end drag and hopefully reduce the radius enough to allow the drums to go over the lining . The shoes need to be centered inside the drums , Usually by the time when the lining has to be replaced the tracks will be worn enough to cause problems with centering the shoes . Sometimes the brake cams can become stuck in the brake cam shaft . The cams must be free floating or the brakes probably cant center . Just a thought .

nosoup4u · 12-04-2018, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 1crosscut

Being that you are near Lincoln take the shoes and drums into Lincoln Clutch and Brake to have them arched to fit the drums. Most likely it will be my brother Steve that will do the work on them. Once they are done keep the shoes with the drum they are matched to.

That's good to know. The weird part is, they arc perfectly, they are just too big.

1crosscut · 12-04-2018, 12:34 PM

Linings may just be a bit too thick. The same process can used to reduce the thickness of the lining. The trick is to get just the right amount taken off for them to fit. Not enough and you are taking another trip back to town. A little too much and you reduce the life of them but... most don't put that many miles on that reducing the lifespan an extra percentage is a big deal.

12-02-2018, 06:49 PM	#1
nosoup4u Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 111	Installing rear brake drums Is it always super hard to get them on? The shoes on the cam side are against the rollers and the adjusting cone is all the way in. Are my cheap eBay brake shoes too big?

12-02-2018, 07:03 PM	#2
Charlie Stephens Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,032	Re: Installing rear brake drums Did you have the shoes arced to the drums before you installed them? Charlie Stephens

12-02-2018, 07:27 PM	#4
30 Mike Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 43	Re: Installing rear brake drums Nosoup4u, in short that means they measure your drums and basically grind your shoes to fit the same diameter ( or arc )

12-02-2018, 08:29 PM	#6
Bill G Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Walla Walla, WA Posts: 1,045	Re: Installing rear brake drums Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) You should also make sure the e-brake band lining is not in the way. It too comes into play. Last edited by Magicbox51; 12-02-2018 at 08:50 PM.

12-02-2018, 09:58 PM	#7
Curtis in MA Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Leicester, MA Posts: 296	Re: Installing rear brake drums You said cone is all the way in, it should be out.

12-02-2018, 10:19 PM	#8
MAG Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 925	Re: Installing rear brake drums Please buy some "How To" books if you don't have them. Repairing these brakes is not difficult but there are some things that must be absolutely correct. They are not to be taken lightly and there are no shortcuts. Brakes and steering are two areas that if not repaired properly can cause catastrophic results. Done properly they can work as well as they did when new. __________________ I noticed the harder I work the luckier I get!

12-02-2018, 10:26 PM	#10
Charlie Stephens Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 7,032	Re: Installing rear brake drums The government decided that breathing the dust from arcing the brake shoes was bad for our health (and in this case they were probably right). They required the machines to be retrofitted with enclosures, fans and filters. This proved expensive and since most cars were going to disc brakes most of the shops stopped doing the work. Put your general location in your profile and maybe someone can recommend a place to do the work. If that doesn't work try contacting your local Model A or Early Ford V8 Clubs. Still no luck maybe you can have a shop measure your brake drums and send the shoes back through the place you purchased them to the company that manufactured them. Good luck. Charlie Stephens

12-03-2018, 07:58 AM	#11
wmws BANNED Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Coatesville, Pa Posts: 719	Re: Installing rear brake drums There are two different lining thickness. The thicker one is for drums that have been turned .060 or more. They are 1/16 thicker. I think the thicker ones are 1/4 inch. The thin ones would be 3/16.

12-03-2018, 01:32 PM	#12
1crosscut Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 1,909	Re: Installing rear brake drums Being that you are near Lincoln take the shoes and drums into Lincoln Clutch and Brake to have them arched to fit the drums. Most likely it will be my brother Steve that will do the work on them. Once they are done keep the shoes with the drum they are matched to. __________________ Dave / Lincoln Nebraska

12-03-2018, 02:32 PM	#13
arnhemmer Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: San Jose California Posts: 150	Re: Installing rear brake drums You can arc the shoes by using a sanding block. Mark the high or low spots with the shoe in the drum and sand accordingly using light pressure. The material comes of quickly. Keep checking as you proceed, it takes only about ten minutes per lining. Today it is hard to find a shop that arcs drum brakes.

12-03-2018, 04:41 PM	#14
Purdy Swoft Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama Posts: 8,099	Re: Installing rear brake drums [QUOTE=nosoup4u;1701731]Is it always super hard to get them on? The shoes on the cam side are against the rollers and the adjusting cone is all the way in. Are my cheap eBay brake shoes too big? If the lining is riveted to the shoes , I file or grind a taper at the leading and trailing ends of the lining . I allow the taper to extend from the outer end of the lining almost to the first two rivets . Sometimes when the lining is riveted on it can cause s the lining to kick outward very slightly on the ends of the shoes , A taper on the ends will relieve the end drag and hopefully reduce the radius enough to allow the drums to go over the lining . The shoes need to be centered inside the drums , Usually by the time when the lining has to be replaced the tracks will be worn enough to cause problems with centering the shoes . Sometimes the brake cams can become stuck in the brake cam shaft . The cams must be free floating or the brakes probably cant center . Just a thought . Last edited by Purdy Swoft; 12-03-2018 at 04:49 PM.

12-04-2018, 12:34 PM	#16
1crosscut Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 1,909	Re: Installing rear brake drums Linings may just be a bit too thick. The same process can used to reduce the thickness of the lining. The trick is to get just the right amount taken off for them to fit. Not enough and you are taking another trip back to town. A little too much and you reduce the life of them but... most don't put that many miles on that reducing the lifespan an extra percentage is a big deal. __________________ Dave / Lincoln Nebraska