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Old 02-17-2018, 11:55 AM   #1
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Default rleated to NOS vs NORS thread: "restored"

Id enjoyed the thread started earlier today in regard to the true definition of NOS vs. NORS parts. I am hoping a number of folks will pay attention to Dave and learn from his very accurate response.
Now, along those lines...
"RESTORED" is one word that is nearly always misused.

A fellow can't describe a car as "RESTORED" and then go on to explain all the "upgrades" that he installed as well as the candy apple red paint, etc.

Restore: to repair or renovate (a building, work of art, vehicle, etc.) so as to return it to its original condition.
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Old 02-17-2018, 12:06 PM   #2
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Amen. Tell this to the auction house folks - who should know better.
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Amen. Tell this to the auction house folks - who should know better.
Yeah, but it doesn't serve their purposes.
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Default Re: rleated to NOS vs NORS thread: "restored"

Kinda like the word “Vintage”, which is thrown around a lot. I’ve seen new made stuff for sale advertised as vintage. And they are not wrong because it could be 2017 Vintage!
See Webster’s; “a period origin or manufacture”
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Old 02-17-2018, 01:39 PM   #5
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I like to look down inside doors when the windows are down to see if the "total restoration " was just a external paint restoration--- only saw one car at Hershey that the inside of the door was restored--- I know it is expensive, I have over 8 hours in a wiper motor and it worked before I started

Proper restoration to original specs would eliminate many "needed" modifications
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I like to look down inside doors when the windows are down to see if the "total restoration " was just a external paint restoration--- only saw one car at Hershey that the inside of the door was restored--- I know it is expensive, I have over 8 hours in a wiper motor and it worked before I started

Proper restoration to original specs would eliminate many "needed" modifications
You and I are on the same page. There are in reality few true total restorations. Guys that know my work, know that places that will never be seen once the car is assembled are as nice as places that will be seen.
With me, it's a matter of pride.
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:08 PM   #7
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A close second in the misnomer race is "barn find".
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Old 02-17-2018, 02:13 PM   #8
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I like the "patina" of an "unrestored" "original" car....
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Default Re: rleated to NOS vs NORS thread: "restored"

Another term is how "Henry made it" if Henry Ford spent that much time on the assembly line, I sure Ford wouldn't have produced over twelve million flathead's.

When I was looking to buy my '41 I looked at a lot of "restored" cars with Chebby motors and automatics in them. To some sellers modifying somehow means restored.
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Old 02-17-2018, 05:22 PM   #10
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Does anyone know how what should be known as a 'body-off restoration' became the term 'frame-off restoration'? Physically, the latter makes no sense whatsoever. Maybe it came from the folks who brought us the sail-less mast of the steering column.
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Old 02-17-2018, 06:45 PM   #11
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I'll guess body off means right side up. Frame off, upside down. Did I guess right? 8^) Jack E/NJ
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A close second in the misnomer race is "barn find".
“Barn find” pi$$es me off more than “restored to original” .
I’m dropping the frame out from under the body on my ‘51 for paint and floor patches but I still won’t call it “restored”......Mark
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Then how about calling it frame-drop refreshed? I'll bet that would sound impressive to some folks. Jack E/NJ
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In my eyes the term "restored" means it's just like it rolled out of the Rouge plant. There are damn few "restored " Fords out there. I know there are lots of them that I call redone or refurbished , me included ,that have these cars and enjoy them but when the term " restored " is used it means a whole nother ball game for me.
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On my model A i lifted the body off the frame ---body off restoration,
on my 36 the frame was dropped out from under the body---frame off restoration
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In my eyes the term "restored" means it's just like it rolled out of the Rouge plant. There are damn few "restored " Fords out there. I know there are lots of them that I call redone or refurbished , me included ,that have these cars and enjoy them but when the term " restored " is used it means a whole nother ball game for me.
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Old 02-18-2018, 12:35 PM   #17
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Default Re: rleated to NOS vs NORS thread: "restored"

Fixed up junk fits a lot of stuff, anymore i just like something that's roadworthy and i dont have to worry about it. Both of these fits most cars i see that are called restored.

I remember seeing a car that was suppose to to have nice solid floors. After a closer look most of the the floor was cut out.
The seller was a shister and his patsy stuck up for him by saying YOU HAVE TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES when i asked about the nice solid floors.
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Old 02-18-2018, 01:16 PM   #18
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Default Re: rleated to NOS vs NORS thread: "restored"

"Tongue in cheek" would a 1932 Roadster with Brookville (or Wescott) body, new TCI et al chassis, and a "crate" motor and transmission be considered "ALL ORIGINAL"?
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What if a person started out with a single part (a luggage rack) and spent 30 years collecting only parts (from 23 states and lost track) that are to the best of his knowledge correct for a 65 year old 3 month production window, then rebuilt and refinished every part, then assembled a complete numbers matching finished car from those parts, (luggage rack not used) what would you call the end product. A recreation or a pleasant preoccupation?
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Both those and also quite possibly a restoration depending on how well all of the parts were put together. In other words, once the parts are off the shelves and put together, how is the result not a whole vehicle?
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