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Old 09-21-2019, 07:34 PM   #1
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Default Unusual carburation on Flathead V8ís

Hey gang it might be fun to talk about and share pictures of unusual carburetor choices on Flathead Ford engines. Iím really talking about anything other than the normal 3 bolt 94 Holley/Fords and Stromberg 97ís.

Iíve looked on several occasions at some Italian ďVeeĒ engineís with their Weber and DelíOrto carbs and thought hmmmm???

Carbs like those ^^^ are often designed for 60 degree V6ís and V12ís which have narrow intake manifolding like our Fords.

So Iím curious if any of you have strayed from the beaten path. Iíll bet thereís a few that have used a Rochester 2GC, another good one.

What about Autolite 2100ís and 4100ís that came on small Ford V8ís in the 60ís.

Let it rip fellas if you have anything to say about this. Very interested to hear what youíve done or plan to do in the future.

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Old 09-21-2019, 07:39 PM   #2
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I've seen one barrel Marvels with a Stromberg/Holley type base. Someone told me they were replacements. Same CFM, just one large single throat vs. two if I recall correctly.

I also think there were some 3 bolt Strombergs that had "L" backdraft horn that were used on Studebaker's of some sort. I could be wrong on this.
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This is probably not what you wanted to see, but here are some pictures of my attempt to put a Quadrajet on a flathead. I figure if the would run on a 3.8 liter Buick, they could be made to work on a 3.9 liter flathead. I only had a couple of junk Quadrajets, and I couldn't get it to run worth a shit. I have a bunch of other stuff going on, so I abandoned the project.

I do plan to get back on it some day.
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Probably should have used an adapter that had 4 holes in it, not the open one.
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You're probably right. I had a bunch of parts laying around and I thought I'd try it. I had zero dollars in the attempt.
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Mike Davidson from Austrialia use to offer a dual or single quad set up. The base used tops from Offy OHV V8 manifolds.
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I saw this one at a car show a few years ago. Looks like a quadrajet on it. I never heard it run but pretty sure he drove it to the show.
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I can't see it very clearly, but I think that's a 4G.
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This is probably not what you wanted to see, but here are some pictures of my attempt to put a Quadrajet on a flathead. I figure if the would run on a 3.8 liter Buick, they could be made to work on a 3.9 liter flathead. I only had a couple of junk Quadrajets, and I couldn't get it to run worth a shit. I have a bunch of other stuff going on, so I abandoned the project.

I do plan to get back on it some day.
Au contraire Tubman that is a very interesting project. I hope you get a chance to try it again.
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JMO but a quadrajet on a flathead is just plain wrong.
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JMO but a quadrajet on a flathead is just plain wrong.
Can't be wrong if it runs right! A Q-jet from a 3.8 Buick etc. should be jetted right ,or at least close, and the small primary throttle bores are ideal. Those huge secondaries have an adjustable air valve above the throttle plates so no danger of over-carburetion. Just find or make a good flowing adapter and you're good to go with a little tuning (which you should do with any carb).
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JMO but a quadrajet on a flathead is just plain wrong.
Not true, IMO.
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Not true, IMO.
Good to see that a Holley equipped flatty owner also likes Q-jets!
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Happy to be running a 4bbl. on my flathead, but even though it's a 4bbl. it is operated as 2bbl. carb. 99.9999% of the time, just as I suspect all the rest of the 4bbl. equipped flatheads are.
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Old 09-22-2019, 05:36 AM   #18
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These are probably prohibitively expensive but dang they look like a perfect match to a Flathead Fordís narrow intake manifold.



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I think Tony Baron made a Weber intake for flatheads at one time
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My fantasies are more toward exotic, than performance. I've been thinking about running four updrafts.
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I can't see it very clearly, but I think that's a 4G.


It's definitely a Quadrajet.


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Probably should have used an adapter that had 4 holes in it, not the open one.


I don't think there is an adaptor for a spread bore four barrel carb to a small base four barrel manifold. That setup looks like the air slams into a wall. I'm sure it would cause turbulence.


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Russ, or how about two Carter side drafts as used on a 188 Gray Marine....just say'n.
I think Interceptor Marine {Y-Block} used this set up too. m
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One of the best setups, ever.


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One of the best setups, ever.

talk about form Not following function
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So many problems on the above quad idear... Boggles the mind.

But I'm lovin' the thought of I-Talian Testa-Rossa bits on your Ford. Just not lovin' that price tag.
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The only good thing that came out of this whole thing is that when I was running the numbers on a couple of Quadrajets I had to get the proper kits, I found out one was from a 1979 390 HP 454 Corvette. I sold it on eBay for $400 (matching numbers Corvette guys). It was the best core I had; I was reduced to using a core from a very dirty '75 Oldsmobile; I don't know if it was my deficit in rebuilding it or just a bad core.

I am going to get back into this some day, but I think one of the posters above was right; the next time I dive into this I am going to make an adapter that hast four individual throttle bores instead of the open plenum I originally used.

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Do you know why the engine was installed backwards?
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Do you know why the engine was installed backwards?
Front wheel drive Miller race car
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Are those Fish carbs? The Fish carb was a very good design that didn't catch on.
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I donít think so. The first FWD Millers used that special 4x1 intakes. Later ones used a Hexagon Tool 2x2.

I forgot who made those 1 barrels for these cars.
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I donít think so. The first FWD Millers used that special 4x1 intakes. Later ones used a Hexagon Tool 2x2.

I forgot who made those 1 barrels for these cars.
Didnít Harry Miller make those carbs?
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I was going to say Miller, but for some reason I didn't think he did. You may indeed be correct. Joshua Shaw would know for sure.
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I'm using Edelbrocks new 500 CFM AVS2 4 barrel ,great throttle response and fuel economy.
Did need major tuning with AFR meter thought. Ugly and too modern , but under the hood of ī50 Conv and air cleaner I can live with it ....
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Photos of unusual set ups on the Ford V8 engines the first one was on a V8 Coupe being raced.
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I’ll try to figure out how to put pictures up. We have a Flathead we put a blower and Holley fuel injection on. Works great.
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REALLY nice pictures, Ian!!! Awesome!
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This is photo shopped, right?
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I would say, probably so.

My guess is was originally a '32 manifold, made to look like a later 2 barrel

Probably shorten, too. I think it would have been higher than the hood, to show them off!!
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2X2 "y" adapters are available,so I think it was just stretched
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Probably cause some ruckus. But I always remember quada-jet = quadra-junk. Yikes... just a old saying. Probably not true.

4 barrels are a good "non-tradition" carb. Not, show cool. But, go cool.


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Yes, I would have to say Quadrajets are not really Quadra-junk. They just don't look as pretty as a Holley. Actually have better driveability for the street in my opinion.


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I'm a fan of the 350cfm 2 barrel holleys.


https://www.holley.com/products/fuel...nce_2_barrels/




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I would say, probably so.

My guess is was originally a '32 manifold, made to look like a later 2 barrel

Probably shorten, too. I think it would have been higher than the hood, to show them off!!
It is not a 32 manifold which has a single throat down draft carburettor and the generator on a 32 manifold has a single pole mount generator I would say it was a 34 manifold.
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Ian, I was just kidding, same with the thought that it would have been much higher, to show the carbs, outside the hood.
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Regarding Q-jets, my best friend was a true GM lover but, had a Camaro with one on it. He rebuilt it, because it flooded, at least 3 times. He disliked Holley's, because that was what most performance Fords had on them.

I always encouraged him to use Holley's but, No Way! One day, when he was working on the Q-jet, I talked him into trying a Holley. I told him if he didn't like it, I would take it.

WELL, I found him a spread bore Holley and after installing it, he thanked me over and over, for at least the next 10 years. That was in the early '80's.

I'm sure they must have, finally fixed the problem but, the main thing I disliked about the Q-jets, is the lack of a smooth air flow, threw the secondary's, same with the AFB's.

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