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12-06-2019, 02:23 PM | #1 |
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34 ford woodgrain
hello everyone. It's been a long time since I've been here. My dad just passed away and I am left to try and restore this old ford that he bought in 1962. Any help is going to be appreciated. What does the woodgrain on the dash look like? This is what I have been playing with. Thanks70superbird006_zps1b63431a.jpg006.jpg
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12-06-2019, 02:52 PM | #2 |
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Re: 34 ford woodgrain
IF I am not mistaken this was done in the 34 woodgrain pattern.
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12-06-2019, 03:09 PM | #3 |
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Not the greatest of a 34 Cabriolet dash BUT the shade and pattern is again very close
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12-06-2019, 03:14 PM | #4 |
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Thats looks nice, I appreciate the response and pics
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12-06-2019, 04:28 PM | #5 |
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Re: 34 ford woodgrain
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Hmmmm; the base and ink colors look good, but the grain pattern is inconsistent with that in the Ford Archives photo shown in the DeAngelis/Francis book. It looks too disjointed/broken up. Unfortunately, my book copy is elsewhere so that thought is from memory. |
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12-06-2019, 06:35 PM | #7 |
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Seems to match this one . Leaving this to the experts .
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12-06-2019, 06:40 PM | #8 |
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thanks for all the pics. looks like i need to change base on my wood grain and style. i'll keep on trying
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12-06-2019, 06:59 PM | #9 |
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Thanks for the education; clearly different from the '33 pattern. |
12-06-2019, 10:54 PM | #10 |
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I’ve got to be the first to say, if you did the graining yourself; it looks far superior to most that have attempted on their own. Sorry to hear of your loss and keep up the good work!
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12-07-2019, 10:32 AM | #11 | |
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^^^^^^ thank you. I've been a body man all my life, I have done wood grain in the past, just not for the 34. I'll keep on trying to get it closer. 007.jpg |
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12-08-2019, 09:27 AM | #12 |
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if this picture is your car . the frame is 33 or 34 standard.
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12-08-2019, 10:36 AM | #13 | |
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Thanks, I have a couple of these laying around, not sure what year they are, just used to practice on. I have all the original garnish moldings and dash for the car. |
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12-08-2019, 12:09 PM | #14 |
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Not to throw a monkey wrench into this, but it should be noted that early '34s utilized evidently excessive leftover '33 dashes with a special overlapping instrument panel insert that once installed could only be perceived on close inspection. That dash/instrument panel combination in deluxe form carried the '33 wood grain pattern and not the '34 pattern.
A surviving example of one of the early '34 overlapping insert instrument panels along with the '33 version is shown below. |
12-09-2019, 10:20 AM | #15 |
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[QUOTE= I've been a body man all my life, I have done wood grain in the past, just not for the 34. I'll keep on trying to get it closer.[/QUOTE]
old henry, what type of paint are you using for the base coat? For the wood grain, do you use paint or ink? Your test piece looks very good. Thanks |
12-09-2019, 11:48 AM | #16 |
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I agree . I have several of those early 34 panels. never have one with woodgrain. Now for a question. David : on the engine turned 33 panel . all the original ones I have seem to have a finish that is what I would call dull . I have been told that the crome finish at that time was dull and needed to be polished to get the mirror like crome finish. I have also been told that is why the 33 grill has dull bars . Please enlighten me . |
12-09-2019, 01:58 PM | #17 |
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Gladly!
It wasn't the chrome that had the dull finish, but rather the nickel plating used underneath the chrome that was dull and had to be polished in order for the final chrome plating to have a bright finish. Not until sometime after WWII was bright nickel plating developed which eliminated the need for polishing the dull nickel where a bright final finish was desired. With bright nickel plating, everything took on a bright finish when chrome plated. My hat is off to you for recognizing the correct finish on the bars of a '33 grille (and the areas behind the raised perimeter where the hood lacing is attached). Those parts of a '33 grille were not polished following the dull nickel plating (documented by the original engineering drawing for the '33 grille) hence their dull finish after chrome plating. Starting with the '34 grilles through '37, the grille bars were polished, but only the leading edges. The grille bar sides continued to have a dull finish. Few restorers go to the trouble to duplicate the original finishes as almost no plater today offers dull nickel plating. The dull effect can be created mechanically either after the bright nickel plating or after the chrome plating, although most car meet judges are unaware of the correct original finishes on the '33-'37 grilles. As for the '33 instrument panels (the one in the photo above is a mint original), the engine turning took place after the dull nickel plating and before the last step, chrome plating. The result is something between bright and dull, but the sides and back have only the dull finish as they were not polished after the dull nickel plating. A final note on '33 grilles. I've had several NOS versions and those on the nine cars I've owned over the years and nearly all of them have had evidence of argent (dull silver) paint on the bars. My theory is that they were painted when new in order to ensure an even appearance of all of the bars, fronts and sides. |
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Hi, i am using automotive paint for the base, have used red oxide primer years ago. As for as the grain I've used artist paints. I will try ink next from an art supply store if they carry it. Haven't quite got it figured out, but getting closer, at least good enough for my abilities. |
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12-09-2019, 07:25 PM | #19 |
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I don't want to throw a Wench at the monkey but believe butler finish was the term for some plating often used on hand brakes were a minimum of polishing was desired ,34 Graining I have seen original graining like David J posted ,while the pattern is obviously correct with being involved with paint over the years and seeing how it fades ect I wonder if the paint pigments available at the time leach out some of there original tone over time ,most dash knob sets you get are more of a Mahogany finish, I don't know just thinking ,
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All I can say about the glove box door is it came to me years ago with the story of being removed early on to put a radio in the car .
It has lived in a dresser drawer as long as I have had it . Pics make it look a little better than in person . The knob is not a solid color and does not appear to be new . That said over the years I have had other doors that had good graining inside but not outside like this one . Also have had dashes and garnish mouldings that had good graining on edges that matches this . Lastly I am NOT TRYING to sell this . Just posted it for reference . Quote:
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12-09-2019, 08:47 PM | #21 |
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Here's one ,
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12-09-2019, 09:52 PM | #22 |
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Here is a picture of the ashtray I removed from my '34 when I installed the radio-head in its place >
This is factory original...
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[QUOTE=DavidG;1829485]Not to throw a monkey wrench into this, but it should be noted that early '34s utilized evidently excessive leftover '33 dashes with a special overlapping instrument panel insert that once installed could only be perceived on close inspection. That dash/instrument
My car was sold new in New Zealand in April 34 so I expect was made some time early 1934. Has the insert instrument panel and also 33 Bumpers -Karl
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Slightly weathered but looks good .
My door has been waxed a few times over the years . Is the knob a solid color or kinda grained looking ? Mine is kinda grained . I have some extra 34 ash tray radios and the knobs on them are like this also . |
12-10-2019, 08:15 AM | #25 |
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Jon Wright of Custom Chrome Plating does the dull nickel plating. I had them repair and plate my 33 grille and not polish the bars. They are Awesome..!!
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I have been a hand woodgrainer since 1966. ( my goal has been to do woodgraing as close in color and patern to original as possible) I discovered Benney Esteies (Sarasota Flordia) at a Harras swapmeet in 1975 ? He had redeveloped the original method of woodgrain ( this process is what Ford and all others used on there cars ) Benney was wanting to sell franchies and I was very interested. So I flew to Fl and stayed with him and saw the process. I also brought with me my 33 victoria parts an extra 33 roadster dash and quite a few extra parts for him to apply the correct woodgrain . The price at that time for a dealership was $50,000 ( my thinking at the time was I will never do enough woodgraining to pay for it and also I had just enough money to keep my family afloat ) For a long time I have been colecting original samples of wood grain. I have in my colection : NOS 34 glove box door . Mint 33 &34 radio cover(glove box radio ) over 10 mint inside 34 glovebox doors - several 33's (the color and pattern on these is close to NOS ) also to note : ash tray covers pattern are different than dash (33 & 34 ) and and not the same as each other. I have several samples. David J : As to your glove box doors : This pattern is one I do not have . My thinking is (David G should correct me) that wood grain was done at dearborn and shipped to assembly plants. As it seems better to have all of the cars match. There were many assembly plants and I think they only assembled and did not stamp metal parts. (dashboards --window frames) I am not saying your doors are not right just ones I have not seen. perhaps other FORD BARNERS with samples will chime in. I will in the near future post pictures to confrim the above text. ( I do wish I had payed a little attension in school durning spelling . |
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I have had a few examples myself but did not keep them .
That equates to no pics . Took down the pics of my $20 door and will leave this to the experts . Have you or anyone else ever noticed the different patterns-colors on sedan rear seat ashtrays ? There is a study in itself . Quote:
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Ford itself likely did not apply the wood grain to the various dash and window molding components. For that matter, it is highly likely that many small stampings such as those under discussion were made by outside suppliers. Original dashes often have stamped numbers on their back sides that do not correspond to Ford's part numbering system, which supports this theory (see photo below of the back of a mint '32 dash; it's an early one so the '34' part of the stamping is obviously not date related). When Ford outsourced parts manufacture, they usually did so to at least two suppliers to ensure uninterrupted supply. Those suppliers might be located in the Dearborn area, but judging from the known location of some of Ford's outside suppliers of the period, that wasn't a necessary requirement.
For those of you with a copy of Lorin Sorensen's excellent book, "The Ford Shows", page 114 is devoted to a Motor Products Corporation (a Detroit company) working display booth in the Ford Exposition Building at the 1934 Century of Progress in Chicago wherein the workers actually applied graining to '34 instrument panels. Different suppliers often had different techniques and capabilities, so while it is likely that there was more than one supplier of woodgraining, it wouldn't necessarily mean that the process used by them was identical in all respects as long as the suppliers' methods met Ford engineering's specifications. This could give rise to minor variations in the ink patterns on the finished work, for example. Further, Ford did change the grain patterns during the course of model years. This happened extensively during the '32 model year and I have to spend some time at the BFRC in Dearborn to determine if there were ink pattern changes during the '33 and '34 model years. (Based on originals that I've seen, it appears that the base red color did not change during those two model years.) |
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I have seen a super 8 movie converted to Video taken at a exposition Building possible at the 1934 Century of Progress ,this showed the graining proses plus the clear coating, It was quiet a quick proses I think the video still exists .
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