The Ford Barn

Great Lakes Greg · 11-20-2011, 03:42 PM

So, I got this idea about a year ago that I really needed a 30-31 Briggs Blindback. It's beginning to look like these cars are as rare as the proverbial hen's teeth. Other Model A's that are supposedly rare show up on the evil eBay all the time. I have passed on two projects needing a complete restoration, one in Chicago and the other in Oregon, thinking something better would come along. Both sold reasonably, indicating that there may not be as much of a demand as compared to other fairly scarce, but pricey cars like Victorias, Woodies, Cabriolets, and the like.
This isn't a want ad, as I am aware of the classified section a click away (and have tried it twice). I just want to know if there are any out there? I hate to think I need to buy the next pig to come along just to score a car. Thanks for your input on my rant, and feel free to post a pic of your car just to taunt me.

1930artdeco · 11-20-2011, 04:05 PM

I saw one and half for sale on CL out here. It was just the body though so you would have a serious project on your hands.

Mike

Bob C · 11-20-2011, 04:53 PM

There's one for sale on the MAFCA site now.
http://www.mafca.com/cl/cl-v-sale.html

peters180a/170b · 11-20-2011, 05:37 PM

You know , i did not know how rare the early 1930 Standard Briggs Blindback was until i got it home.. 5000 were made and the last one was in April ,1,1930.I am glad it was complete and unrestored except the paint job.

2manycars · 11-20-2011, 06:13 PM

My brother restored one in the 70's from parts. We got the body out of a barn where it was stored after the owner made a cut down tractor from the chassis. We had to cut trees to get the body out. He spent 14 years restoring it, then swapped it for the original roadster he now drives.

thelosthero · 11-20-2011, 06:17 PM

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is a blind back the same as a steel back?

Gary WA · 11-20-2011, 07:52 PM

no!

Gary WA · 11-20-2011, 07:54 PM

like this?Deluxe 4dr Blindback..!

Great Lakes Greg · 11-20-2011, 08:09 PM

That's the animal, Gary! Thanks for the tease.

Gary WA · 11-20-2011, 08:29 PM

One more view to tease you with! Plus check our website out. enjoy

Marco Tahtaras · 11-20-2011, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thelosthero

is a blind back the same as a steel back?

Yes and no! "blind back" is a non-Ford casual/generic term for Fordors without rear quarter windows. Ford sold seven such models with the following formal descriptions:

60-A Leather back (1928, brown top)
60-B Leather back (1929, black top)
60-C Steel back (1929 through mid year)
170-A Two window Fordor (mid-late '29, longer body dimensionally matching Town Sedan)
170-B Two window Fordor (1930 model through March)
170-B Deluxe Fordor (4/30-3/31, replaced standard model, trimmed like Town Sedan)
160-C Deluxe Fordor (Late March '31 to end, Slant windshield version)

All models prior to the 160-C were built by Briggs.

thelosthero · 11-21-2011, 09:19 AM

ah ok well i have just got my first model a its a 1929 model a fordor i believe its a briggs body, saw that it was called a steel back in the macs catalog just wanted to know the diff

Marco Tahtaras · 11-21-2011, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thelosthero

ah ok well i have just got my first model a its a 1929 model a fordor i believe its a briggs body, saw that it was called a steel back in the macs catalog just wanted to know the diff

I just looked closer at your avatar (I hadn't noticed) and larger pics. Yes, that is a 60-C steel back.

Seth Swoboda · 11-21-2011, 09:42 AM

A good friend of mine has a 160-C "slant window blind back" that he restored about the same time I restored my 190-A Victoria. We live in the same town. I don't think eaither car are rare, though.

msmaron · 11-21-2011, 11:44 AM

Actually the 160c is a rare car and said to be the 2nd rarest Model A passenger car built, The number is approx 2700 BUT that also includes the 170b so we believe the exact number to be around 2100.

FL&WVMIKE · 11-21-2011, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob C

There's one for sale on the MAFCA site now.
http://www.mafca.com/cl/cl-v-sale.html

Bob C. .......................
There is also an unrestored 1931 Blindback listed.
MIKE

donh · 11-21-2011, 08:47 PM

I bought a 1930 Blindback about 6 years ago. Has 50k original miles, good original interior. Car was originally painted maroon, however the owner painted the car grey with a red stripe.
I am happy with it just they way it is painted. After I had the engine rebuilt, went through all the rest of the car and put it on the road.
Fun car to drive but I need to replace the original windows with safety glass.

Marco Tahtaras · 11-21-2011, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donh

I bought a 1930 Blindback about 6 years ago. Has 50k original miles, good original interior. Car was originally painted maroon, however the owner painted the car grey with a red stripe.
I am happy with it just they way it is painted. After I had the engine rebuilt, went through all the rest of the car and put it on the road.
Fun car to drive but I need to replace the original windows with safety glass.

Since it was maroon I'm assuming it was a Deluxe (?)

TinCup · 11-21-2011, 11:24 PM

Now that's a garage!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary WA

One more view to tease you with! Plus check our website out. enjoy

Roadster62 · 05-03-2012, 02:44 AM

Is a 1930 170-B a steel or wood framed body?

11-20-2011, 03:42 PM	#1
Great Lakes Greg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,369	Rarity of a 30-31 Blindback So, I got this idea about a year ago that I really needed a 30-31 Briggs Blindback. It's beginning to look like these cars are as rare as the proverbial hen's teeth. Other Model A's that are supposedly rare show up on the evil eBay all the time. I have passed on two projects needing a complete restoration, one in Chicago and the other in Oregon, thinking something better would come along. Both sold reasonably, indicating that there may not be as much of a demand as compared to other fairly scarce, but pricey cars like Victorias, Woodies, Cabriolets, and the like. This isn't a want ad, as I am aware of the classified section a click away (and have tried it twice). I just want to know if there are any out there? I hate to think I need to buy the next pig to come along just to score a car. Thanks for your input on my rant, and feel free to post a pic of your car just to taunt me.

11-20-2011, 04:05 PM	#2
1930artdeco Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Lynden, Wa Posts: 3,550	Re: Rarity of a 30-31 Blindback I saw one and half for sale on CL out here. It was just the body though so you would have a serious project on your hands. Mike __________________ 1930 TownSedan (Briggs) 1957 Country Sedan

11-20-2011, 04:53 PM	#3
Bob C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Cal Posts: 8,741	Re: Rarity of a 30-31 Blindback There's one for sale on the MAFCA site now. http://www.mafca.com/cl/cl-v-sale.html Last edited by Bob C; 11-20-2011 at 09:00 PM.

11-20-2011, 05:37 PM	#4
peters180a/170b Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Putnam Valley N.Y. Posts: 2,151	Re: Rarity of a 30-31 Blindback You know , i did not know how rare the early 1930 Standard Briggs Blindback was until i got it home.. 5000 were made and the last one was in April ,1,1930.I am glad it was complete and unrestored except the paint job.

11-20-2011, 06:17 PM	#6
thelosthero Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: buffalo, new york Posts: 10	Re: Rarity of a 30-31 Blindback Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) is a blind back the same as a steel back?

11-20-2011, 07:52 PM	#7
Gary WA Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Clinton,WA/Whidbey Island Posts: 4,098	Re: Rarity of a 30-31 Blindback no! __________________ www.whidbeymodelaclub.com

11-20-2011, 08:09 PM	#9
Great Lakes Greg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,369	Re: Rarity of a 30-31 Blindback That's the animal, Gary! Thanks for the tease.

11-21-2011, 09:19 AM	#12
thelosthero Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: buffalo, new york Posts: 10	Re: Rarity of a 30-31 Blindback ah ok well i have just got my first model a its a 1929 model a fordor i believe its a briggs body, saw that it was called a steel back in the macs catalog just wanted to know the diff

11-21-2011, 09:42 AM	#14
Seth Swoboda Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 3,779	Re: Rarity of a 30-31 Blindback A good friend of mine has a 160-C "slant window blind back" that he restored about the same time I restored my 190-A Victoria. We live in the same town. I don't think eaither car are rare, though.

11-21-2011, 08:47 PM	#17
donh Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ontario,NY Posts: 83	Re: Rarity of a 30-31 Blindback I bought a 1930 Blindback about 6 years ago. Has 50k original miles, good original interior. Car was originally painted maroon, however the owner painted the car grey with a red stripe. I am happy with it just they way it is painted. After I had the engine rebuilt, went through all the rest of the car and put it on the road. Fun car to drive but I need to replace the original windows with safety glass.

05-03-2012, 02:44 AM	#20
Roadster62 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ridgefield, Ct Posts: 3,441	Re: Rarity of a 30-31 Blindback Is a 1930 170-B a steel or wood framed body? __________________ They don't have to run to be enjoyed. I'm here to enjoy the hobby, and enjoy the cars no matter what they look like. Most of the worlds problems are electrical.

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