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Old 08-30-2016, 07:00 PM   #1
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From Jeff Lee and the "Maritme Pre-War Car Registry", which I am a member.

"I donít think too many of our PreWar members will be out trailering a Rolls with a Land Rover. But just the same, here are some unpleasant reminders of why you need to check out your tow vehicle, trailer and trailered car. And donít forget to insure your car when you get it. Sometimes it pays to have the auto movers move old cars instead of ourselves."


http://www.prewarcar.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qku6...ature=youtu.be

Vehicle loading and tongue weight balance can be important especially with torsion bar load levelers.


"Maritime Pre-War Car Registry" is a group of old car enthusiasts from mainly the Canadian Maritime Provinces (Nova Scotia. New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island) with a few members from North East States and Ontario, Canada, where I am from. As far as I am aware, the oldest running car in the Registry is a 1905 Cadillac and the newest that is usually on our tours is a 1940 Chevrolet Two Door.

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im glad noone was hurt, but from thier website they speclate the air suspension of the land rover suddenly failed. when yo have airbags as spring and all of a sudden you have no springs yea doesnt take much to go outa control.

Im guessing that trailer doesnt have any brakes?
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What a shame.

a) the driver of the Range Rover clearly did not know what he was doing.
b) The Range Rover is decidedly a very poor choice of a towing vehicle in this case. It is not heavy enough. We have worked on several Range Rovers here in this shop and frankly we feel they are engineered and built very poorly. I myself would not tow a kid's wagon with one
c) I seriously doubt the trailer had its own brakes else I doubt this would have happened.
d) I doubt tongue weight was anywhere near correct...I bet the rig was fishtailing
e) I think the most likely explanation is jack knife, from which there is no recovery

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What a shame.

a) the driver of the Range Rover clearly did not know what he was doing.
b) The Range Rover is decidedly a very poor choice of a towing vehicle in this case. It is not heavy enough. We have worked on several Range Rovers here in this shop and frankly we feel they are engineered and built very poorly. I myself would not tow a kid's wagon with one
c) I seriously doubt the trailer had its own brakes else I doubt this would have happened.
d) I doubt tongue weight was anywhere near correct...I bet the rig was fishtailing
e) I think the most likely explanation is jack knife, from which there is no recovery
I'm with you, Tbird. My first impression was "This guy didn't know how to tow!"
Once a jackknife occurs, there is no recovery but if you know what you are doing, even a big sway can be recovered.
Wonder what his dry cleaning bill was????
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What a shame.

a) the driver of the Range Rover clearly did not know what he was doing.
b) The Range Rover is decidedly a very poor choice of a towing vehicle in this case. It is not heavy enough. We have worked on several Range Rovers here in this shop and frankly we feel they are engineered and built very poorly. I myself would not tow a kid's wagon with one
c) I seriously doubt the trailer had its own brakes else I doubt this would have happened.
d) I doubt tongue weight was anywhere near correct...I bet the rig was fishtailing
e) I think the most likely explanation is jack knife, from which there is no recovery
I think that you will find that rather a lot of the World's experts will disagree with your opinion of the Range Rover. The best dual purpose 4x4 by far.
In Europe the trailer will have had brakes. I suggest you stop speculating about an article's speculation and learn the facts.
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From the comments, that trailer could have weighed 4 tons.

Looks like it fish tailed a few times ... getting bigger and bigger each time ... whipping the Range Rover from one side of the road to another until the Range Rover flipped.

If you have ever seen this happening when it is coming towards you, you won't forget it.
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Looks to me like the Rolls should have been towing the Range Rover.
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It leaves us with a lot to think about! I haven't done that much towing in my life but thank God none it wound up like this poor guy. The closest I ever came was with my first trailer. It was empty and it fishtailed quite a bit. I was taking it to get it welded and the hitch broke off and it wound up freewheeling into a farmer's field. I never even knew till I checked the mirror and saw it was gone. I found it about a mile back. I used every piece of chain and rope on board and didn't have far to go.
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haha looks like someone struck a nerve. Ya have to wonder why everyone on this side of the pond is hauling with 1/2 or 3/4 ton pickups or larger...

the video speaks for itself
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Silverado 2500 the best tow vehicle you can buy.
I feel bad for the guy. My speculation was he was traveling to fast with too heavy a tongue load causing fishtailing as others have said. It appears to be on a long straight away. So we know he didn't hit a curve too fast. Instead of just dropping his foot off the gas he probably tried to steer out of it. Range Rovers are great dual purpose vehicles I'm sure but a short wheel base makes for tricky towing especially with an extra heavy load that's too far forward on the trailer. Always step back and asses your load before you strap it down. Its ok to move the car around to make it safer.
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I feel bad for the guy. My speculation was he was traveling to fast with too heavy a tongue load causing fishtailing as others have said. It appears to be on a long straight away. So we know he didn't hit a curve too fast. Instead of just dropping his foot off the gas he probably tried to steer out of it. Range Rovers are great dual purpose vehicles I'm sure but a short wheel base makes for tricky towing especially with an extra heavy load that's too far forward on the trailer. Always step back and asses your load before you strap it down. Its ok to move the car around to make it safer.
I think you mean not enough hitch weight. I've never seen (or heard of) a trailer whipping from TOO MUCH hitch weight but too little hitch weight and it's impossible to control.
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I think you mean not enough hitch weight. I've never seen (or heard of) a trailer whipping from TOO MUCH hitch weight but too little hitch weight and it's impossible to control.
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I think you mean not enough hitch weight. I've never seen (or heard of) a trailer whipping from TOO MUCH hitch weight but too little hitch weight and it's impossible to control.
Yep, been there done that. I went to pick up a 1929 Chevy 1 1/2 ton truck, and the seller loaded the truck bed full of tires and other parts. Luckily I only had about 80 miles to drive and it was way out in the country, because I had to drive no faster than about 22 MPH all the way home.
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too much hitch weight will take weight off the front wheels of the tow vehicle and you will have understeer

GMC has info on how to calculate what your tongue weight should be
http://www.gmc.com/gmc-life/trucks/w...fe-towing.html

You can use a bathroom scale and a length of 4x4 to calculate your tongue weight yourself. Google it
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too much hitch weight will take weight off the front wheels of the tow vehicle and you will have understeer

GMC has info on how to calculate what your tongue weight should be
http://www.gmc.com/gmc-life/trucks/w...fe-towing.html

You can use a bathroom scale and a length of 4x4 to calculate your tongue weight yourself. Google it


I think you mean not enough hitch weight. I've never seen (or heard of) a trailer whipping from TOO MUCH hitch weight but too little hitch weight and it's impossible to control.


As the link says, tongue weight (known here as drawbar weight) should be about 10-15% of the all up weight of the trailer. Let's say the trailer and Rolls weighted 4 tons. That would mean a tongue weight of 800-1200 pounds. I'm not so sure that tow car would handle that much weight on its @ss very well. I've seen one of these with the tow bar pulled out of it when towing a mid sized caravan. WRONG CHOICE OF TOW CAR.
As for impossible to control - you've only got to know when to hit the brakes to straighten it out. I've done it. Recovered from a sway so wide that I could see the side of the trailer in the rear view mirror. I was on a busy 3 lanes each way road and it was amazing how quickly I had it all to myself.
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Synchro you are a lucky boy. I hope you bought a lottery ticket that day. True the only way out of fishtailing is braking and ice in your veins. Harmonics will not be denied. But if you don't catch it.....take your choice of flipping or jack knifing.
That car would barely properly haul a lightweight Model A roadster on a 14' trailer
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Synchro you are a lucky boy. I hope you bought a lottery ticket that day. True the only way out of fishtailing is braking and ice in your veins. Harmonics will not be denied. But if you don't catch it.....take your choice of flipping or jack knifing.
That car would barely properly haul a lightweight Model A roadster on a 14' trailer
Can't argue with that last sentence. It was not luck that I was able to control that trailer and that was not the only time I have done it. Call me a slow learner if you like! As teenagers we gave this some thought after seeing someone crash as a result of a fish tailing trailer. We figured that the time to hit the brakes was when the trailer was at full amplitude and just starting to come back towards the centre. The slowing car makes it more difficult for the trailer to centre itself, so the fish tailing diminishes. The hard part is remembering to do it when the time comes. It's amazing how these things come back to you in a rush when you need them.
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Synchro you are a lucky boy. I hope you bought a lottery ticket that day. True the only way out of fishtailing is braking and ice in your veins. Harmonics will not be denied. But if you don't catch it.....take your choice of flipping or jack knifing.
That car would barely properly haul a lightweight Model A roadster on a 14' trailer
Are you talking about the Range Rover? If so you Americans must have unnecessarially heavy 14' trailers.
Look at the facts.
http://www.uktow.com/towing%20capaci...=Range%20Rover
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Just about every day I see something like this ....



This was the westbound I-90 about (2) weeks ago just west of Billings, MT.



Ironically I am headed to Billings today to drop off a 1938 Cadillac ....





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Are you talking about the Range Rover? If so you Americans must have unnecessarially heavy 14' trailers.
Look at the facts.
http://www.uktow.com/towing%20capaci...=Range%20Rover
That would be fine "when things are loaded absolutely perfectly". However, it would appear that they are just not built to handle things when they go sideways. I find it interesting that, in the graph there are 2 2006 models that have a curb weight of 1399kg and 1400kg (not much more than my '31 model a pickup), and yet, the towing weight is the same 7700 lbs as the ones listed at almost twice curb weight. I know that, while my Model A (with it's SBC) certainly has the POWER to pull a decent load, it certainly does not have the weight. To each his own but, when I'm going to be pulling my car hauler (whether it's the 20' flatbed or 20' enclosed) I will use my dually cummins, 6spd before I would ever use the Avalanche. Not because the Avalanche couldn't haul them loaded, but because the one ton will do it better and safer if I find myself in a less than ideal situation. One of those "just because you can doesn't mean you should" things I guess. Regardless, it's a sad story, the kind I hate to see.
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I really think you ought to research the car you are writing off as a towcar. The car in the accident certainly doesn't have a kerb weight of 1400kg, that's the weight of a modern European hatchback. A Range Rover is a powerful, sophisticated and proven towcar. I'm sorry that it's not made in the USA but many things are better that way.
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I really think you ought to research the car you are writing off as a towcar. The car in the accident certainly doesn't have a kerb weight of 1400kg, that's the weight of a modern European hatchback. A Range Rover is a powerful, sophisticated and proven towcar. I'm sorry that it's not made in the USA but many things are better that way.
Just wait for someone to report that one and have it taken down. As we all know, in the US, if it isn't made in the US, it's rubbish. Parochial.
That said, I'm no fan of the "Rangey" anyway.
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I once knew the owner of a small business that built trailers to order and of every size possible. He would check the towing capacity, wheelbase, and track of the intended tow vehicle along with the placement of the tow hitch in relation to those factors. With this he would calculate all of the variables needed for the trailer, tongue length, distance from the hitch to the axle(s), etc. This was before computers so it was all done with a series of tables he had devised and a pencil. His business was called Swaytamer and he had a good reputation as an expert on the subject. I wonder if that sort of information is available on-line nowadays? It sure could help folks avoid the kind of disaster depicted in this post.
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That would be fine "when things are loaded absolutely perfectly". However, it would appear that they are just not built to handle things when they go sideways. I find it interesting that, in the graph there are 2 2006 models that have a curb weight of 1399kg and 1400kg (not much more than my '31 model a pickup), and yet, the towing weight is the same 7700 lbs as the ones listed at almost twice curb weight. I know that, while my Model A (with it's SBC) certainly has the POWER to pull a decent load, it certainly does not have the weight. To each his own but, when I'm going to be pulling my car hauler (whether it's the 20' flatbed or 20' enclosed) I will use my dually cummins, 6spd before I would ever use the Avalanche. Not because the Avalanche couldn't haul them loaded, but because the one ton will do it better and safer if I find myself in a less than ideal situation. One of those "just because you can doesn't mean you should" things I guess. Regardless, it's a sad story, the kind I hate to see.
agreed, my 2002 2door 2wd s10 blazer says it can tow 5,700 lbs... i towed an enclosed U haul probably close to 1500-2000 lbs of stuff and it was kinda sketchy. never felt unstable but braking my god....i agree, just because it CAN tow said weight doesnt mean you SHOULD.

range rovers always remind me of the ford bronco II, ranger based thing that liked to be on its roof more than its wheels due to the fact it was taller than wider...
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I do not have too much experience hauling deadweights on trailers such as Model A's et al. However, I have some experience hauling live weights, (e.g. two - one thousand pound quarter horses) using a 3/4 ton Chevrolet pickup. I wish I had access to a Range Rover with its superior and modern suspension, better brakes and sophisticated transmission when those horses started fooling around.

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"Just about every day I see something like this ...."

Looks like some sort of mini road train.

No expert, but as far as I know, Range Rover brakes don't work when it's on its roof.
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Just wait for someone to report that one and have it taken down. As we all know, in the US, if it isn't made in the US, it's rubbish. Parochial.
That said, I'm no fan of the "Rangey" anyway.
I'm not actually a fan myself, in the past I preferred the Discovery as the Range Rover has been aimed at the luxury car market for quite some time now and I didn't need that level of passenger sophistication just the all terrain, all weather towing ability and the Discovery provided that in spades. Like them or not, however, there is no getting away from their ability as a great all terrain vehicle and a terrific towcar. Whatever happened to cause the accident that this thread is about it had nothing at all to do with the choice of towcar, that was a great decision. Something obviously went very wrong and it would be interesting to know what it was. All the misinformed speculation going on is pointless.
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I do not have too much experience hauling deadweights on trailers such as Model A's et al. However, I have some experience hauling live weights, (e.g. two - one thousand pound quarter horses) using a 3/4 ton Chevrolet pickup. I wish I had access to a Range Rover with its superior and modern suspension, better brakes and sophisticated transmission when those horses started fooling around.

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I tow my Model A, a trailer sailer and occasionally a friend's horse in a purpose built box. The live weight of the horse has never acted any differently to the dead weights of the car and boat. Why should it? It has no room to 'move about'.
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I really think you ought to research the car you are writing off as a towcar. The car in the accident certainly doesn't have a kerb weight of 1400kg, that's the weight of a modern European hatchback. A Range Rover is a powerful, sophisticated and proven towcar. I'm sorry that it's not made in the USA but many things are better that way.
I think you may have misunderstood my post. I didn't intend to suggest that the RR in the accident had a curb weight of 1400KG, just that, according to the link you provided, there are two examples that are listed as such with the same towing capacity as those nearly twice as heavy. This makes no sense to me. I also didn't intend to suggest that the RR is not "a powerful, sophisticated and proven towcar". That would depend entirely on ones definition of "a powerful, sophisticated and proven towcar". I don't know what a "trailer sailer" is (I suspect a small sail boat????) but I do know that it doesn't take much to haul a model A or a single horse. Regarding the accident in question, it's entirely possible that the accident had nothing to do with the choice of tow vehicle but, then again, it may also be that the load was just too much for the tow vehicle. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter and i don't care. The important thing is that nobody was hurt and the loss of the Rolls is tragic IMO.
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I was always told that the tow vehicle should weight 1/3 more than what it's towing. as a safety margin for a hobbyist. It must of been a heck of a ride for the person towing the Rolls. Quite the loss.

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My wife and I were fortunate to be able to attend the 2003 MARC National meet in Dearborn and I was amazed at the wide range of vehicles at that meet. If I recall, there were close to a thousand Model A's registered. Because of the distance we had trailered our coupe from South Texas, one of only two or three cars from Texas.
In the course of the week I got acquainted with a young man whom I won't name, who had grown up in the hobby and has since made a successful business from it. He had brought two cars, both Model A speedsters, on a narrow, one car wide, tandem trailer 36 feet long (I asked him), and was towing it with a Ford Ranger pickup. "Oh, no, it handles it just fine," he said. "Never a problem."
Well, he was a regular poster on the message board of the day, and several months, maybe a year later, he allowed as how he and his dad had had a little bit of trouble on the Pennsylvania Turnpike coming home from a race and had crashed the rig. The passengers survived but (this is 10 years later and this part is foggy) the speedsters did not. His devotion to the hobby is well known, and since he and his shop are still around, I assume he is now using more appropriate tow rigs.
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I worked with a guy who showed up Monday morning with both rear quarter panels bashed in on his 80's Buick. He had loaded a U-Haul with too much weight behind the single axel. The embarrassing part was after the first event he apparently didn't reload properly and that's why both sides were bashed in.
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When I bought my 1974 vega (drag car project) I rented a U-Haul trailer and they would not let me have it till I proved my tow vehicle (08 1/2t V-6 silverado) was heavier than the car I was going to tow. At first they were not going to let me have it because of the v-6. Then I told them the vega had no drive train and they saiid ok. Thought it was all kind o silly till I made the trip. Man that vega and trailer were heavier than I thought. Never went over 45 mph. Just to sketchie.
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That's a sad sight. Drove a truck for years with liquid loads and had a tag trailer. If your towing and the trailer gets swaying, just use the trailer brake slowly and it should straighten you out. I'm sure we have all seen people driving way to fast with 1 ton dually's with 900 ft lbs torque hauling half the camp ground behind them, they pass me all the time on the interstate and I'm doing 70. A little common sense goes a long ways. BTW I think Range Rovers a pretty cool. But for towing I'll stick with my Ford SD
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What a shame.

a) the driver of the Range Rover clearly did not know what he was doing.
b) The Range Rover is decidedly a very poor choice of a towing vehicle in this case. It is not heavy enough. We have worked on several Range Rovers here in this shop and frankly we feel they are engineered and built very poorly. I myself would not tow a kid's wagon with one
c) I seriously doubt the trailer had its own brakes else I doubt this would have happened.
d) I doubt tongue weight was anywhere near correct...I bet the rig was fishtailing
e) I think the most likely explanation is jack knife, from which there is no recovery

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Agree with Dave one of the biggest piece of craps out there. Don't even think of owning one without a bumper to bumper warranty as it will suck you dry. Just had to order a basic type tailpipe for one which was a measly 285.00.

The tie downs used are those long cargo straps not designed to tie down an axle

A good tow vehicle? I'll pass on that also

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Old 09-03-2016, 07:26 AM   #37
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Are you talking about the Range Rover? If so you Americans must have unnecessarially heavy 14' trailers.
Look at the facts.
http://www.uktow.com/towing%20capaci...=Range%20Rover
What was the weight of the car? I've read approximately 5,000-6,500. The car is what 18" long? How much did that trailer weigh, (20-22 foot) 1900 lbs more. So we are real close and maybe over the max towing of a range rover.

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"Like them or not, however, there is no getting away from their ability as a great all terrain vehicle and a terrific towcar."

Simply stating something something doesn't make it so.

In my humble opinion, a range Rover is too light and the wheel base is too short to tow anything the size and weight of the RR that was involved in the accident.
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Agree with Dave one of the biggest piece of craps out there. Don't even think of owning one without a bumper to bumper warranty as it will suck you dry. Just had to order a basic type tailpipe for one which was a measly 285.00.

The tie downs used are those long cargo straps not designed to tie down an axle

A good tow vehicle? I'll pass on that also
This is obviously an international arguement. The majority of Europeans look down on US vehicles and it's obvious that the opposite is also true.
Does anyone actually know what happened to cause the accident?
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when i was in High school, i towed a boat about 100 miles with a 51 F-1 pickup. the passenger was a tow truck driver. the boat would fish tail, he said just take your foot off the throttle, then it would stop. also he said look at the tail lights at the car 2 car lengths
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This is obviously an international arguement. The majority of Europeans look down on US vehicles and it's obvious that the opposite is also true.
I would agree with this for the most part. However, the fact that the RR has too short of a wheel base to be a good tow vehicle for anything with substance has nothing to do with it's origin. It could very well be one of the best tow vehicles you can buy that is made in Europe.
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The new owner would have been better served if he/she had hired a transporter to move the Rolls, but what many don't know is that 1/2, 3/4, and 1 ton trucks don't exist in Europe like they do in America. When I lived there, my Mazda B2500 pickup was a huge vehicle (a total pain to park). The RR is a large vehicle by European standards. You see many cars pulling caravans (travel trailers) and the appear to be able to handle it. I either use my Expedition or my F150 to pull my Model A, but I'm back in the USA.
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This is obviously an international arguement. The majority of Europeans look down on US vehicles and it's obvious that the opposite is also true.
Does anyone actually know what happened to cause the accident?
This guy has had the same experience as tbirdtbird and Mitch//pa

http://jalopnik.com/carmax-just-paid...ver-1746862325

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This guy has had the same experience as tbirdtbird and Mitch//pa

http://jalopnik.com/carmax-just-paid...ver-1746862325

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Ive always heard a range rover over 3 years old to stay the heck away from. cooling problems and electrical problems out the yang ive been told...
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http://jalopnik.com/carmax-just-paid...ver-1746862325

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Some aftermarket warrantys have small print of the max they will pay out calculated by the percentage book value of the car. I am guessing yours does not. After three more years see if your warranty comp will renew it..... These cars are ok as long as you have a bump to bump coverage and you don't mind having to continually take it back in for service. Oh and a free rental car is a must, but before that's over dump it like a pound of rocks.. They are one of the biggest turds out there for sure
Thanks for posting your story but it is not at all surprising.

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I was telling a Ford mechanic buddy of mine about this story. When I told him it was being towed by a Range Rover he said almost EXACTLY the same thing Mitch said only difference was, he said 'If I was the owner of that thing,( the Range Rover) I would have dumped that shit-box ASAP
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