The Ford Barn

Mike..Yorba Linda · 06-25-2017, 04:32 PM

OK, did some testing.....first checked that water flowed freely through block and that passed, flowed right through. Then did what B-O-B suggested with upper hoses and fan belt off. Saw a burping in the water on the pass side nothing on the driver but driver got 10* hotter and water would overflow the pump flange while pass. side did not. Didn't see any large bubbles on driver side. Any more test suggestions before pulling the heads? Thanks....

Veeder · 06-25-2017, 05:31 PM

I would suggest re-torqueing the head and if you decide to take a stab at it be sure to back to nut off and record how much torque it took then re-torqueing the nut

petehoovie · 06-25-2017, 05:56 PM

I'd try using some of this stuff before pulling the heads > https://www.kseal.com/products/k-seal

Mike..Yorba Linda · 06-25-2017, 06:29 PM

I don't know Pete, that seems kind of like a band aid and I'm looking for a repair after I know what's wrong.....appreciate the tip though......

harold04kurtis · 06-25-2017, 09:50 PM

Mike, I have a v-8-60 that I run in a vintage kurtis midget race car. Had over heating problems until I added "Water Wetter" a Red Line product to the red. went from 210 down to 180/ 190 you can get it at any parts store

Harold

P/S I'm from Yorba Linda back in the 60's

harold04kurtis · 06-25-2017, 10:13 PM

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Mike, send a p/m to you don't know where it went I'm new to this posting thing, any way I use Water Wetter(Red Line product) you can get from any parts store.I run it in my v-8-60 Kurtis midget race car temp. came down from 220 to 180

Harold

P.S. I'm from Yorba Linda back in the 60,s

Mike..Yorba Linda · 06-26-2017, 06:48 AM

Thanks Harold....I can try that easy enough to see if it will make a difference. YL has changed quite a bit from the 60's....East of Kellogg is all new development and not as many equestrian properties.....I'm in East Lake....

Mike..Yorba Linda · 07-16-2017, 05:30 PM

OK.....after much thought, I decided to pull the heads to check gaskets and look for cracks. First, the water pumps are all corroded with something. This mix has been in for two months. It is a mix of A.F/Water/and No-Rosen suggested by Rumble-seat's blog.

After cleaning..

It looks like the impeller is being eaten away...

. And the last photo is the root of my overheating. Sandy sludge between the back cylinders. How should I get this out without screwing something else up?

Appreciate all suggestions.....Having problems getting all photos here...

Mike..Yorba Linda · 07-16-2017, 05:31 PM

Cleaned...

Mike..Yorba Linda · 07-16-2017, 05:32 PM

Eaten away....Skips pumps, 10 years old....

Mike..Yorba Linda · 07-16-2017, 05:33 PM

Sandy sludge.....

Mike..Yorba Linda · 07-16-2017, 05:36 PM

Left side....

JSeery · 07-16-2017, 08:29 PM

Sandy sludge. Is it core sand? Was the core sand cleaned out of the block at the last rebuild?

mountstimothy0 · 07-16-2017, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JSeery

Matter of prospective, some of us believe all engines need thermostats. (and others don't, LOL) Many advantages to running an engine at a higher temperature.

I agree with jseery i had no over heating with a thermostat versus overheating with no thermostat especially in higher climate areas. The thermostat as you probably know slows down water flow and allows the fan to cool down the water in the radiator

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Mike..Yorba Linda · 07-16-2017, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSeery

Sandy sludge. Is it core sand? Was the core sand cleaned out of the block at the last rebuild?

I didn't rebuild it. It defiantly is sandy rusty sludge. I'm thinking of pulling it out and do a through cleaning.....

Mike..Yorba Linda · 07-16-2017, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountstimothy0

I agree with jseery i had no over heating with a thermostat versus overheating with no thermostat especially in higher climate areas. The thermostat as you probably know slows down water flow and allows the fan to cool down the water in the radiator

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I've never run T stats and it never overheated before. So adding them wouldn't make a difference.

philipswanson · 07-16-2017, 11:05 PM

I suspect that new radiator. You say larger tubes, not necessarily good. How many rows? You need 4. Aluminum or brass? Brass cools better. And clean out that block! Hot just in town or on the road too?

Phil Swanson

Init1 · 07-16-2017, 11:26 PM

Maybe it just needs burping. Jack up the front, remove the cap and run it awhile. The trapped air will bubble out if there is any.
Also, run thermostats.

weemark · 07-17-2017, 01:50 AM

mike that's not so good to hear about your issues. ive never seen that crud on a water pump like that before. I wouldn't think the casting sand is your issue, I would say it was the crud on the water pumps which ha caused them to move/pump only a small amount of water. sand has been there now for 81 years and never caused any issues previously, now you know about it, its best to get it out though. I would think you will need to get the block out and spend a bit of time with a screwdriver loosening it as you wash it out.

JSeery · 07-17-2017, 07:25 AM

The sand had to come from somewhere! It is either getting added to the cooling system somehow or something is causing the original casting to come loose and move about. Almost everyone that takes to time to clean the blocks out (they have a ton of sand and wire in there!) claim much fewer cooling issues. The only other thing I can think of is something is going on with the coolant that just appears to be "sandy". But if it is truly fine sand, casting sand could sure be the source.

06-25-2017, 04:32 PM	#61
Mike..Yorba Linda Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Yorba Linda, SoCal Posts: 155	Re: Overheating and fed up.... OK, did some testing.....first checked that water flowed freely through block and that passed, flowed right through. Then did what B-O-B suggested with upper hoses and fan belt off. Saw a burping in the water on the pass side nothing on the driver but driver got 10* hotter and water would overflow the pump flange while pass. side did not. Didn't see any large bubbles on driver side. Any more test suggestions before pulling the heads? Thanks....

06-25-2017, 05:31 PM	#62
Veeder Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: CT Posts: 394	Re: Overheating and fed up.... I would suggest re-torqueing the head and if you decide to take a stab at it be sure to back to nut off and record how much torque it took then re-torqueing the nut

06-25-2017, 05:56 PM	#63
petehoovie Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 8,124	Re: Overheating and fed up.... I'd try using some of this stuff before pulling the heads > https://www.kseal.com/products/k-seal __________________ The only thing nice about being imperfect is the joy it brings to others.... *"Silver rings, your butt! Them's washers!"* "We shot our way out of that town for a dollar's worth of steel holes!" - from 'The Wild Bunch' - 1969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NReUd2_0u0

06-25-2017, 06:29 PM	#64
Mike..Yorba Linda Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Yorba Linda, SoCal Posts: 155	Re: Overheating and fed up.... I don't know Pete, that seems kind of like a band aid and I'm looking for a repair after I know what's wrong.....appreciate the tip though......

06-25-2017, 09:50 PM	#65
harold04kurtis Junior Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Santa Rosa Ca. Posts: 4	Re: Overheating and fed up.... Mike, I have a v-8-60 that I run in a vintage kurtis midget race car. Had over heating problems until I added "Water Wetter" a Red Line product to the red. went from 210 down to 180/ 190 you can get it at any parts store Harold P/S I'm from Yorba Linda back in the 60's

06-25-2017, 10:13 PM	#66
harold04kurtis Junior Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Santa Rosa Ca. Posts: 4	Re: Overheating and fed up.... Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Mike, send a p/m to you don't know where it went I'm new to this posting thing, any way I use Water Wetter(Red Line product) you can get from any parts store.I run it in my v-8-60 Kurtis midget race car temp. came down from 220 to 180 Harold P.S. I'm from Yorba Linda back in the 60,s

06-26-2017, 06:48 AM	#67
Mike..Yorba Linda Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Yorba Linda, SoCal Posts: 155	Re: Overheating and fed up.... Thanks Harold....I can try that easy enough to see if it will make a difference. YL has changed quite a bit from the 60's....East of Kellogg is all new development and not as many equestrian properties.....I'm in East Lake....

07-16-2017, 08:29 PM	#73
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Overheating and fed up.... Sandy sludge. Is it core sand? Was the core sand cleaned out of the block at the last rebuild?

07-16-2017, 11:05 PM	#77
philipswanson Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Bonita, CA Posts: 1,374	Re: Overheating and fed up.... I suspect that new radiator. You say larger tubes, not necessarily good. How many rows? You need 4. Aluminum or brass? Brass cools better. And clean out that block! Hot just in town or on the road too? Phil Swanson

07-16-2017, 11:26 PM	#78
Init1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Oregon City, Oregon Posts: 208	Re: Overheating and fed up.... Maybe it just needs burping. Jack up the front, remove the cap and run it awhile. The trapped air will bubble out if there is any. Also, run thermostats.

07-17-2017, 01:50 AM	#79
weemark Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: uk Posts: 367	Re: Overheating and fed up.... mike that's not so good to hear about your issues. ive never seen that crud on a water pump like that before. I wouldn't think the casting sand is your issue, I would say it was the crud on the water pumps which ha caused them to move/pump only a small amount of water. sand has been there now for 81 years and never caused any issues previously, now you know about it, its best to get it out though. I would think you will need to get the block out and spend a bit of time with a screwdriver loosening it as you wash it out.

07-17-2017, 07:25 AM	#80
JSeery Member Emeritus Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Wichita KS Posts: 16,132	Re: Overheating and fed up.... The sand had to come from somewhere! It is either getting added to the cooling system somehow or something is causing the original casting to come loose and move about. Almost everyone that takes to time to clean the blocks out (they have a ton of sand and wire in there!) claim much fewer cooling issues. The only other thing I can think of is something is going on with the coolant that just appears to be "sandy". But if it is truly fine sand, casting sand could sure be the source.