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The Eclector · 08-10-2017, 04:00 PM

I have a 1930 Model A. I've dropped the oil pan to clean it out after blowing a head gasket. Now I want to put it back together but not having done this before, I have run up against a problem.

I have a new cork gasket set. I've removed the old rear seal and noticed that the new cork seal is about a half inch longer. It won't fit the channel without buckling. I have not soaked it in oil yet. Do I need to trim the new cork gasket or does the excess material help facilitate the seal?

Also, any sage advice for keeping the main pan seal cork in place while I'm installing it?

Ed H. · 08-10-2017, 04:07 PM

Not sure on the crank seal I THINK you need to trim it to a tad longer and tuck the ends in, some one will chime in on that.

The cork gasket all I do is put some wheel brg grease on the block to hold the gasket up until I get the pan in place. I may be handy to cut the heads of a couple of 1/4 bolts, screw them in with fingers to use a alignment dowels.

RawhideKid · 08-10-2017, 04:08 PM

For the model A cork gasket, cut it to 6 11/16 and soak it in water and allow it to dry in an empty tuna can.

Then read this; http://www.sacramentocapitolas.org/s...et-Article.pdf

aermotor · 08-10-2017, 04:28 PM

I attach the pan gaskets to the block with spray contact cement.

John

ModelAMike1930 · 08-10-2017, 05:16 PM

Years ago my uncle used to tie the gaskets with cotton sewing thread. It was thin enough to get the bolts through then cut the thread and pull it out before you bring the bolts home. The thread removed with no problem.

Synchro909 · 08-10-2017, 07:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aermotor

I attach the pan gaskets to the block with spray contact cement.

John

Or super glue.
Take care to not cut the one that goes around the bearing too short.

1955cj5 · 08-10-2017, 07:20 PM

This article can give a little guidance as Rawhide mentioned..

http://www.sacramentocapitolas.org/s...et-Article.pdf

And those studs really help with the alignment, as in the article..

BILL WILLIAMSON · 08-10-2017, 11:52 PM

Can pan gaskets REALLY be that difficult & complicated??????
Bill W.

The Eclector · 08-11-2017, 01:35 AM

Wow, that's some great advice! Thanks for the article, it seems to be just what I was looking for. It would all be a lot easier if the engine were out of the car but I'm not that lucky. Looks like I'll be fabricating some alignment studs.

V4F · 08-11-2017, 08:29 AM

in the car installation . tack pan rails to block , fit rear cork , tack it in , if the front seal is the white one , soak or coat will oil or grease , put pan up . don't forget to hold the oil pump up also . then drive it like you stole it !

BILL WILLIAMSON · 08-11-2017, 06:19 PM

I use ONLY paper gaskets. (CORK gaskets are a PAIN in the ASS!) Glue them to the block with spray trim cement, install the rear cork at each end & in the middle, then work them in carefully. A dab of sealer, where the cork & the gasket intersect. It's EASY! Yes, the front pan bolts are testy, turning the steering helps SOME. That's what Universal Joint Sockets are made for! Just snug the bolts & you're DONE!
OH, to hold up the oil pump, just run a 1/8 pipe die down on a 3/8" SAE bolt & it'll screw in with your fingers, & just snug it up. (TIP# 19) NO, I don't have a LIST of tips, I just "make up" numbers---LOL--The Dog helps me--LOL
OH, when I pulled Vermins' pan, the pump DIDN'T fall out, "someone" had peened over the locating dowel. The oil pump drive gear had NO spring & wouldn't pull out. I don't know how "someone" secured it, so just added a spring & lett'r GO! FUN things you find inside an engine--LOL
Bill Simple

Synchro909 · 08-11-2017, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BILL WILLIAMSON

I use ONLY paper gaskets. (CORK gaskets are a PAIN in the ASS!) Glue them to the block with spray trim cement, install the rear cork at each end & in the middle, then work them in carefully. A dab of sealer, where the cork & the gasket intersect. It's EASY! Yes, the front pan bolts are testy, turning the steering helps SOME. That's what Universal Joint Sockets are made for! Just snug the bolts & you're DONE!
OH, to hold up the oil pump, just run a 1/8 pipe die down on a 3/8" SAE bolt & it'll screw in with your fingers, & just snug it up. (TIP# 19) NO, I don't have a LIST of tips, I just "make up" numbers---LOL--The Dog helps me--LOL
OH, when I pulled Vermins' pan, the pump DIDN'T fall out, "someone" had peened over the locating dowel. The oil pump drive gear had NO spring & wouldn't pull out. I don't know how "someone" secured it, so just added a spring & lett'r GO! FUN things you find inside an engine--LOL
Bill Simple

Mine are not show cars so this won't make any difference but I cut a slot in the head of the front bolts and use a screw driver. Much easier!

Smooth_One · 08-11-2017, 10:25 PM

I was always told your not supposed to trim any of the seals.
And make sure you remove the dipstick before reinstalling the oil pan! Mine got jammed between the pan and windage tray and I didn't know it and i almost broke the stick off.

BILL WILLIAMSON · 08-13-2017, 09:51 AM

Be SURE to straighten the pan flange. I SCUFF them on the cement floor, to make sure they're straight!
Bill Unorthodox

duke36 · 08-13-2017, 11:08 AM

Similar to post 12 , for the engine pans at frame , we cut a slot in the bolt ends to help install/ remove nuts. The article in post 3 is a good method. Using minimal contact cement dabs to hold the gasket in place at a few places insures no gasket shift and allows gasket removal without a lot of residue. The gasket fronts should touch the pulley.
The plastic step ups sold by the vendors we use in our shop regularly when engine in car.

08-10-2017, 04:00 PM	#1
The Eclector Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 9	Installing oil Pan gaskets? I have a 1930 Model A. I've dropped the oil pan to clean it out after blowing a head gasket. Now I want to put it back together but not having done this before, I have run up against a problem. I have a new cork gasket set. I've removed the old rear seal and noticed that the new cork seal is about a half inch longer. It won't fit the channel without buckling. I have not soaked it in oil yet. Do I need to trim the new cork gasket or does the excess material help facilitate the seal? Also, any sage advice for keeping the main pan seal cork in place while I'm installing it? __________________ Steve A. Wilmette, IL 1930 Ford Model A Speedster 1939 Ford V-8 Deluxe fordor 1946 Chevy 3600 Pickup 1948 Chevy Fleetmaster Sport Coupe with Wood Kit 1950 Studebaker Champion Starlight 1953 Dodge B4B pickup 1963 Chevrolet Corvair Spyder convertible

08-10-2017, 04:07 PM	#2
Ed H. Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Milton NH Posts: 148	Re: Installing oil Pan gaskets? Not sure on the crank seal I THINK you need to trim it to a tad longer and tuck the ends in, some one will chime in on that. The cork gasket all I do is put some wheel brg grease on the block to hold the gasket up until I get the pan in place. I may be handy to cut the heads of a couple of 1/4 bolts, screw them in with fingers to use a alignment dowels. __________________ If you see a bomb technician running, do everything in your power to keep up with him. United States Navy

08-10-2017, 04:08 PM	#3
RawhideKid BANNED Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Lower Left Coast Posts: 469	Re: Installing oil Pan gaskets? For the model A cork gasket, cut it to 6 11/16 and soak it in water and allow it to dry in an empty tuna can. Then read this; http://www.sacramentocapitolas.org/s...et-Article.pdf

08-10-2017, 04:28 PM	#4
aermotor Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,099	Re: Installing oil Pan gaskets? I attach the pan gaskets to the block with spray contact cement. John

08-10-2017, 05:16 PM	#5
ModelAMike1930 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Illinois Posts: 382	Re: Installing oil Pan gaskets? Years ago my uncle used to tie the gaskets with cotton sewing thread. It was thin enough to get the bolts through then cut the thread and pull it out before you bring the bolts home. The thread removed with no problem.

08-10-2017, 11:52 PM	#8
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Installing oil Pan gaskets? Can pan gaskets REALLY be that difficult & complicated?????? Bill W. __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

08-11-2017, 01:35 AM	#9
The Eclector Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 9	Re: Installing oil Pan gaskets? Wow, that's some great advice! Thanks for the article, it seems to be just what I was looking for. It would all be a lot easier if the engine were out of the car but I'm not that lucky. Looks like I'll be fabricating some alignment studs. __________________ Steve A. Wilmette, IL 1930 Ford Model A Speedster 1939 Ford V-8 Deluxe fordor 1946 Chevy 3600 Pickup 1948 Chevy Fleetmaster Sport Coupe with Wood Kit 1950 Studebaker Champion Starlight 1953 Dodge B4B pickup 1963 Chevrolet Corvair Spyder convertible

08-11-2017, 08:29 AM	#10
V4F Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: ca. Posts: 2,522	Re: Installing oil Pan gaskets? in the car installation . tack pan rails to block , fit rear cork , tack it in , if the front seal is the white one , soak or coat will oil or grease , put pan up . don't forget to hold the oil pump up also . then drive it like you stole it ! __________________ V4f

08-11-2017, 06:19 PM	#11
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Installing oil Pan gaskets? I use ONLY paper gaskets. (CORK gaskets are a PAIN in the ASS!) Glue them to the block with spray trim cement, install the rear cork at each end & in the middle, then work them in carefully. A dab of sealer, where the cork & the gasket intersect. It's EASY! Yes, the front pan bolts are testy, turning the steering helps SOME. That's what Universal Joint Sockets are made for! Just snug the bolts & you're DONE! OH, to hold up the oil pump, just run a 1/8 pipe die down on a 3/8" SAE bolt & it'll screw in with your fingers, & just snug it up. (TIP# 19) NO, I don't have a LIST of tips, I just "make up" numbers---LOL--The Dog helps me--LOL OH, when I pulled Vermins' pan, the pump DIDN'T fall out, "someone" had peened over the locating dowel. The oil pump drive gear had NO spring & wouldn't pull out. I don't know how "someone" secured it, so just added a spring & lett'r GO! FUN things you find inside an engine--LOL Bill Simple __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF" Last edited by BILL WILLIAMSON; 08-11-2017 at 06:26 PM.

08-11-2017, 10:25 PM	#13
Smooth_One Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: St Clair, Michigan Posts: 395	Re: Installing oil Pan gaskets? I was always told your not supposed to trim any of the seals. And make sure you remove the dipstick before reinstalling the oil pan! Mine got jammed between the pan and windage tray and I didn't know it and i almost broke the stick off. __________________ Isaiah B. 1928 all metal Tudor

08-13-2017, 09:51 AM	#14
BILL WILLIAMSON Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: FRESNO, CA Posts: 12,560	Re: Installing oil Pan gaskets? Be SURE to straighten the pan flange. I SCUFF them on the cement floor, to make sure they're straight! Bill Unorthodox __________________ "THE ASSISTANT GURU OF STUFF"

08-13-2017, 11:08 AM	#15
duke36 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 1,414	Re: Installing oil Pan gaskets? Similar to post 12 , for the engine pans at frame , we cut a slot in the bolt ends to help install/ remove nuts. The article in post 3 is a good method. Using minimal contact cement dabs to hold the gasket in place at a few places insures no gasket shift and allows gasket removal without a lot of residue. The gasket fronts should touch the pulley. The plastic step ups sold by the vendors we use in our shop regularly when engine in car.