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Gord. B by the bay · 05-10-2013, 10:14 AM

Your wire from the coil should be solid wire not the carbon centered wire used to day it may spark but not good enough. Gord. B by the Bay

msmaron · 05-10-2013, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gord. B by the bay

Your wire from the coil should be solid wire not the carbon centered wire used to day it may spark but not good enough. Gord. B by the Bay

The spark from the coil wires sparks across the gap when laid next to a head nut.. that is fine

I am convinced it is a timing issue at this point

Fred · 05-10-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by msmaron

Yes all is fine. Car was running perfect with the A dist

Then "WHY" did you not leave "PERFECT" alone ??..

msmaron · 05-10-2013, 01:38 PM

Because Fred...that is the fun of the model A :-)

Fred · 05-10-2013, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by msmaron

Because Fred...that is the fun of the model A :-)

YUP, Sounds like "FUN"...

msmaron · 05-10-2013, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Fred

YUP, Sounds like "FUN"...

Well have to admit..frustrating. But HEY look at what ya learn when there are problems to trouble shoot!

Fred · 05-10-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by msmaron

Well have to admit..frustrating. But HEY look at what ya learn when there are problems to trouble shoot!

There is only one problem, & you made it...Put the "A" dizzy back in & have "FUN"..

msmaron · 05-10-2013, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fred

There is only one problem, & you made it...Put the "A" dizzy back in & have "FUN"..

Fred your Killin me!!!!

western77 · 05-10-2013, 03:53 PM

Mark, Try taking the dissy cap off.Leave the rotor on. Put the pin in the timing cover and engage the pin. Take the high tension wire from the coil and put the end 1/4inch from a head bolt. Turn on the ignition and rock the rotor back and forth and see if there is a good blue spark from the coil. If not then retard the spark on the side of the dissy all the way. Then try rocking the rotor back and forth. Should be a good hot snapping spark. JB

msmaron · 05-10-2013, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by western77

Mark, Try taking the dissy cap off.Leave the rotor on. Put the pin in the timing cover and engage the pin. Take the high tension wire from the coil and put the end 1/4inch from a head bolt. Turn on the ignition and rock the rotor back and forth and see if there is a good blue spark from the coil. If not then retard the spark on the side of the dissy all the way. Then try rocking the rotor back and forth. Should be a good hot snapping spark. JB

When i put in the pin do you want me to find BTDC before i start all??? and then start the rock of the rotor?

western77 · 05-10-2013, 04:31 PM

You put the pin in the detent and the engine will be at 19degrees befor tdc. Then time you points to brake at that point. That is the starting point. Then start the rocking. See what you get.

Mitch//pa · 05-10-2013, 04:34 PM

just dont dive bomb

msmaron · 05-10-2013, 04:35 PM

OK UPDATE: someone at the house is working on it and got it runnung.. They BYPASSED the cable from the pop out to the side of distributor and got it running and running GOOD!!

Seems there is a problem with the pop out and the little cable wire that goes to the dizzy??
I have a modified pop-out with the wire coming out of it to a quick connect to the cable wire that connects to the side of the dizzy..

western77 · 05-10-2013, 04:41 PM

Mark, With a B dissy you start the engine 19degrees BTDC. This is why you do not want to hand crank a B. This may seem strange to a model A er who always starts his engine at 0 degrees or at TDC. JB

jkeesey · 05-10-2013, 04:41 PM

Hey, dont do that.

Duffy1 · 05-10-2013, 04:49 PM

I am with Wick . Put the A dist . back in . Leave the B timing coner on and for get about the finding TDC with the pin . Just watch the piston come up to TDC and time the A dist . If you do this and the car starts then you have narrowed the problem down to the B dist . Might want to try a different B dist . I have an A dist and A timing cover on my B engine. If you time it like an A it is to far advanced and rattles big time . I now time it by ear and keep messing with it until it is on the verge of rattling. Comparing this to doing by the book ( Les,ford ,Marco ) I end up way retarded compared to the book . I talked to the fellow that rebuilt the engine ( before I bought the car ) and mention to him the problems I had timing the car . He said he had the same problem . So it is a mystery. You may also have a mystery. I know how frustrated you are . Been there . Keep messing with sooner or later you will figure it out .

Fred · 05-10-2013, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by msmaron

OK UPDATE: someone at the house is working on it and got it runnung.. They BYPASSED the cable from the pop out to the side of distributor and got it running and running GOOD!!

Seems there is a problem with the pop out and the little cable wire that goes to the dizzy??
I have a modified pop-out with the wire coming out of it to a quick connect to the cable wire that connects to the side of the dizzy..

MY MY. How did that problem get there ?? Why do you keep making things "BETTER" ?? & making more problems ??

msmaron · 05-10-2013, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Duffy1

I know how frustrated you are . Been there . Keep messing with sooner or later you will figure it out .

Seems there is a problem with the pop out and the little cable wire that goes to the dizzy??
I have a modified pop-out with the wire coming out of it to a quick connect to the cable wire that connects to the side of the dizzy..

jkeesey · 05-10-2013, 05:36 PM

Get a modern look alike switch and some period correct wire and call it a day.

msmaron · 05-10-2013, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jkeesey

Get a modern look alike switch and some period correct wire and call it a day.

BINGO...seems that was the problem and will let you know for sure

thank you!

05-10-2013, 10:14 AM	#21
Gord. B by the bay Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Owen Sound Ont. Canada Posts: 198	Re: Please help with Timing on Model A w/B Distrib....problems!! Your wire from the coil should be solid wire not the carbon centered wire used to day it may spark but not good enough. Gord. B by the Bay

05-10-2013, 01:38 PM	#24
msmaron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wauconda, IL Posts: 3,600	Re: Please help with Timing on Model A w/B Distrib....problems!! Because Fred...that is the fun of the model A :-) __________________ Mark Maron Ill., Region MARC & MAFCA MARC JSC Member MAFFI Trustee National Facebook Admin. https://www.facebook.com/groups/MARC.group/ A7191-Sport Coupe 29 Roadster 29-Town Sedan 29-Original Special Coupe

05-10-2013, 03:53 PM	#29
western77 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Grand Rapids Mi Posts: 168	Re: Please help with Timing on Model A w/B Distrib....problems!! Mark, Try taking the dissy cap off.Leave the rotor on. Put the pin in the timing cover and engage the pin. Take the high tension wire from the coil and put the end 1/4inch from a head bolt. Turn on the ignition and rock the rotor back and forth and see if there is a good blue spark from the coil. If not then retard the spark on the side of the dissy all the way. Then try rocking the rotor back and forth. Should be a good hot snapping spark. JB

05-10-2013, 04:31 PM	#31
western77 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Grand Rapids Mi Posts: 168	Re: Please help with Timing on Model A w/B Distrib....problems!! You put the pin in the detent and the engine will be at 19degrees befor tdc. Then time you points to brake at that point. That is the starting point. Then start the rocking. See what you get.

05-10-2013, 04:34 PM	#32
Mitch//pa BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 11,454	Re: Please help with Timing on Model A w/B Distrib....problems!! just dont dive bomb

05-10-2013, 04:35 PM	#33
msmaron Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wauconda, IL Posts: 3,600	Re: Please help with Timing on Model A w/B Distrib....problems!! OK UPDATE: someone at the house is working on it and got it runnung.. They BYPASSED the cable from the pop out to the side of distributor and got it running and running GOOD!! Seems there is a problem with the pop out and the little cable wire that goes to the dizzy?? I have a modified pop-out with the wire coming out of it to a quick connect to the cable wire that connects to the side of the dizzy.. __________________ Mark Maron Ill., Region MARC & MAFCA MARC JSC Member MAFFI Trustee National Facebook Admin. https://www.facebook.com/groups/MARC.group/ A7191-Sport Coupe 29 Roadster 29-Town Sedan 29-Original Special Coupe

05-10-2013, 04:41 PM	#34
western77 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Grand Rapids Mi Posts: 168	Re: Please help with Timing on Model A w/B Distrib....problems!! Mark, With a B dissy you start the engine 19degrees BTDC. This is why you do not want to hand crank a B. This may seem strange to a model A er who always starts his engine at 0 degrees or at TDC. JB

05-10-2013, 04:41 PM	#35
jkeesey Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Glenmoore Pa Posts: 1,644	Re: Please help with Timing on Model A w/B Distrib....problems!! Hey, dont do that.

05-10-2013, 04:49 PM	#36
Duffy1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Mo. City , Texas Posts: 725	Re: Please help with Timing on Model A w/B Distrib....problems!! I am with Wick . Put the A dist . back in . Leave the B timing coner on and for get about the finding TDC with the pin . Just watch the piston come up to TDC and time the A dist . If you do this and the car starts then you have narrowed the problem down to the B dist . Might want to try a different B dist . I have an A dist and A timing cover on my B engine. If you time it like an A it is to far advanced and rattles big time . I now time it by ear and keep messing with it until it is on the verge of rattling. Comparing this to doing by the book ( Les,ford ,Marco ) I end up way retarded compared to the book . I talked to the fellow that rebuilt the engine ( before I bought the car ) and mention to him the problems I had timing the car . He said he had the same problem . So it is a mystery. You may also have a mystery. I know how frustrated you are . Been there . Keep messing with sooner or later you will figure it out .

05-10-2013, 05:36 PM	#39
jkeesey Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Glenmoore Pa Posts: 1,644	Re: Please help with Timing on Model A w/B Distrib....problems!! Get a modern look alike switch and some period correct wire and call it a day.