The Ford Barn

Rusty Homestead Fl · 09-05-2013, 10:33 AM

Way to go Midgetracer! It's a fine thing you did for a nice lady, her A and yourself.

Ross/Kzoo · 09-23-2013, 07:51 PM

We haven't heard anything in a couple of weeks. Is there any progress being made since the motor seems to be turning over a little?

Tom Wesenberg · 09-23-2013, 09:30 PM

Funny you should mention that, because I was going to ask the same thing last night, but got sidetracked and forgot.

I was wondering if all the valves are unstuck, so all cylinders have compression.

BetsyModelA · 09-26-2013, 08:45 PM

Hi All,
Betsy here. Just a little update. I took some time off - poked myself in the eye cleaning out the lilac bushes. Next time someone offers protective eyewear I'm using it. Now, back to Betsy. Since midgetracer turned the motor over for me, I take delight in turning the crank everytime I come and go from Betsy's garage. I soaked the gas valve in carborator cleaner and reinstaled the gas line. Cleaned out the gas tank with that same type of cleaner. I have water/antifreeze for 37 degrees below, and put fresh oil in the motor. Now then, I'm having a bit of trouble lining up the starter for a remount. I cleaned the starter (on the outside) and put it into place. My problem - can't get the bolts to go in. So, I'm soaking them in carborator cleaner over night. I'll go back to trying again tomorrow. My, that starter is heavy! My husband tried to help as well. Neither of us could get those bolts to enter the hole for it. I'll clean bolts and the mount well tomorrow before trying again. Hey, I'm getting closer to putting in a new battery, new spark plugs, and giving the starter a try. Wish me luck! Betsy

[email protected] · 09-26-2013, 09:30 PM

Please make sure you put the starter bolts back into the same spots they came out of. If you use the longer starter bolts in the wrong holes it may jamb into the flywheel. Common mistake often made.

Mad Mac · 09-27-2013, 01:38 AM

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Aaaahhh! So that's why there was an almightly clunketty cklunk noise from my bell-housing when I drove my restored A for the first time. It scared the bejaysus out of me! I was all set to start dismantling things when the noise just went away and never recurred and that was about 20,000 trouble-free miles ago. So what did I break off that didn't matter? I have wondered about that ever since!

Ross/Kzoo · 09-27-2013, 06:45 AM

I would suggest running the bolt in and out of their holes without the starter until they do it smoothly. How freely does the motor turn over?

BetsyModelA · 09-27-2013, 07:51 AM

Thanks for that important suggestion, [email protected], I will sure compare the three of them more closely. They look alike, but there must be something different about them. I didn't pay attention to difference in the bolts when they were removed assuming they were alike. Thank you, too, Ross/Kzoo, I will do that too. The crank moves ever so smooth. It has a free flow, but with some resistance. I'll be putting the bolts into the starter today. And, I'll follow these suggestions given. Betsy

BetsyModelA · 09-27-2013, 07:52 AM

Thank you, Mad Mac, for sharing your experience. I'm hoping for no noise (only the sweet sound of Betsy's motor) when I put the starter back in. Wish me luck.

midgetracer · 09-27-2013, 09:37 PM

The engine turns over real smooth. There is plenty compression for a startup based on the "thumb over the spark plug hole" test. I think a startup is in the near future. Hang in there Betsy Model A.

BetsyModelA · 09-28-2013, 03:19 PM

My husband and I mounted the starter today. After having soaked the three bolts for 24 hours in carburator cleaner, wiping them clean, doing a practice entrance, seeing which one fit best where, Lynn held the starter in place while I put the first and closest bolt into place, the other two were a piece of cake. I finished that part by connecting the starter foot pedal. Next week, I'm taking my old battery in, have it tested, then replace it with a new one.

Next, I'll get some new sparkplugs. Lastly, I'll buy some new gasolene. I'll be driving Betsy before long. Special thanks to midgetracer, my backup expert for Betsy.

700rpm · 09-28-2013, 04:17 PM

You want to put the shortest bolt in the hole closest to the block. Turn your engine over with the crank after mounting the starter to make sure that back bolt isn't locking up your flywheel. The engine should turn over with the same resistance as when the starter was not installed.

silversink · 09-28-2013, 07:10 PM

I've been lucky----didn't notice the difference. Now I will have to pull the bolts to see.

Ross/Kzoo · 09-28-2013, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silversink

I've been lucky----didn't notice the difference. Now I will have to pull the bolts to see.

Most of us has done that at least once. LOL

BetsyModelA · 09-28-2013, 09:05 PM

Thanks guys. I was forwarned of putting the wrong bolt in the wrong place and hitting the fly wheel. In checking the bolts they look as though they were all the same size. Reluctantly I put them in, and then turned the crank thinking I'd hear a noise, none came. I was much releaved. Perhaps, some Model As have different sizes, then I see there could be a problem if not assembled correctly. Mine was easy! Betsy lucked out!

Tom Wesenberg · 09-28-2013, 09:47 PM

Unless someone changed the mounting bolts, all 3 should be the same, 3/8" x 1" with a lock washer under each.

700rpm · 09-29-2013, 12:29 AM

That's interesting, Tom. I don't remember ever working on an A where one bolt wasn't shorter than the other two. But it could be I wasn't paying close attention until somebody warned me about it.

BetsyModelA · 09-29-2013, 03:36 PM

Tom, I concur. The 3 bolts appeared to be the same size with a lock washer.
Upon being warned of different size bolts, After inserting them, I turned the crank, gently, and listened for a possible cklunk or metal on metal, but it didn't happen. Whew!

BetsyModelA · 10-05-2013, 10:11 AM

An update for those interested in Betsy: got new spark plugs, took out the old battery anticpating puttin in the new one. I'm in the process of taking out the current battery box that's rusted through. Ordered a "new" one. The nuts and bolts are rusted tight. Have sprayed penetrating oil on them, leaving them sit a few days, then I'll try a good socket set on them. Wish me luck in the switch. BetsyModelA

partridgekelley · 10-05-2013, 10:47 AM

I have dealt with a few 'stuck' old engines and the only thing I would advise is drop the pan and loosen or remove the bearing caps. A couple of the engines would have been good engines if I hadn't just forced it to turn over=the bearings and crank had worked on each other to keep it from turning. If you open it up and the bearings and journals are OK you might have saved a good engine. Than you work on the pistons.
GOOD LUCK!

09-05-2013, 10:33 AM	#141
Rusty Homestead Fl Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Homestead, Fl Posts: 351	Re: Model A motor froze-up Way to go Midgetracer! It's a fine thing you did for a nice lady, her A and yourself.

09-23-2013, 07:51 PM	#142
Ross/Kzoo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Richland Mi. Posts: 1,172	Re: Model A motor froze-up We haven't heard anything in a couple of weeks. Is there any progress being made since the motor seems to be turning over a little?

09-23-2013, 09:30 PM	#143
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Model A motor froze-up Funny you should mention that, because I was going to ask the same thing last night, but got sidetracked and forgot. I was wondering if all the valves are unstuck, so all cylinders have compression.

09-26-2013, 08:45 PM	#144
BetsyModelA Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Harvey, ND Posts: 99	Re: Model A motor froze-up Hi All, Betsy here. Just a little update. I took some time off - poked myself in the eye cleaning out the lilac bushes. Next time someone offers protective eyewear I'm using it. Now, back to Betsy. Since midgetracer turned the motor over for me, I take delight in turning the crank everytime I come and go from Betsy's garage. I soaked the gas valve in carborator cleaner and reinstaled the gas line. Cleaned out the gas tank with that same type of cleaner. I have water/antifreeze for 37 degrees below, and put fresh oil in the motor. Now then, I'm having a bit of trouble lining up the starter for a remount. I cleaned the starter (on the outside) and put it into place. My problem - can't get the bolts to go in. So, I'm soaking them in carborator cleaner over night. I'll go back to trying again tomorrow. My, that starter is heavy! My husband tried to help as well. Neither of us could get those bolts to enter the hole for it. I'll clean bolts and the mount well tomorrow before trying again. Hey, I'm getting closer to putting in a new battery, new spark plugs, and giving the starter a try. Wish me luck! Betsy

09-26-2013, 09:30 PM	#145
[email protected] Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 730	Re: Model A motor froze-up Please make sure you put the starter bolts back into the same spots they came out of. If you use the longer starter bolts in the wrong holes it may jamb into the flywheel. Common mistake often made.

09-27-2013, 01:38 AM	#146
Mad Mac Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: New Zealand Posts: 366	Re: Model A motor froze-up Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) Aaaahhh! So that's why there was an almightly clunketty cklunk noise from my bell-housing when I drove my restored A for the first time. It scared the bejaysus out of me! I was all set to start dismantling things when the noise just went away and never recurred and that was about 20,000 trouble-free miles ago. So what did I break off that didn't matter? I have wondered about that ever since!

09-27-2013, 06:45 AM	#147
Ross/Kzoo Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Richland Mi. Posts: 1,172	Re: Model A motor froze-up I would suggest running the bolt in and out of their holes without the starter until they do it smoothly. How freely does the motor turn over?

09-27-2013, 07:51 AM	#148
BetsyModelA Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Harvey, ND Posts: 99	Re: Model A motor froze-up Thanks for that important suggestion, [email protected], I will sure compare the three of them more closely. They look alike, but there must be something different about them. I didn't pay attention to difference in the bolts when they were removed assuming they were alike. Thank you, too, Ross/Kzoo, I will do that too. The crank moves ever so smooth. It has a free flow, but with some resistance. I'll be putting the bolts into the starter today. And, I'll follow these suggestions given. Betsy

09-27-2013, 07:52 AM	#149
BetsyModelA Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Harvey, ND Posts: 99	Re: Model A motor froze-up Thank you, Mad Mac, for sharing your experience. I'm hoping for no noise (only the sweet sound of Betsy's motor) when I put the starter back in. Wish me luck. Last edited by BetsyModelA; 09-27-2013 at 07:54 AM. Reason: clarification

09-27-2013, 09:37 PM	#150
midgetracer Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Bismarck ND Posts: 1,189	Re: Model A motor froze-up The engine turns over real smooth. There is plenty compression for a startup based on the "thumb over the spark plug hole" test. I think a startup is in the near future. Hang in there Betsy Model A.

09-28-2013, 03:19 PM	#151
BetsyModelA Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Harvey, ND Posts: 99	Re: Model A motor froze-up My husband and I mounted the starter today. After having soaked the three bolts for 24 hours in carburator cleaner, wiping them clean, doing a practice entrance, seeing which one fit best where, Lynn held the starter in place while I put the first and closest bolt into place, the other two were a piece of cake. I finished that part by connecting the starter foot pedal. Next week, I'm taking my old battery in, have it tested, then replace it with a new one. Next, I'll get some new sparkplugs. Lastly, I'll buy some new gasolene. I'll be driving Betsy before long. Special thanks to midgetracer, my backup expert for Betsy.

09-28-2013, 04:17 PM	#152
700rpm Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 5,902	Re: Model A motor froze-up You want to put the shortest bolt in the hole closest to the block. Turn your engine over with the crank after mounting the starter to make sure that back bolt isn't locking up your flywheel. The engine should turn over with the same resistance as when the starter was not installed. __________________ Ray Horton, Portland, OR As you go through life, keep your eye on the donut, not the hole.

09-28-2013, 07:10 PM	#153
silversink Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Dayton Oregon Posts: 318	Re: Model A motor froze-up I've been lucky----didn't notice the difference. Now I will have to pull the bolts to see.

09-28-2013, 09:05 PM	#155
BetsyModelA Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Harvey, ND Posts: 99	Re: Model A motor froze-up Thanks guys. I was forwarned of putting the wrong bolt in the wrong place and hitting the fly wheel. In checking the bolts they look as though they were all the same size. Reluctantly I put them in, and then turned the crank thinking I'd hear a noise, none came. I was much releaved. Perhaps, some Model As have different sizes, then I see there could be a problem if not assembled correctly. Mine was easy! Betsy lucked out!

09-28-2013, 09:47 PM	#156
Tom Wesenberg Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mpls, MN Posts: 27,582	Re: Model A motor froze-up Unless someone changed the mounting bolts, all 3 should be the same, 3/8" x 1" with a lock washer under each.

09-29-2013, 12:29 AM	#157
700rpm Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 5,902	Re: Model A motor froze-up That's interesting, Tom. I don't remember ever working on an A where one bolt wasn't shorter than the other two. But it could be I wasn't paying close attention until somebody warned me about it. __________________ Ray Horton, Portland, OR As you go through life, keep your eye on the donut, not the hole.

09-29-2013, 03:36 PM	#158
BetsyModelA Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Harvey, ND Posts: 99	Re: Model A motor froze-up Tom, I concur. The 3 bolts appeared to be the same size with a lock washer. Upon being warned of different size bolts, After inserting them, I turned the crank, gently, and listened for a possible cklunk or metal on metal, but it didn't happen. Whew!

10-05-2013, 10:11 AM	#159
BetsyModelA Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Harvey, ND Posts: 99	Re: Model A motor froze-up An update for those interested in Betsy: got new spark plugs, took out the old battery anticpating puttin in the new one. I'm in the process of taking out the current battery box that's rusted through. Ordered a "new" one. The nuts and bolts are rusted tight. Have sprayed penetrating oil on them, leaving them sit a few days, then I'll try a good socket set on them. Wish me luck in the switch. BetsyModelA

10-05-2013, 10:47 AM	#160
partridgekelley Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fort Bragg,Ca. Posts: 362	Re: Model A motor froze-up I have dealt with a few 'stuck' old engines and the only thing I would advise is drop the pan and loosen or remove the bearing caps. A couple of the engines would have been good engines if I hadn't just forced it to turn over=the bearings and crank had worked on each other to keep it from turning. If you open it up and the bearings and journals are OK you might have saved a good engine. Than you work on the pistons. GOOD LUCK!