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04-19-2018, 05:29 AM | #1 |
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Cam gear noise after warmup
I recently bought a 1929 standard coupe with an engine rebuilt 6 or 7 years ago and two owners ago. After warmup the cam gear is rattling. I tested it using the timing pin method described in the various threads on this topic. I plan to pull the timing cover to investigate. My question is why would this only clatter after warming up? Does it signify anything except that it rattles when warm? Ah, the joys of getting yet another car to work on...
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04-19-2018, 07:37 AM | #2 |
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Re: Cam gear noise after warmup
Pull the cover. You are probably going to see right away what the problem is.
Worn gear or gears, loose nut, bad spring, open her up. It’s the only way to know for sure. I have to ask. What weight motor oil are you using? Light oil can cause different noises as the engine warms up. I’m not saying that’s the problem, just asking. Tell us what you find. Enjoy. Last edited by WHN; 04-19-2018 at 08:02 AM. |
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04-19-2018, 09:11 AM | #3 |
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Re: Cam gear noise after warmup
WHN,
It has 30 wt in it from the previous owner. I'll be changing the oil and putting in 20-50. The cover comes off this morning. Hunt |
04-19-2018, 09:18 AM | #4 |
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Re: Cam gear noise after warmup
Good, try one bottle of the Blue STP along with the four quarts of 20w-50. I would do the oil change before taking timing cover off. You might get lucky!
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04-19-2018, 09:41 AM | #5 |
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Re: Cam gear noise after warmup
It could be a lot of things we will only be guessing. If it did it right after the engine build it is probably to much lash between the gears. The mains have to be bore in the right location, not just close. Like every thing in a engine it has to be done right.
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04-19-2018, 01:08 PM | #6 |
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04-19-2018, 02:19 PM | #7 |
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Re: Cam gear noise after warmup
The metal centered fiber gears were not one of Ford's better ideas. They have been problematic ever since. You're on the right track now.
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04-19-2018, 02:58 PM | #8 |
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Re: Cam gear noise after warmup
That’s great!!!
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04-20-2018, 01:37 PM | #10 |
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Re: Cam gear noise after warmup
When tightening it, someone can easily hold it with the CRANK! (REALLY!) Daves' Wife held it, while I coached him, on his BLUE TOOTH!
Once, I coached him for an HOUR & a HALF, to get his stuck head off! When someone says, "JUST POP THE HEAD OFF"---It's time for GREAT LAUGHTER!!! Bill Tight
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04-22-2018, 07:25 AM | #11 |
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Re: Cam gear noise after warmup
Another update: I checked across the face of the timing gear towards the cam and found the aluminum insert was convex by a few thousandth causing it to rock on the cam face even when tight. I purchased the laminated fiber gear from Snyder's and installed it yesterday after making sure the timing marks were in the correct position on the old gear and the crank. I soaked the fiber gear in a tray of oil before installing it. I turned the crank pulley with a long screwdriver (plugs out) for semi-final adjustment and tapped the cam face pin to get the gear holes lined up just right. Then I started tightening the nut, then turned the engine with the hand, tighten, crank, tighten and got it seated. I spent the extra few bucks for the hex head cam nut...so much easier and I can use a BF 3/4 drive bar to get the 1.5" nut easily to 100#. I've just done it up tight enough now to check for secureness on the cam face. After getting the nut to 100#, I will grease the plunger and spring as well as drip more oil on the gear before it goes together.
Thanks for all the hints and help. Hunt in finally sunny and warmish southern NH (tip to John Charlton in England). |
04-23-2018, 05:30 AM | #12 |
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Re: Cam gear noise after warmup
Here are some shots of the work so far. One shows the difference between the plunger that was in the car and the new one just received. The more deeply grooved plunger was in the car. The second picture shows a slight depression in the end of the cam that measures 45 thousandths deep. My question is could the deeply grooved plunger have caused the depression in the cam, like a cutting tool? I plan to put in the new plunger with the lighter cross grooves after soaking it and the spring with oil.
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04-23-2018, 06:38 AM | #13 |
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Could be possible. Good thing you are replacing. The grooves are there to get some oil in to lubricate. Your old one has some major grooves.
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04-23-2018, 07:59 AM | #14 |
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Re: Cam gear noise after warmup
The old spring may have been too strong, putting too much pressure on the plunger.
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