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Old 06-11-2015, 12:01 PM   #1
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Default Fan Keeps loosening on water pump

Hi all:
I have a question about my 4 blade, stamp metal, riveted fan loosening up on a new stainless water pump shaft. My fan was sound, and has been on the car since restoration in the 50's, I rebuilt the water pump last year and installed a new stainless shaft from Brattons or Snyders, (I haven't looked for my invoice) and now the fan has loosened up a couple of times. I've been able to get the cotter out to tighten the nut which cures it for a few hundred miles, and this last time, it wasn't very loose - I just barely tighten it one notch. So it seems to be getting better, or tighter.

Should I just bite the bullet and take the rad off and see what's going on? Or could this be getting the key re-seated, or something? Are the shafts known to be off in the taper in some shafts?

Just looking for input.
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Old 06-11-2015, 01:27 PM   #2
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Any time the shaft or fan is changed, it's best to trial fit the two together without the key, just to be sure the taper is a perfect match. Then use the key and make sure the fan hub still fully seats on the shaft taper.

If the fan hub is aluminum it's best to use a thin steel flat washer under the nut.

If the taper is a slight mismatch, I've heard of guys using valve grinding compound to lap them together.
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Any time the shaft or fan is changed, it's best to trial fit the two together without the key, just to be sure the taper is a perfect match. Then use the key and make sure the fan hub still fully seats on the shaft taper.

If the fan hub is aluminum it's best to use a thin steel flat washer under the nut.

If the taper is a slight mismatch, I've heard of guys using valve grinding compound to lap them together.
NOT RECOMMENDING THIS, but I put BLUE LOCTITE on the taper, NEVER came loose, BUT, when I had to remove it, later, it wuz a BITCH to get OFF!!!
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Old 06-11-2015, 01:49 PM   #4
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I like to put a little lapping compound on them and then
check the fit with Prussian blue.

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Old 06-12-2015, 01:02 AM   #5
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Look very carefully at the fan hub, has it cracked? I had one year or two ago that cracked and kept coming loose. I put a different fan on, threw the cracked one away, and problem solved.
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Old 06-12-2015, 11:20 AM   #6
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Thanks for the suggestions guys.

WOody 31 - I must admit I didn't look the hub over for cracks when rebuilding. The hub is steel, and was well used veteran, so I didn't think of it.

Everything tightened up ok on the bench, but I'm wishing now that I had checked the fit with blueing.

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Old 06-13-2015, 06:31 AM   #7
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Years ago I wrote a short paper on this joint. I can't find a copy, but it is in one of my books and you can see it at this site. It is a preview and you don't have to buy the book to read it. This subject is on page 28 and I hope this site will bring it up for you.
http://www.blurb.com/books/2102520-m...tips-and-hints

If not, go to blurb.com, search for "Model A Tips and hints", go to the preview, find pg. 28 and enlarge it so you can read it.
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Old 06-14-2015, 06:34 PM   #8
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Thanks Jack, your link worked.

I have bumped into your tips book before, and appreciate your suggestions on this and other subjects.
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