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Old 10-14-2016, 08:42 PM   #21
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once again old ron is right
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Old 10-14-2016, 09:21 PM   #22
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Instead of cutting off the original wishbone mount would it have been feasible to machine the rearmost mount off the trans to get it down as low as it is now.
Not really. I started by trying to relieve the rear part of that black 4x4 housing but I just couldn't get enough clearance without compromising the integrity of the case itself. That black one you see in the pics is pretty much trash at this point.

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Old 10-14-2016, 09:23 PM   #23
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But would the Dana/Spicer be as rigid as the original? Do you keep the rear radius rods?

How much is the 39/40 frame different from the illustrated frame? I would love to make this mod on my 39 pickup as it is still disassembled.

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Old 10-14-2016, 10:09 PM   #24
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once again old ron is right
Careful with this. Same logic could apply to why use a flathead. Outdated? Yep. Cool as shiz? Yep again. Going away? Nope.
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Old 10-15-2016, 12:16 AM   #25
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Well thought out and designed!!! My hats off to both of you. There is one question: Looking at the location of the shift tower on the T5 Trans it looks like the shift arm will protrude thru the floor well back into the cab of the truck. How close to the seat did it end up being?
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Old 10-15-2016, 01:00 AM   #26
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Great info & presentation guys!
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Old 10-15-2016, 01:48 AM   #27
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Yep- you guys deserve the Fordbarn flatheader of the year award!!
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Old 10-15-2016, 01:52 AM   #28
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For anyone concerned about the position of the shift lever, there is an alternative to the T5, and that is the RTS F150 trans from 84-87. It's a 3+1 as opposed to the T5's 4+1, but all aspects of the conversion above apply to it. The beauty is that the shift lever is only 1 1/2" to 2" away from the stock early Ford position. I welded an early lever to the stub in mine, and no one can tell it's not an early Ford trans. I certainly do not miss the extra gear of the T5, and I can slam it through the gearchanges like a sports car.
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Old 10-15-2016, 06:02 AM   #29
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Replacement 35-40 Ford X member with wishbone adaptor to suit T5 trans will also suit other trans.
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Old 10-15-2016, 06:27 AM   #30
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For anyone concerned about the position of the shift lever, there is an alternative to the T5, and that is the RTS F150 trans from 84-87. It's a 3+1 as opposed to the T5's 4+1, but all aspects of the conversion above apply to it. The beauty is that the shift lever is only 1 1/2" to 2" away from the stock early Ford position. I welded an early lever to the stub in mine, and no one can tell it's not an early Ford trans. I certainly do not miss the extra gear of the T5, and I can slam it through the gearchanges like a sports car.
Here is the adaptor plate to fit to the rear of the 3+1 trans so you can keep your closed drive and torque tube
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Old 10-15-2016, 07:14 AM   #31
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Well thought out and designed!!! My hats off to both of you. There is one question: Looking at the location of the shift tower on the T5 Trans it looks like the shift arm will protrude thru the floor well back into the cab of the truck. How close to the seat did it end up being?
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You can see about where it will come out in relation to the front of the seat by looking at the holes in the frame member here and comparing to the first pics DD posted.

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Old 10-15-2016, 12:30 PM   #32
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Well thought out and designed!!! My hats off to both of you. There is one question: Looking at the location of the shift tower on the T5 Trans it looks like the shift arm will protrude thru the floor well back into the cab of the truck. How close to the seat did it end up being?
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As Heard pointed-out, compare the two pictures. In his pic of the seat bottom, the T5 shifter will come out of the floor just slightly forward of the mechanical brake arm that has all of that bailing wire wrapped-around it. Compare the square and round holes in the frame rail. I estimate that it's roughly 6" or 7" behind the stock Ford location. DD



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Old 10-15-2016, 01:28 PM   #33
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Great thread very nice work. I love your original old pickup she's a beauty. Does anyone know if these t5s were used in cars that we have in New Zealand?
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Old 10-15-2016, 06:01 PM   #34
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Oh man. Rad.
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Old 10-15-2016, 08:14 PM   #35
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Wow, great presentation, Thanks. old guy Rich.
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Old 10-15-2016, 08:47 PM   #36
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Great stuff!! Hard core, no BS engineering, with pictures no less. Thanks!
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Old 10-15-2016, 09:54 PM   #37
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Very nice project. Thanks for posting and your dedication to bring this application to life. I will be keeping this thread for future reference.
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Old 10-16-2016, 01:19 AM   #38
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Senor Heard
Is the WILCAP adapter the: BH 59A-350 ; BHA FHFT- 350, or the BHA -292 FTS?
Thanks, John
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Looks like allot of work to me!!
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Great thread very nice work. I love your original old pickup she's a beauty. Does anyone know if these t5s were used in cars that we have in New Zealand?
Tony.......Thank you for the compliments. Below is at least a partial list of cars that were factory equipped with NON WORLD CLASS T5s. I did not include a list of those using the WORLD CLASS variant because the necessary Jeep parts used in this project were never offered in WORLD CLASS guise. Remember, ya can't mix WC with NWC! DD

The non-world class T-5s were used in the following cars and trucks:
  • 1982-'85 AMC Spirit, Eagle and Concord
  • 1982-'86 Jeep CJ and XJ trucks
  • 1982-'85 Ford Mustang and T-Bird
  • 1983-'87 Camaro and Firebird
  • 1982-'92 Chevy/GMC S/T-10 pickups, Blazers and Astro van
  • 1982-'83 Nissan 280ZX
  • 1984-'86 Nissan 300ZX
  • 1984-'86 Chevette and Pontiac T-1000 also used this unit, however, the countershaft bearings were smaller and the T-Body bellhousing was not interchangeable with any other GM models.
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