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Old 01-20-2022, 10:09 PM   #1
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Default Universal Joint Cover

Just having a moment......
I have forgotten what part of the Universal Joint Cover goes on the top when reassembling. Left or right?

Can someone remind me please?

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Old 01-20-2022, 10:48 PM   #2
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the one on the left goes on top. the cast center finger hooks (sets above)on top of the cross member.
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Old 01-20-2022, 10:51 PM   #3
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Old 01-20-2022, 11:05 PM   #4
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I'm guessing this is an early one?
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Old 01-20-2022, 11:41 PM   #5
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JohninKuranda wants to know what part of the Universal Joint Cover goes on the top when reassembling.
Answer - The one on the left goes on top. the cast center finger hooks (sets above)on top of the cross member - jlgco14.
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Old 01-21-2022, 04:51 AM   #6
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That is an early one meant to be used with the first generation AR braking system. Steve Plucker has a good write up of the evolution of the cover.
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Old 01-22-2022, 01:28 PM   #7
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another thing to keep in mind is there are 2 different transmission rear bearing retainers with different bolt patterns, make sure they match up.
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Old 01-22-2022, 05:11 PM   #8
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U-Joint Cover Gasket
I have been trying to figure out a better solution to the rectangular cork gasket that leaks at the back of the transmission in the clam shell that covers the U-Joint.
I found a rubber gasket that is 5/16 x 5/16 that is used for industrail hose couplings. It is only 2 inches in side diameter so it does have to be cut at the joint between the top and bottom of the clam shell. They do have a 4 inch gasket, but it is 5/16 by 3/8 and that makes the fit too tight and it will not squish down any.
They also told me that they use E6800 sealer for areas like the joint between the clam shells.
We put one together and clamped on the end of a drive shaft and, with a little grease, it does feel really good.
I have not yet installed my motor and transmission to be sure that this solution will work, but it sure looks better than the cork solution.
The number on the gasket is 20YST BUNA 5/16 gasket, $1.90 each.
These gaskets are used for quick coupling industrial hoses
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Old 01-23-2022, 09:54 AM   #9
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on the old style u-joint/ball cover there is an oiling gallery along the top edge of the old style flanges.
if it were i, unless the cross shaft is being used, i would seal those inside gallery's incase there is seepage.
but i have always change that housing for the newer style.
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I'm guessing this is an early one?
Used through Oct/Nov of '28.
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U-Joint Cover Gasket
I have been trying to figure out a better solution to the rectangular cork gasket that leaks at the back of the transmission in the clam shell that covers the U-Joint.
How about a big O-ring? They come in various thicknesses and diameters.
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Old 01-23-2022, 10:55 AM   #12
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I have looked, it needs to be 3 3/4 outside dimension and 5/16 thick. I have checked with two industrial pipe places and the square one is the only one I have found so far. See if you can find anything.
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Old 01-23-2022, 11:45 AM   #13
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Try an oilfield supply place.
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Old 01-23-2022, 11:48 AM   #14
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Old 01-24-2022, 01:46 PM   #15
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there are people who make and sell o ring style gaskets. I think it is an industrial
Bulk material and the ends are glued together. they are sold on eBay,or were.

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Old 01-24-2022, 04:27 PM   #16
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Folks, here is an o-ring seal kit for the u-joint/torque tube that works. It's ebay item number 251255228584..............
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Old 01-24-2022, 07:51 PM   #17
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Great, I just ordered 3. Thanks
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Old 01-25-2022, 09:21 AM   #18
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The original seal there was likely Felt originally. I'm not sure why they went to cork. The later Fords used felt up to 1948 but the cork is an ever present replacement. It's basically just a dust seal.
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Old 01-25-2022, 09:55 AM   #19
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My ball cap does not leak. I installed it with original gaskets and cork seal.
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Old 01-25-2022, 01:36 PM   #20
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Either there is something wrong with it or it must be dry!
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