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Old 01-03-2021, 11:26 AM   #1
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Default Black single stage paint.

Hello, Happy New Year, I hope everyone is staying healthy. I want to repaint my 36 coupe which is black. I want to stay with black because this will be a body on and I will be able to leave the firewall and door jams alone. I don't really like the look of the basecoat clearcoat on older cars. I would like to go with a single stage. I'm not sure if acrylic lacquer is still available here in NJ, but I have heard many good comments about single stage urethane. I know that black requires more work in preparing the surface for paint, but I am more concerned about picking the shade, some blacks look grayish, some brownish, I would want the darkest black possible if that makes sense. I appreciate any help in pointing me in the right direction. Thank you. Frank
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Old 01-03-2021, 11:38 AM   #2
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Default Re: Black single stage paint.

I only use single stage paint for the same reason you don't like base/clear. If you don't put clear over the single stage it doesn't have the "plastic" look of base/clear. I have had very good results using Tamco's black. Tammy (whos father ran a PPG business) now has the business and hence the name. I live on the west coast and I can get paint products from Tamco in 2 or 3 days at half the price of the local Westco company. Look them up online or call them.
I think Tamco is in NJ as you are.
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Old 01-03-2021, 11:43 AM   #3
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You could talk to someone at an automotive paint store. Most blacks are not actually black. It depends on the toners that are part of the formula. The paint guy could look up the formula and determine the blackest.
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Old 01-03-2021, 11:59 AM   #4
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PPG concept is the blackest you will find.A little pricey but if you want a quality job this is the best by far. Easy to paint ,easy to repair and easy to spot in if you get a stone chip. It is acrylic urethane paint.
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Old 01-03-2021, 12:16 PM   #5
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PPG concept is the blackest you will find.A little pricey but if you want a quality job this is the best by far. Easy to paint ,easy to repair and easy to spot in if you get a stone chip. It is acrylic urethane paint.
x2, although I'd only use it on chassis parts.
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Old 01-03-2021, 01:19 PM   #6
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Old 01-03-2021, 07:11 PM   #7
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I used PPG Delfleet Essential and am happy with it. It is a urethane single stage.
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Old 01-03-2021, 09:43 PM   #8
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While I don’t paint much I used to only use PPG concept 9300 for black. Every since I swapped to Tamco two years ago I haven’t looked back. Their black to me is as good as Concept but 1/3 the price. It is thick and will require a bit more reducer. DuPont is great as well and is a bit more user friendly for me anyways but expensive and harder to get here where I live.
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Old 01-04-2021, 07:14 AM   #9
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SPI located in Georgia, a father son business, some of the best products I have used and prices are good and customer service is second to none.
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Old 01-04-2021, 08:30 AM   #10
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It's not that black requires more prep work. It just shows flaws more. Technically you do not want flaws no matter what the color.
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Old 01-04-2021, 09:43 AM   #11
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Hello, Happy New Year, I hope everyone is staying healthy. I want to repaint my 36 coupe which is black. I want to stay with black because this will be a body on and I will be able to leave the firewall and door jams alone. I don't really like the look of the basecoat clearcoat on older cars. I would like to go with a single stage. I'm not sure if acrylic lacquer is still available here in NJ, but I have heard many good comments about single stage urethane. I know that black requires more work in preparing the surface for paint, but I am more concerned about picking the shade, some blacks look grayish, some brownish, I would want the darkest black possible if that makes sense. I appreciate any help in pointing me in the right direction. Thank you. Frank

Frank - My 35 Coupe was shot with old school Dupont Centari "Pitch Black" Acrylic Enamel 99A. Admittedly it is harder to get now as less popular - much discussions re outdated technology, environmental concerns etc. I've been very happy with the results.


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Old 01-04-2021, 10:05 AM   #12
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A little of topic, but the '40 coupe was painted black over my favorite color, cloud mist gray, probably with lacquer in the '60s. I never plan to repaint it as the some of the lacquer has crazed and shows it's age, which what I like. I am looking for a black that I could use to touch up some areas from time to time. Would the Tamco or other paint product be compatible with the ancient lacquer ?
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Old 01-04-2021, 10:16 AM   #13
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I have a friend who painted his truck in his back yard using Centari Pitch Black and it is stunning !!! Just say'n .......
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Old 01-04-2021, 10:57 AM   #14
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russcc, it is my belief that touching up old lacquer with enamel or urethane would be quite noticeable. If it were me I would find some black lacquer and correct thinner for that and try to blend it and then rub it out. My 2 cents.
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Old 01-04-2021, 01:11 PM   #15
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Default Re: Black single stage paint.

I used Centari Pitch Black with a hardener with excellent results. I intentionally did not clear coat or color sand and buff to approximate the original finish. I believe that it is still available in some areas under a different name.
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Old 01-04-2021, 02:50 PM   #16
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Mrlaser, what sweet "T"....just something about the coupe.
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Old 01-04-2021, 02:51 PM   #17
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Ooops..a sweet "T"
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Old 01-04-2021, 03:28 PM   #18
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Sweet tea is very popular here in Savannah and the South in general. Thanks.
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Old 01-04-2021, 07:18 PM   #19
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Anyone have an idea where you might find black lacquer I could use for paint touch up ?
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Old 01-04-2021, 07:40 PM   #20
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Frank - My 35 Coupe was shot with old school Dupont Centari "Pitch Black" Acrylic Enamel 99A. Admittedly it is harder to get now as less popular - much discussions re outdated technology, environmental concerns etc. I've been very happy with the results.


I liked the Centari. Don’t think you can get it now. Very durable.
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