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Bob C · 12-26-2018, 12:23 PM

I think a lot of your questions were answered in your July thread, check the link in the second post. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...starter+plates

Hyvolt · 12-26-2018, 12:38 PM

Images from my 8rt teardown last week.

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leon bee · 12-26-2018, 01:56 PM

Thanks everybody, Happy New Year!

V12Bill · 12-26-2018, 08:44 PM

I just noticed in the above pictures a spacer between the starter plate and the block. I have an 8BA
in my F1 and I don't have that plate. I do have a large open area above the starter plate which is for F1s, that I can see the back of the flywheel. Do I need that plate? Is it a truck part only? Feeble minds need to know.

GB SISSON · 12-26-2018, 11:56 PM

That rope seal must have been REALLY effective! Never seen such a clean gravel driveway! Great photos and info here, as I'm leaning in the 8ba direction into an older truck. I think I have all those parts. Thanks, I'll be watching.

leon bee · 12-27-2018, 02:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 4t8v8

I believe you will find you'll need a rear sump pan for an F1. The center sump pan was used on cars with independent suspension and it will hit the front axle on a F1. I had a lot of rear seal problems with mine and removed the lower bracket years ago as it was a
nuisance to work around. Never missed it.

I guess you recognize that transmission.

leon bee · 12-27-2018, 02:22 PM

So the only bolts off that pan bracket are the same bolts that go through the starter plate and into the bell housing? The whole deal is just to stiffen up the engine/trans unit?

I think I've got everything I'll need whichever way I go, with the exception of the truck pan. Maybe the oil pump suction tube is different for truck?

And I still don't understand the dust cover deal, looks like it's just filling up space.

4t8v8 · 12-27-2018, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leon bee

I guess you recognize that transmission.

Yup!

Ross F-1 · 12-27-2018, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V12Bill

I just noticed in the above pictures a spacer between the starter plate and the block. I have an 8BA
in my F1 and I don't have that plate. I do have a large open area above the starter plate which is for F1s, that I can see the back of the flywheel. Do I need that plate? Is it a truck part only? Feeble minds need to know.

Is this what you are asking about (below)? It's a "dust seal" for the small bit of crank exposed, but it is between the starter plate and oil pan. It is held in place by the two oil pan bolts that straddle the crank. AFAIK no one sells the rubber seals for them any more.

40cpe · 12-28-2018, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross F-1

AFAIK no one sells the rubber seals for them any more.

The Best (Best brand) gasket set I used a couple of year ago had that seal in it.

1927Tudor · 12-28-2018, 11:39 AM

The seals for the dust shield are available from Van Pelts, I received a set in November. The seals for the top of the flywheel cover are not.

Ross F-1 · 12-28-2018, 11:57 AM

Good to know, although since I'm running the Merc pan I don't use the dust shield.

I can't picture what you mean by "...the seals for the top of the flywheel cover", Tudor?

1927Tudor · 12-28-2018, 06:29 PM

The two seals numbered 6422 and 6423 (group numbers) in the picture below are no longer available that I’ve been able to determine. Seals 6424 and 6425 are the ones I was able to source from Van Pelt.

V12Bill · 12-29-2018, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross F-1

Is this what you are asking about (below)? It's a "dust seal" for the small bit of crank exposed, but it is between the starter plate and oil pan. It is held in place by the two oil pan bolts that straddle the crank. AFAIK no one sells the rubber seals for them any more.

That is the plate or dust seal that I am missing.

47 flatbed · 01-01-2019, 05:54 AM

Great info. I'm at the point to assemble transmission and engine

36coupe · 02-17-2022, 01:37 PM

I’m pulling up an old thread but can that oil pan be run without the dust seal ?

Tim Ayers · 02-17-2022, 01:56 PM

Curious why only the F-1 series of trucks used that dust shield. I'd assume it has something to do with the 11" clutch that was used.

tubman · 02-17-2022, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 36coupe

I’m pulling up an old thread but can that oil pan be run without the dust seal ?

Why would you want to do that? Is there some interference between parts? I have a couple of those floating around in my stash that I'll never use.

36coupe · 02-17-2022, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tubman

Why would you want to do that? Is there some interference between parts? I have a couple of those floating around in my stash that I'll never use.

Wondering if it was needed.
You are helping me out on the other thread.
I learn more stuff everyday about flatheads.
Thanks

Burt Lake Barn · 02-18-2022, 11:23 AM

I have a truck pan if you need 0ne. I tried to attach some photos but if they don’t come thru, Drop me an email and I’ll send some pictures.

12-26-2018, 12:23 PM	#21
Bob C Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: So Cal Posts: 8,751	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans I think a lot of your questions were answered in your July thread, check the link in the second post. https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showt...starter+plates

12-26-2018, 12:38 PM	#22
Hyvolt Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Warrenton Mo Posts: 29	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans Images from my 8rt teardown last week. Sent from my LG-LS993 using Tapatalk

12-26-2018, 01:56 PM	#23
leon bee Senior Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Arkansas Posts: 611	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans Thanks everybody, Happy New Year!

12-26-2018, 08:44 PM	#24
V12Bill Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mt. Holly,NJ Posts: 1,822	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans I just noticed in the above pictures a spacer between the starter plate and the block. I have an 8BA in my F1 and I don't have that plate. I do have a large open area above the starter plate which is for F1s, that I can see the back of the flywheel. Do I need that plate? Is it a truck part only? Feeble minds need to know.

12-26-2018, 11:56 PM	#25
GB SISSON Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Orcas Island Washington Posts: 4,929	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans That rope seal must have been REALLY effective! Never seen such a clean gravel driveway! Great photos and info here, as I'm leaning in the 8ba direction into an older truck. I think I have all those parts. Thanks, I'll be watching. __________________ Owner/Operator of 'Jailbar Ranch' on the side of Mt. Pickett. Current stable consists of 1946 1/2 ton pickup turned woodie wagon with FH V8, 1947 Tonner Pickup (red) mostly stock with exception of a cummins 6at turbo diesel, 1946 Tonner Pickup (green) with 226 cu in 6 cyl flathead, 1979 Toyota landcruiser wagon, completely encased in 1947 Ford Jailbar sheet metal. Ok, cornbinder rear fenders..... 'Rusty ol' floorboards, hot on their feet' (Alan Jackson)

12-27-2018, 02:22 PM	#27
leon bee Senior Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Arkansas Posts: 611	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans So the only bolts off that pan bracket are the same bolts that go through the starter plate and into the bell housing? The whole deal is just to stiffen up the engine/trans unit? I think I've got everything I'll need whichever way I go, with the exception of the truck pan. Maybe the oil pump suction tube is different for truck? And I still don't understand the dust cover deal, looks like it's just filling up space.

12-28-2018, 11:39 AM	#31
1927Tudor Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Somewhere in the woods AB Posts: 111	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans The seals for the dust shield are available from Van Pelts, I received a set in November. The seals for the top of the flywheel cover are not.

12-28-2018, 11:57 AM	#32
Ross F-1 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NM Posts: 2,438	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans Good to know, although since I'm running the Merc pan I don't use the dust shield. I can't picture what you mean by "...the seals for the top of the flywheel cover", Tudor? __________________ '52 F-1, EAB flathead

01-01-2019, 05:54 AM	#35
47 flatbed Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 419	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans Great info. I'm at the point to assemble transmission and engine

02-17-2022, 01:37 PM	#36
36coupe Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Eastcoast Posts: 863	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans I’m pulling up an old thread but can that oil pan be run without the dust seal ?

02-17-2022, 01:56 PM	#37
Tim Ayers Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 6,179	Re: Question About 8BA Truck Oil Pans Curious why only the F-1 series of trucks used that dust shield. I'd assume it has something to do with the 11" clutch that was used.