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Phil Gillespie · 09-09-2018, 03:25 AM

Have pulled the fuel pump and stand. It is missing the tube below the stand.
I understand this tube with baffles prevents oil blowing up through the vent and over firewall etc. As i have noted some oil in this area/
Am I correct? Where to get this tube/
Thanks Phil NZ

FortyNiner · 09-09-2018, 05:53 AM

You need the fuel pump push rod. There are two different versions depending on the type of intake. As they are a wear item, best to buy new. Available from Dennis Carpenter, Speedway, and others. The longer version (8.8 inches) is used on cast iron manifolds.

JWL · 09-09-2018, 07:17 AM

Ask Brian if he has that tube. I would give you one but it will cost a fortune to get it to you..

The pushrod is not the problem unless the umbrella is missing.

Tinker · 09-09-2018, 01:48 PM

If you find one. The way to stack it on the intake is... Stand gasket first, then the baffle, then the pump stand.

Pump stands have a recess in the bottom of the base that the baffle fits in. If the baffle is inserted into the intake first, then the pump stand gasket is placed over it. It can bend the stand "ears" slightly, because the gasket would not be totally flat.

Phil Gillespie · 09-09-2018, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWL

Ask Brian if he has that tube. I would give you one but it will cost a fortune to get it to you..

The pushrod is not the problem unless the umbrella is missing.

The pushrod is ok as the umbrella is there. Apprears to have had the contact surface to pump lever built up.
Thanks
Phil NZ

Phil Gillespie · 09-09-2018, 02:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FortyNiner

You need the fuel pump push rod. There are two different versions depending on the type of intake. As they are a wear item, best to buy new. Available from Dennis Carpenter, Speedway, and others. The longer version (8.8 inches) is used on cast iron manifolds.

I have the push rod. Its the short tube which fits into the underside of the fuel pump stand that i am asking about. On the pump i took off it is missing.
And wanted to get a replacement and also to confirm the reason it is fitted and its use.
Phil NZ

Tinker · 09-09-2018, 02:50 PM

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47731

Phil Gillespie · 09-09-2018, 04:52 PM

Tis is the full description as per Van Pelts site:
48-6756-B. Tube assembly( Oil pan ventilation under fuel pump stand) 4.02" long for aluminium manifold.

What effect does it have during running of the engine if this is not in place? ie not fitted?
Engine has been running without this tube. Any ideas please?
Phil NZ

Tinker · 09-09-2018, 10:09 PM

I'd think the baffle would be more important. Both for splash and ventilation. Someone probably knows better and will post. I have one but as jwl said shipping is not really great.

Check with some aussie guys, I'm sure you can locate one local.

Mart · 09-10-2018, 02:42 AM

There are two tubes. A larger diameter one, with baffles inside and a smaller one that goes down inside the middle of the baffled one. The baffle tube is important as it ensures the correct path for air flow through the engine. I can't think off the top of my head of the purpose of the inner tube, but it is all part of the same system.

It is important that the tubes are the right length one from a low riser manifold will go into a tall riser manifold but not meet the lower face of the valve chamber. It will be the same as if one wasn't fitted at all.

The baffles may help separate some oil out of any blowby but that would be it.

Mart.

Phil Gillespie · 09-10-2018, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mart

There are two tubes. A larger diameter one, with baffles inside and a smaller one that goes down inside the middle of the baffled one. The baffle tube is important as it ensures the correct path for air flow through the engine. I can't think off the top of my head of the purpose of the inner tube, but it is all part of the same system.

It is important that the tubes are the right length one from a low riser manifold will go into a tall riser manifold but not meet the lower face of the valve chamber. It will be the same as if one wasn't fitted at all.

The baffles may help separate some oil out of any blowby but that would be it.

Mart.

Thanks Mart for your details. The main item as you state is the outter piece containing the baffles but the inner tube mus also contribute in some way otherwise it would not be there/
Phil NZ

Phil Gillespie · 09-10-2018, 03:26 AM

How about this. The smaller inner tube redirects the vapor downwards then up through the inner area of the smaller diameter tube then via the vent. This path would possibly further reduce carried oil vapor via the flow path created. My personal observations.
As in use without this smaller dia tube i can observe some oil vapor on firewall and adjacent areas.
Phil NZ
Phil NZ

Kube · 09-10-2018, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Gillespie

How about this. The smaller inner tube redirects the vapor downwards then up through the inner area of the smaller diameter tube then via the vent. This path would possibly further reduce carried oil vapor via the flow path created. My personal observations.
As in use without this smaller dia tube i can observe some oil vapor on firewall and adjacent areas.
Phil NZ
Phil NZ

Phil,
I'll send you whatever you need for the cost of the actual shipping. It won't be that much. I've shipped dozens of packages to New Zealand and as long as they stay first class, the cost is reasonable. Anything over 4# gets crazy.

Brian · 09-10-2018, 09:52 PM

JWL has given great advice in post #3....why don't you follow it? Brian

09-09-2018, 03:25 AM	#1
Phil Gillespie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Christchurch New Zealand Posts: 1,611	59a Fuel Pump Stand Tube Have pulled the fuel pump and stand. It is missing the tube below the stand. I understand this tube with baffles prevents oil blowing up through the vent and over firewall etc. As i have noted some oil in this area/ Am I correct? Where to get this tube/ Thanks Phil NZ

09-09-2018, 05:53 AM	#2
FortyNiner Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: u-rah-rah-Wisconsin Posts: 1,136	Re: 59a Fuel Pump Stand Tube You need the fuel pump push rod. There are two different versions depending on the type of intake. As they are a wear item, best to buy new. Available from Dennis Carpenter, Speedway, and others. The longer version (8.8 inches) is used on cast iron manifolds. __________________ 19 and 49 F1 - jes' like Henry II built 1946 Deluxe - as Henry built it

09-09-2018, 01:48 PM	#4
Tinker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MN Posts: 7,053	Re: 59a Fuel Pump Stand Tube If you find one. The way to stack it on the intake is... Stand gasket first, then the baffle, then the pump stand. Pump stands have a recess in the bottom of the base that the baffle fits in. If the baffle is inserted into the intake first, then the pump stand gasket is placed over it. It can bend the stand "ears" slightly, because the gasket would not be totally flat.

09-09-2018, 02:50 PM	#7
Tinker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MN Posts: 7,053	Re: 59a Fuel Pump Stand Tube https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47731

09-09-2018, 04:52 PM	#8
Phil Gillespie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Christchurch New Zealand Posts: 1,611	Re: 59a Fuel Pump Stand Tube Tis is the full description as per Van Pelts site: 48-6756-B. Tube assembly( Oil pan ventilation under fuel pump stand) 4.02" long for aluminium manifold. What effect does it have during running of the engine if this is not in place? ie not fitted? Engine has been running without this tube. Any ideas please? Phil NZ

09-09-2018, 07:17 AM	#3
JWL Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Fitzgerald, Georgia Posts: 2,204	Re: 59a Fuel Pump Stand Tube Ask Brian if he has that tube. I would give you one but it will cost a fortune to get it to you.. The pushrod is not the problem unless the umbrella is missing.

09-09-2018, 10:09 PM	#9
Tinker Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: MN Posts: 7,053	Re: 59a Fuel Pump Stand Tube I'd think the baffle would be more important. Both for splash and ventilation. Someone probably knows better and will post. I have one but as jwl said shipping is not really great. Check with some aussie guys, I'm sure you can locate one local.

09-10-2018, 02:42 AM	#10
Mart Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Solihull, England. Posts: 8,749	Re: 59a Fuel Pump Stand Tube There are two tubes. A larger diameter one, with baffles inside and a smaller one that goes down inside the middle of the baffled one. The baffle tube is important as it ensures the correct path for air flow through the engine. I can't think off the top of my head of the purpose of the inner tube, but it is all part of the same system. It is important that the tubes are the right length one from a low riser manifold will go into a tall riser manifold but not meet the lower face of the valve chamber. It will be the same as if one wasn't fitted at all. The baffles may help separate some oil out of any blowby but that would be it. Mart.

09-10-2018, 03:26 AM	#12
Phil Gillespie Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Christchurch New Zealand Posts: 1,611	Re: 59a Fuel Pump Stand Tube How about this. The smaller inner tube redirects the vapor downwards then up through the inner area of the smaller diameter tube then via the vent. This path would possibly further reduce carried oil vapor via the flow path created. My personal observations. As in use without this smaller dia tube i can observe some oil vapor on firewall and adjacent areas. Phil NZ Phil NZ

09-10-2018, 09:52 PM	#14
Brian Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Masterton, New Zealand Posts: 3,832	Re: 59a Fuel Pump Stand Tube JWL has given great advice in post #3....why don't you follow it? Brian __________________ Unfortunately, two half wits don't make a whole wit!