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KULTULZ · 10-17-2018, 04:53 PM

The number is an ENGINEERING PN and will give the correct SERVICE PN via cataloging to where he can find either a NOS or correct take-off. As long as both 302's are of the same vintage and nothing drastic has been done (say different oil pan), then yes that would help. But you still would want to confirm reading with a fresh service just to make sure.

Why the builder did not use the FORD dipstick is the question.

Ford56 · 10-17-2018, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KULTULZ

If you know what the engine came out of (year - model), you can find the PN in the MPC. Usually the catalog will also give you the engineering part number and that will allow you to walk a yard and possibly find the correct stick and tube.

The 302 came from a 1972 Grand Turino. The previous owner chromed up the alternator and a few other small items, so, I'm assuming he liked a chrome dipstick too.

Ford56 · 10-17-2018, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteek29

Are you a club member? Find another similar Ford and compare dipsticks?

There is a guy who has another '56 that I occasionally see at Cars & Coffee. I'll ask him to show me his next time I see him.

KULTULZ · 10-17-2018, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ford56

The 302 came from a 1972 Grand Turino. The previous owner chromed up the alternator and a few other small items, so, I'm assuming he liked a chrome dipstick too.

So the 302 is front sump?

I don't have the 65/72 MPC any longer ...

... but that is how you would find the correct stick/tube or just happen on the same install (say 72-74) in a junkyard.

Ford56 · 10-17-2018, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 50fordcoupeman

Hi '56.........my avatar has a '77 302 in it. My dipstick is 31" long (no laughing guys) and it is 2 and 3/8" from the bottom of the stick to the full mark. The dipstick tube is 19 and 1/2" long as close as I can measure it. I run 6 qts. with filter change to bring it to the full mark. Hope this helps!

Your engine is close to mine, a 1972 Grand Turino. Tomorrow I'll measure what I've got and compare to yours. But, I'm pretty sure I've got a replacement, chromed one; although, from what I remember, it did say either Ford, or FMOCO, on it. I'll have to look again tomorrow. Thanks for the measurements.

dmsfrr · 10-17-2018, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KULTULZ

. . . Why the builder did not use the FORD dipstick is the question.

They may not have had the original, been in a hurry and used whatever was handy.

The dipstick tube I found on my y-block was cut down from something else and 'almost' fit.
The dipstick itself was from something a few decades newer. It didn't read right either...

KULTULZ · 10-17-2018, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dmsfrr

They may have been in a hurry and used whatever was handy.

No, it is called eye candy and disregarding proper assembly/repair.

Ford56 · 10-17-2018, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KULTULZ

No, it is called eye candy and disregarding proper assembly/repair.

Yup, I definitely see some 'eye candy' on the car that the previous owner seemed to like as personal preference, but, I wouldn't have gone that way. Oh well, I'll probably just keep it like this...... too much trouble to switch stuff around, especially since it doesn't bother me at all.

Ford56 · 10-18-2018, 04:07 PM

Took it out today for about 21 miles. The oil pressure, when I remembered to look, seemed fine. There was no oil spots on the cardboard I've got under the engine from overnight. I'll get a replacement dipstick somewhere, one of these days. In the meantime, I know there are 5 quarts in there, so, I'm going not obsess over it. I'll keep you all posted. Thanks for all the answers and suggestions.

Ford56 · 10-19-2018, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 50fordcoupeman

Hi '56.........my avatar has a '77 302 in it. My dipstick is 31" long (no laughing guys) and it is 2 and 3/8" from the bottom of the stick to the full mark. The dipstick tube is 19 and 1/2" long as close as I can measure it. I run 6 qts. with filter change to bring it to the full mark. Hope this helps!

Was able to measure my dipstick, etc. and my measurements are way different than for your '72 302:
Dipstick is 20 and 1/2 inches long; yours is 31
1 & 7/8ths inches from bottom to full mark;and 2 1/4 to max; yours is 2 and 3/8
Tube is 11 inches; yours is 19 1/2 inches.
So, there you have it. This shiny chrome dipstick says "Use only SE or SF Engine oil Check oil this side up Ford Motorsport"

When I place the dipstick right next to the tube, on the outside, it seems to go all the way to the bottom of the pan, so, I just don't get it. Why doesn't is show oil on the dipstick?

Something is wrong, but, I don't know what it is.

Herman Munster · 10-19-2018, 01:52 PM

Try using a clean piece of rigid wire that's long enough to reach the bottom of the pan then compare it to your dipstick.

50fordcoupeman · 10-19-2018, 03:38 PM

Agree with Herman. Run something down there until you are sure it hits bottom and then compare to your chrome stick and to my measurements. You can use a different dipstick from your other vehicles too. I am thinking the tube and dipstick are the totally wrong set up. Good luck.

50fordcoupeman · 10-19-2018, 04:30 PM

56........... my dipstick has the following markings on it: Ford script followed by
E5TE-6750-CA M. Maybe dmsfrr or KULTULZ can help decipher what these mean and provide a clue for your mystery stick. See posts 21 and 24.

Ford56 · 10-19-2018, 04:31 PM

I'll give that a try (inserting a rigid wire) and compare it to the dipstick. At least I'll have an oil line on the wire, right? That'll give me an idea of where on the shiny chrome dipstick to look. Stay tuned. Will update tomorrow.

dmsfrr · 10-19-2018, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 50fordcoupeman

56........... my dipstick has the following markings on it: Ford script followed by
E5TE-6750-CA M. Maybe dmsfrr or KULTULZ can help decipher what these mean and provide a clue for your mystery stick. ...

Here's a start on it...
"E5TE"
E = 1980's
5 = fifth year = 1985
T = Truck
E = Engine part

From this link...
http://www.fordification.com/tech/pa...s_overview.htm

50fordcoupeman · 10-19-2018, 07:04 PM

Wow dmsfrr!! Thanks but now I have a mystery also. The number behind my starter indicates the engine is a 1977. Maybe all this shows is I have a variety of parts on this but all I really know is how well it has run since I have had it. Ha ha!!

CrownVic55 · 10-19-2018, 08:48 PM

Doing the math on your dimensions and 50Ford it looks like his dipstick is 1 1/2 inches further into the oil pan than yours. That could be why you don't show any oil on the stick.
Ben

dmsfrr · 10-20-2018, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 50fordcoupeman

. . . Maybe all this shows is I have a variety of parts on this . . .

I'd think this is very normal on a resto-mod.
When taking significant parts of a driveline and putting them into a vehicle they were never designed to fit in there's going to be a lot of 'What can I use to make this work?'. Using different brackets, optional parts from other years, aftermarket pieces, etc. etc. so it all fits under the hood and looks good, to the satisfaction of the builder is just part of the process.

Almost an example:
My '55 retirement project is fairly close to original, Y-block powered not a resto-mod, but it's had misc. oem engine parts from at least three different models and five different years, from 2 different decades, under the hood.
.

KULTULZ · 10-20-2018, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 50fordcoupeman

56........... my dipstick has the following markings on it: Ford script followed by E5TE-6750-CA M.

Maybe dmsfrr or KULTULZ can help decipher what these mean and provide a clue for your mystery stick. See posts 21 and 24.

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Originally Posted by dmsfrr

Here's a start on it...

"E5TE"

E = 1980's
5 = fifth year = 1985
T = Truck
E = Engine part

From this link...

http://www.fordification.com/tech/pa...s_overview.htm

Correct. This is the number you would be looking for in a junk yard or possibly EvilBay if correct for the application. The trouble is how many period(s) 302/5.0L engines did he source from?

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This shiny chrome dipstick says "Use only SE or SF Engine oil Check oil this side up 'Ford Motorsport' "

This is a dress-up accessory from FORD. It sounds like the guy picked the wrong part.

50fordcoupeman · 10-20-2018, 02:05 AM

KULTULZ and dmsfrr..........thank you both for the info!! Hope this didnt sidetrack 56's request for help-I did not mean for it to hijack his thread.

56........guess this really means are there a dump truck load of interchangeable 302 parts and we both seem to have some. Good luck as I am sure you will figure this out!!!

10-17-2018, 04:53 PM	#21
KULTULZ Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: IN A 'GALAXIE' FAR FAR AWAY Posts: 6,466	Re: An oil dipstick dilemma The number is an ENGINEERING PN and will give the correct SERVICE PN via cataloging to where he can find either a NOS or correct take-off. As long as both 302's are of the same vintage and nothing drastic has been done (say different oil pan), then yes that would help. But you still would want to confirm reading with a fresh service just to make sure. Why the builder did not use the FORD dipstick is the question. __________________ *** - WHY IS IT ... - ... that everything you buy in the grocery store is either wrapped in or contained in plastic but the government doesn't want you to carry it out in a plastic bag? WONDERING IN W(BY GOD)V ... DIAGNOSED CDO** - (OCD In Correct Alphabetical Order)

10-18-2018, 04:07 PM	#29
Ford56 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 159	Re: An oil dipstick dilemma Took it out today for about 21 miles. The oil pressure, when I remembered to look, seemed fine. There was no oil spots on the cardboard I've got under the engine from overnight. I'll get a replacement dipstick somewhere, one of these days. In the meantime, I know there are 5 quarts in there, so, I'm going not obsess over it. I'll keep you all posted. Thanks for all the answers and suggestions.

10-19-2018, 01:52 PM	#31
Herman Munster Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: SW WA state. Posts: 564	Re: An oil dipstick dilemma Try using a clean piece of rigid wire that's long enough to reach the bottom of the pan then compare it to your dipstick. __________________ 1956 Ford Fairlane Town Sedan 292 V8 with Ford-o-Matic

10-19-2018, 03:38 PM	#32
50fordcoupeman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: LaGrande Oregon Posts: 865	Re: An oil dipstick dilemma Agree with Herman. Run something down there until you are sure it hits bottom and then compare to your chrome stick and to my measurements. You can use a different dipstick from your other vehicles too. I am thinking the tube and dipstick are the totally wrong set up. Good luck.

10-19-2018, 04:30 PM	#33
50fordcoupeman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: LaGrande Oregon Posts: 865	Re: An oil dipstick dilemma 56........... my dipstick has the following markings on it: Ford script followed by E5TE-6750-CA M. Maybe dmsfrr or KULTULZ can help decipher what these mean and provide a clue for your mystery stick. See posts 21 and 24.

10-19-2018, 04:31 PM	#34
Ford56 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 159	Re: An oil dipstick dilemma I'll give that a try (inserting a rigid wire) and compare it to the dipstick. At least I'll have an oil line on the wire, right? That'll give me an idea of where on the shiny chrome dipstick to look. Stay tuned. Will update tomorrow.

10-19-2018, 07:04 PM	#36
50fordcoupeman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: LaGrande Oregon Posts: 865	Re: An oil dipstick dilemma Wow dmsfrr!! Thanks but now I have a mystery also. The number behind my starter indicates the engine is a 1977. Maybe all this shows is I have a variety of parts on this but all I really know is how well it has run since I have had it. Ha ha!!

10-19-2018, 08:48 PM	#37
CrownVic55 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Collinsville, OK Posts: 171	Re: An oil dipstick dilemma Doing the math on your dimensions and 50Ford it looks like his dipstick is 1 1/2 inches further into the oil pan than yours. That could be why you don't show any oil on the stick. Ben

10-20-2018, 02:05 AM	#40
50fordcoupeman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: LaGrande Oregon Posts: 865	Re: An oil dipstick dilemma KULTULZ and dmsfrr..........thank you both for the info!! Hope this didnt sidetrack 56's request for help-I did not mean for it to hijack his thread. 56........guess this really means are there a dump truck load of interchangeable 302 parts and we both seem to have some. Good luck as I am sure you will figure this out!!!